ANTIFA preparing for violence

[rjs330]

An undercover video showed ANTIFA group preparing for violence. The group filmed proclaimed ANTIFA idioligy including anarchism and ending government and police. They view themselves as revolutionaries.

Undercover Videos Show Antifa Members’ Combat Training: Watchdog Undercover Videos Show Antifa Members' Combat Training: Watchdog

They talked about occupying a space and refusing to move. Choke holds and kidney punches were part if the training.

 

[Phronema]

An undercover video showed ANTIFA group preparing for violence. The group filmed proclaimed ANTIFA idioligy including anarchism and ending government and police. They view themselves as revolutionaries.

Undercover Videos Show Antifa Members’ Combat Training: Watchdog Undercover Videos Show Antifa Members' Combat Training: Watchdog

They talked about occupying a space and refusing to move. Choke holds and kidney punches were part if the training.

Well, it probably goes without saying, but insurrection is illegal in the US, and is NOT covered by their First Amendment Right as the protests rightfully were. For clarity I'm not saying that rioting, and looting is covered by the First Amendment. Peaceful assembly is though.

So, if they are in fact planning on something of that nature they can, and should expect to end up being fined, or imprisoned.

 

[pitabread]

Meh. From watching the video it doesn't look like anything different from the usual martial arts / self-defense training already offered at gyms all over the place.

 

[Mantishand]

A gun beats karate every time.
- Stan Smith

 

[All Englands Skies]

I think they may be reading the Structural-Anarchism Manifesto by Michel Luc Bellemare.

Some of the Clowns get interested in Syndicalism and obviously more specifically Anarcho-Syndicalism, but most of them are University educated wannabes who have never done a 12 hour + nightshift in their life as a working adult nor lived in a household as a child growing up with hardly any money coming in, yet they try and dictate how the world works, by their 30's they usually end up in some high paid job, turning into a Liberal, speaking about injustice while raking in the cash, using cheap foreign child minders and cleaners and even sometimes owning Businesses where they end up being just as selfish and slave driving as any other boss.

My mother used to clean for this family, who were all Liberal types, former so called "Revolutionaries" (they got onto the subject when my mother talked to them about growing up in the Socialist Yugoslavia/Kosovo) and they still were trying to say how much they cared about injustice, yet then on another occasion the woman said to my mother, "Well being poor, you have a lot less to worry about" when she was talking about some event that was happening in her life, completely closed off and clueless.

Oh how I yearn for a true workers movement.

 

[lasthero]

An undercover video showed ANTIFA group preparing for violence. The group filmed proclaimed ANTIFA idioligy including anarchism and ending government and police. They view themselves as revolutionaries.

Undercover Videos Show Antifa Members’ Combat Training: Watchdog Undercover Videos Show Antifa Members' Combat Training: Watchdog

They talked about occupying a space and refusing to move. Choke holds and kidney punches were part if the training.

Ignoring the silliness of trying to fight the police with chokeholds and kidney punches, is there a way to view this without downloading the app?

 

[FreeinChrist]

I see it is in The Epoch Times. That is a pro-Trump paper and promotes far right politicians in Europe, and promotes conspiracy theories. They are not allowed to advertise on Facebook or You Tube.

The Epoch Times - Wikipedia

On December 20, 2019, The New York Times reported, in "Facebook Discovers Fakes That Show Evolution of Disinformation", that Facebook had deleted "hundreds of accounts with ties to the Epoch Media Group, parent company of the Falun Gong-related publication and conservative news outlet The Epoch Times" using fake profile photos that had been generated using artificial intelligence. The Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Research Lab (DFRLab) director Graham Brookie stated that the coordinated network of fake accounts demonstrated "an eerie, tech-enabled future of disinformation". Facebook's head of security policy, Nathaniel Gleicher, said, "What’s new here is that this is purportedly a U.S.-based media company leveraging foreign actors posing as Americans to push political content. We’ve seen it a lot with state actors in the past."[81][54]
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I take the OP with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Caliban]

I see it is in The Epoch Times. That is a pro-Trump paper and promotes far right politicians in Europe, and promotes conspiracy theories. They are not allowed to advertise on Facebook or You Tube.

The Epoch Times - Wikipedia

On December 20, 2019, The New York Times reported, in "Facebook Discovers Fakes That Show Evolution of Disinformation", that Facebook had deleted "hundreds of accounts with ties to the Epoch Media Group, parent company of the Falun Gong-related publication and conservative news outlet The Epoch Times" using fake profile photos that had been generated using artificial intelligence. The Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Research Lab (DFRLab) director Graham Brookie stated that the coordinated network of fake accounts demonstrated "an eerie, tech-enabled future of disinformation". Facebook's head of security policy, Nathaniel Gleicher, said, "What’s new here is that this is purportedly a U.S.-based media company leveraging foreign actors posing as Americans to push political content. We’ve seen it a lot with state actors in the past."[81][54]
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I take the OP with a huge grain of salt.

Unfortunately, most adults can't distinguish reliable from unreliable sources.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Project Veritas is at it again...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ignoring the silliness of trying to fight the police with chokeholds and kidney punches,

Besides, chokeholds are police tactics -- ways to escape one would be useful self-defense fare.

