Anyone else tired of the police-hate threads

[JustOneWay]

I think its stupid. Most cops aren't killers who open fire instantly. They are people with families, lives...etc. They are people that when they have no choice but to shoot, usually go see a psych after because of the trauma of it. I personally was disgusted by Beyonce at the Super Bowl dressed up as a blank panther in a song about hating cops. Mind you she DEMANDED a cop escort (cars) to the event and to the stage. Irony.

The song was not about hating cops.

You use a misunderstanding of a song to bash the artist.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

wrong thread lol nevermind me

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

The way to deal with good cops is the same way to deal with bad cops: say nothing other than your name. Don't argue. Make it clear that you're not a threat to their safety. Record everything. Comply with all lawful commands. If you think a command is unlawful, ask "are you ordering me to ...?", and if the answer is yes, obey the command. If you're arrested, call a lawyer as soon as possible and demand your right to call one.

What if the unlawful command is to allow yourself to be sexually assaulted?

 

[Kersh]

What if the unlawful command is to allow yourself to be sexually assaulted?

Obvious, and exceedingly rare, exception. Don't throw common sense out the window in order to follow generally applicable (99+% of the time) principles.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Obvious, and exceedingly rare, exception. Don't throw common sense out the window in order to follow generally applicable (99+% of the time) principles.

Rare yes, but I don't know that the solution is obvious? What does a person do in that situation to get out of it safely? The Holtzclaw case brings this scenario to mind.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think its stupid. Most cops aren't killers who open fire instantly.

Right, but the problem is that the system is often set up to protect those who do open fire instantly.

They are people with families, lives...etc. They are people that when they have no choice but to shoot, usually go see a psych after because of the trauma of it. I personally was disgusted by Beyonce at the Super Bowl dressed up as a blank panther in a song about hating cops. Mind you she DEMANDED a cop escort (cars) to the event and to the stage. Irony.

Lol what? That song had nothing to do with cops.

 

[Zoness]

I find it to be a rather patriotic civic duty for the population to audit the police, since it is clear that the police are not interested in policing themselves. Applying popular and political pressure has brought many nasty cases to the light that may have just went quietly to sleep. Generally I think its done more good than harm and while it has revealed some nasty fault lines in American socio-economics and politics, those lines were there before now.

Plus I want to know why the police are using stingrays (celltower simulators) as a form of warrant-less surveillance. I want to know why they keep obfuscating claims made against them. Police have an incredible amount of power, its only natural to want to fight against its abuse, especially since in the most basic sense they are the lowest level of the executive branch of government. I'm all about keeping our branches of government in check.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes, there are bad cops who sometimes do bad things. I hope they are all brought to justice.

Good. But that demonstrates why it is important for us, the public, to know about the bad deeds that are being done 'on our behalf'. The police are not above the law, or us; they are servants of the public, and answerable to the public.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Its lame that threads like this one want to bury all the bad the cops do for the sake of making them look like good guys. Some of them are good people, but the majority of them that i have seen are racist. My wife and i have never been in trouble and are law abiding citizens. But last year my wife was walking on the sidewalk with our baby and four police cars pulled up and harassed her cause they said she was "suspicious". Its not the first time this has happened, another time i was holding my wifes hand and were harassed by the police. I believe in protecting my own family and will never call a cop to handle my own business.

Now some cops are great people. But most aren't because power does currupt and the few bad apples are rotting the whole batch ( 1 corinthians 15:33). So i support that we should post the good and the bad on CF. But if your noticing more negative stories on police violence then there might be something wrong with the police and not the stories.

Exactly. I've encountered good cops, and a few bad ones in their day that have taken advantage of the fact someone didn't know their rights...

1) The first time I was ever pulled over it was for going through my own church's parking lot. Our church was at a corner and cars often cut through our parking lot to miss the light. Anyway, I had dropped off a friend at apartments across the street, then went into our church to give something to my youth minister, and then left via "cutting through". The cop saw me, and told me that's why he pulled me over. I explained him the story, he then said "Well, you also didn't come to a complete stop", which also wasn't true because I had to stop to wait on a couple cars to pass. He then tried to accuse me of car theft (I drove a fairly nice car for a high schooler), and then joyriding. Once he realized there were no holes in my story, he let me go without a warning, but I'll never forget how determined he was to get me on something.

2) Another time in high school, this cop pulled us over for speeding (he came out of a gas station), stopped behind us at a light, and then pulled us over as soon as the light turned green. He must have been thinking "There's four teenagers in a car at midnight, they must have something", and asked us to get out of the car. The ignorant teenagers we were, we did. He searched my friends car and naturally found nothing, then let us go.

3) My friend was also pulled over around 11 PM for changing lanes without a signal. The cop basically asked him where he was headed, shined his flashlight around the car, and then let him go, never even mentioning the signal change after he first went up to his window.

4) Another friend of mine was pulled over for speeding, and he actually was. He did everything right, and the cop asked him to get out of the car while she searched his car.

We're all white, and all of that happened in a middle class, white-dominated suburb.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

I think its stupid. Most cops aren't killers who open fire instantly. They are people with families, lives...etc.

SO were the people who were gunned down. At least the cop gets to go home and has a disgustingly deep network to cover any wrong doing.

They are people that when they have no choice but to shoot,

Like John Crawford? The guy who was killed in a Walmart while carrying a BB gun they sell at Walmart?

usually go see a psych after because of the trauma of it.

I've heard tapes of cops laughing after a shooting so I don't buy it 100%.

I personally was disgusted by Beyonce at the Super Bowl dressed up as a blank panther in a song about hating cops.

She said nothing about hating cops where do you get your news from, Fox?

Mind you she DEMANDED a cop escort (cars) to the event and to the stage. Irony.

The song wasn't about hating cops. Unless "Hot sauce in my bag, swag" is code for "kill those pigs" or something (let me confirm for you that it isn't) The song was definitely more of an anthem/rally cry

 

[Sistrin]

It would be lame if Independent police auditing were normal.

Normal by whose definition of the term? Judging from the tone of your post normal would be defined as the cops are always found guilty of whatever charge made.

It would be lame if police didn't have the monopoly on violence...

Monopoly on violence? I suggest you spend a bit of time researching the history of the Black Panther Movement. Or for something more current the recent events in Baltimore:

Baltimore rioters attack police

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04/27/baltimore-protests-unrest.cnn

In Baltimore the rioters made a point to go to Camden Yards and the surrounding area and attack people there:

Note the Black Panther flag which appears during the violence shown here:

Your claim is disingenuous.

...or if as someone would police the police besides themselves.

Today anyone with a cell-phone can police the police.

It wouldn't get as much traction if their actions in aggregate were not the result of class war.

Class war. That must explain the black police officers on trial for the alleged murder of Freddie Gray.

Admit you have a self righteous knot of your own, just a little.

You first.

 

[MerlinJ]

Yeah, dismissing the experience of millions of black Americans, which we get a glimpse of every couple of days when the media reveals that yet another has been abused or killed by cops, is exhausting.

Poor you, having to read about those uppity blacks and their "civil rights." That's the real injustice here.

 

[The Cadet]

You know, just to contextualize some of this, I feel the need to point out "The Talk". You've all heard of the sex talk, the drugs talk, maybe a few other such talks... Did you get the "police" talk? What was it like? For African-Americans, this is an important one. You can hear such stories everywhere you look. These people teach their children to be afraid of the police, because they have to - because the alternative often ends up being dead children. This is not something they want to do. This is something they do because they know their children will not be treated the same way white children will by the police, and this disparity will only grow as the child grows older. These are the talks they give because otherwise, or even in spite of it, their child might end up being the next Freddy Gray or Tamir Rice. Even the wealthy and powerful must give this talk to their children. Gawker has collected several statements, here are some excerpts I found particularly interesting:

No sugarcoating. There it was. "Look, stay away from cops. They are not your friends. You answer their questions if they ask you with 'yes sir' and 'no ma'am' unless it is incriminating, then you exercise your right to be silent. Don't talk back, don't even slouch, pull up your pants. Be polite, no sudden movements. Don't give him a reason because these cops will shoot you and not think twice about it." She used choice other words, but that was it. All our suspicions, fears about police vocalized by the smartest person we knew.

[...]

I have a 24-year-old son. I have given him the talk. He has been with me when the police stopped me, primarily because the police recklessly eyeballed my son, and didn't see me—the little old lady—driving the car. So he knows the drill. Ask the police before you reach for your license. Ask the police for permission to get your insurance card and registration out the glove box. Do not answer any questions. Just do as you are told.

Once my son and I were getting out the car at the shopping mall, the police approached him and asked him: "Did you just leave the mall?" I intervened. I instructed my son to "never, ever answer a question from the police." Ask the police: "Am I free to go?" Do not answer any questions. Be polite. Be cordial. But never answer any questions. Keep asking: "Am I free to go?" "Am I under arrest?" "What are the charges?" "May I make a phone call?" However, do not move suddenly. Do not get smart-alecky. Do not run. If the police start swinging, drop to the ground, protect your head and vital organs by curling up in a ball on your knees.

[...]

I've been given this talk many times by many people. Don't be aggressive. Police usually work in groups of two: If you see one, assume there is one you cannot see. Nine times out of ten, people will believe the police over believing you. If a cop hits you, don't fight back: Hope that someone will notice and say something. Never match outfits: More than three men dressed in the same color equals a gang.

When I was younger, I listened, but I didn't think it applied to me. My eyes weren't opened until I was older; I was stopped numerous times in high school. I played the French horn, and was once pulled off the train by a cop who thought it was a bomb or that I was smuggling drugs or weapons.
​

I never got the talk. I'm white.

Is this justified? By almost every metric I've seen, the police disproportionately abuse minorities. From marijuana arrests (whites and blacks smoke at the same rates, but whites don't go to prison for it nearly as often) to stop and frisk, where a whopping 83% of those stopped were black or hispanic (they make up a combined 50% of the population), to traffic stops and searches, to lethal force.

Maybe, just maybe, all this "hate" will be enough for the good cops to break the blue wall of silence and cast out the perpetrators from their midst. Maybe it will be enough for police departments to straighten up and not hire guys who were previously thrown out of other police departments for psychological breakdowns and dismal performance!

So yeah. Just a little context for the next time you seem frustrated that people are hating on the police. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't that we're super mean and unreasonable to the police force, but rather that there are serious problems within the police force and not nearly enough is being done to address them. Maybe it's slightly more of a problem that a solid quarter of African-Americans have little to no trust for the police, that "Driving While Black" is a thing, that "Walking While Black" is a thing, and that African-Americans would be downright irresponsible if they didn't teach their sons that, in the eyes of the police, they have two strikes against them just for being black men.

 

[Sistrin]

The song was not about hating cops.

You use a misunderstanding of a song to bash the artist.

You obviously haven't seen the music video. Here is one image from it I can post:

Social media is slobbering all over the song as if it were a lost Beethoven symphony. Technically it qualifies as music, but it is more a political statement promoting the current leftist race-hustling agenda that the police are gunning down poor black people just because they are black sung by a woman wearing a hundred-thousand dollars worth of costume and jewelry.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Normal by whose definition of the term? Judging from the tone of your post normal would be defined as the cops are always found guilty of whatever charge made.



Monopoly on violence? I suggest you spend a bit of time researching the history of the Black Panther Movement. Or for something more current the recent events in Baltimore:

Baltimore rioters attack police

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04/27/baltimore-protests-unrest.cnn

In Baltimore the rioters made a point to go to Camden Yards and the surrounding area and attack people there:

Note the Black Panther flag which appears during the violence shown here:

Your claim is disingenuous.



Today anyone with a cell-phone can police the police.



Class war. That must explain the black police officers on trial for the alleged murder of Freddie Gray.



You first.

Those people seem angry.

I'm sure you can understand (without condoning their actions) their frustration with a government and system that seemingly does nothing about what they see as a very serious problem for their community. Right?

 

[Kersh]

You know, just to contextualize some of this, I feel the need to point out "The Talk". You've all heard of the sex talk, the drugs talk, maybe a few other such talks... Did you get the "police" talk? What was it like? For African-Americans, this is an important one. You can hear such stories everywhere you look. These people teach their children to be afraid of the police, because they have to - because the alternative often ends up being dead children. This is not something they want to do. This is something they do because they know their children will not be treated the same way white children will by the police, and this disparity will only grow as the child grows older. These are the talks they give because otherwise, or even in spite of it, their child might end up being the next Freddy Gray or Tamir Rice. Even the wealthy and powerful must give this talk to their children. Gawker has collected several statements, here are some excerpts I found particularly interesting:

No sugarcoating. There it was. "Look, stay away from cops. They are not your friends. You answer their questions if they ask you with 'yes sir' and 'no ma'am' unless it is incriminating, then you exercise your right to be silent. Don't talk back, don't even slouch, pull up your pants. Be polite, no sudden movements. Don't give him a reason because these cops will shoot you and not think twice about it." She used choice other words, but that was it. All our suspicions, fears about police vocalized by the smartest person we knew.

[...]

I have a 24-year-old son. I have given him the talk. He has been with me when the police stopped me, primarily because the police recklessly eyeballed my son, and didn't see me—the little old lady—driving the car. So he knows the drill. Ask the police before you reach for your license. Ask the police for permission to get your insurance card and registration out the glove box. Do not answer any questions. Just do as you are told.

Once my son and I were getting out the car at the shopping mall, the police approached him and asked him: "Did you just leave the mall?" I intervened. I instructed my son to "never, ever answer a question from the police." Ask the police: "Am I free to go?" Do not answer any questions. Be polite. Be cordial. But never answer any questions. Keep asking: "Am I free to go?" "Am I under arrest?" "What are the charges?" "May I make a phone call?" However, do not move suddenly. Do not get smart-alecky. Do not run. If the police start swinging, drop to the ground, protect your head and vital organs by curling up in a ball on your knees.

[...]

I've been given this talk many times by many people. Don't be aggressive. Police usually work in groups of two: If you see one, assume there is one you cannot see. Nine times out of ten, people will believe the police over believing you. If a cop hits you, don't fight back: Hope that someone will notice and say something. Never match outfits: More than three men dressed in the same color equals a gang.

When I was younger, I listened, but I didn't think it applied to me. My eyes weren't opened until I was older; I was stopped numerous times in high school. I played the French horn, and was once pulled off the train by a cop who thought it was a bomb or that I was smuggling drugs or weapons.
​

I never got the talk. I'm white.

Is this justified? By almost every metric I've seen, the police disproportionately abuse minorities. From marijuana arrests (whites and blacks smoke at the same rates, but whites don't go to prison for it nearly as often) to stop and frisk, where a whopping 83% of those stopped were black or hispanic (they make up a combined 50% of the population), to traffic stops and searches, to lethal force.

Maybe, just maybe, all this "hate" will be enough for the good cops to break the blue wall of silence and cast out the perpetrators from their midst. Maybe it will be enough for police departments to straighten up and not hire guys who were previously thrown out of other police departments for psychological breakdowns and dismal performance!

So yeah. Just a little context for the next time you seem frustrated that people are hating on the police. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't that we're super mean and unreasonable to the police force, but rather that there are serious problems within the police force and not nearly enough is being done to address them. Maybe it's slightly more of a problem that a solid quarter of African-Americans have little to no trust for the police, that "Driving While Black" is a thing, that "Walking While Black" is a thing, and that African-Americans would be downright irresponsible if they didn't teach their sons that, in the eyes of the police, they have two strikes against them just for being black men.

Unfortunately, my kids have had "the talk". Not quite the same as the one you describe, but I have told my kids that some police officers will make certain assumptions, wrongly, about them because of their race. But, I also teach them that, whether the cop is being fair or not, they should always treat the officer with the utmost of respect, and beyond pleasantries, they should ALWAYS exercise the right to remain silent. They should never argue and never behave in a way that could remotely be interpreted as threatening or assaulting the cop. Franky, this is just good advice for everyone to follow, albeit more poignant for people of color.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

You obviously haven't seen the music video. Here is one image from it I can post:

Social media is slobbering all over the song as if it were a lost Beethoven symphony. Technically it qualifies as music, but it is more a political statement promoting the current leftist race-hustling agenda that the police are gunning down poor black people just because they are black sung by a woman wearing a hundred-thousand dollars worth of costume and jewelry.

Just because you feel no connection to the message of the song doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[JustOneWay]

You obviously haven't seen the music video. Here is one image from it I can post:



Social media is slobbering all over the song as if it were a lost Beethoven symphony. Technically it qualifies as music, but it is more a political statement promoting the current leftist race-hustling agenda that the police are gunning down poor black people just because they are black sung by a woman wearing a hundred-thousand dollars worth of costume and jewelry.

I did watch the video, and it shows nothing about hating cops. I wonder how people can come to such bizarre conclusions? The only thing I can figure is some see black people using colorful metaphors and dancing, so they must be hating cops....

 

[Kersh]

Yeah, dismissing the experience of millions of black Americans, which we get a glimpse of every couple of days when the media reveals that yet another has been abused or killed by cops, is exhausting.

Poor you, having to read about those uppity blacks and their "civil rights." That's the real injustice here.

My concern is that people are dying, both police and civilians, because of the "us vs. them" narrative told by the media. I agree that some police abuse their power. But, I don't think the way the media is handling it is helping anyone.

 

[JustOneWay]

My concern is that people are dying, both police and civilians, because of the "us vs. them" narrative told by the media. I agree that some police abuse their power. But, I don't think the way the media is handling it is helping anyone.

Media?

How about all the protection for bad cops from the unions, other officers and local governments. That is why people are angry.

It is a 'us vs them' situation and 'them' have the power to get away with bad behavior.