Radicals have known this for decades:

"Let's face it, when it comes to trashing in the streets, our success is going to depend on our cunning and speed rather than our strength and power. Our side is all quarterbacks, and the pigs are nothing but linemen. They are clumsy, slobbish brutes that would be nothing without their guns, clubs, and toy whistles. When one grabs you for an arrest, you can with a little effort, make him let go. In the confusion of all the street action, you will then be able to manage your getaway." -- Abbie Hoffman, Steal This Book.

 

[KCfromNC]

Unfortunately, most adults can't distinguish reliable from unreliable sources.

I'm not sure that is evenly distributed. I find it more common in posts which are also predisposed to claim that things that disagree with preconceptions are fake.

 

[Albion]

Meh. From watching the video it doesn't look like anything different from the usual martial arts / self-defense training already offered at gyms all over the place.

Treat yourself to a fuller education on the subject. Here is a rundown of the training and the purposes behind that training as conducted by ANTIFA.
'We Can Prosecute These ___: How Antifa Trains and Mobilizes to Start Riots

 

[pitabread]

Treat yourself to a fuller education on the subject. Here is a rundown of the training and the purposes behind that training as conducted by ANTIFA.
'We Can Prosecute These ___: How Antifa Trains and Mobilizes to Start Riots

I'm not condoning advocating violence.

My point was that learning how to do choke holds or liver shots is something that is already taught at MMA gyms all over the place. There's nothing particularly novel about the training itself.

 

[Evan Jellicoe]

Allow me to insert this into the discussion:

ADL (Anti-Defamation League, a widely-respected organization that fights against antisemitism and racism) does in fact agree that antifa advocates violence, but they also say this:

Another concern is the misapplication of the label “antifa” to include all counter-protesters, rather than limiting it to those who proactively seek physical confrontations with their perceived fascist adversaries. It is critical to understand how antifa fit within the larger counter-protest efforts. Doing so allows law enforcement to focus their resources on the minority who engage in violence without curtailing the civil rights of the majority of peaceful individuals who just want their voices to be heard.

and then, just for comparison's sake, there is this, still from ADL:

That said, it is important to reject attempts to claim equivalence between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose. Antifa reject racism but use unacceptable tactics. White supremacists use even more extreme violence to spread their ideologies of hate, to intimidate ethnic minorities, and undermine democratic norms. Right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years; they have murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last ten years alone. To date, there have not been any known antifa-related murders.
Who Are Antifa?
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[rjs330]

Fomenting violence and anarchy is the goal of Antifa. They are not just a group that opposes white supremacists. They actively are seeking chaos.

White Guy Dressed In Black (Antifa Terrorist?) Caught On Camera Paying Young Black Kids To Do Their Dirty Work

They were caught spraying BLM on buildings and we're stopped by people actually protesting. Why were they doing that? They are antagonists.
https://texasscorecard.com/local/an...-for-looting-in-austin-amid-nationwide-riots/

No they may not be responsible for the rioting. But they are part of it and encourage it and provide fuel and fodder for it.

 

[lasthero]

Fomenting violence and anarchy is the goal of Antifa. They are not just a group that opposes white supremacists. They actively are seeking chaos.

White Guy Dressed In Black (Antifa Terrorist?) Caught On Camera Paying Young Black Kids To Do Their Dirty Work

They were caught spraying BLM on buildings and we're stopped by people actually protesting. Why were they doing that? They are antagonists.
Antifa Members Arrested for Looting in Austin Amid Nationwide Riots | Texas Scorecard

No they may not be responsible for the rioting. But they are part of it and encourage it and provide fuel and fodder for it.

How do you know that the people in these videos are antifa?

 

[Speedwell]

I think they may be reading the Structural-Anarchism Manifesto by Michel Luc Bellemare.

Some of the Clowns get interested in Syndicalism and obviously more specifically Anarcho-Syndicalism, but most of them are University educated wannabes who have never done a 12 hour + nightshift in their life as a working adult nor lived in a household as a child growing up with hardly any money coming in, yet they try and dictate how the world works, by their 30's they usually end up in some high paid job, turning into a Liberal, speaking about injustice while raking in the cash, using cheap foreign child minders and cleaners and even sometimes owning Businesses where they end up being just as selfish and slave driving as any other boss.

My mother used to clean for this family, who were all Liberal types, former so called "Revolutionaries" (they got onto the subject when my mother talked to them about growing up in the Socialist Yugoslavia/Kosovo) and they still were trying to say how much they cared about injustice, yet then on another occasion the woman said to my mother, "Well being poor, you have a lot less to worry about" when she was talking about some event that was happening in her life, completely closed off and clueless.

Oh how I yearn for a true workers movement.

Ever read any Eric Hoffer?

 

[TLK Valentine]

How do you know that the people in these videos are antifa?

Would Project Veritas lie?

 

[All Englands Skies]

Ever read any Eric Hoffer?

No I have not, but did a quick back ground check.

Might buy The True Believer now I have heard of it.

I have been reading Proposed Roads to Freedom by Bertrand Russell and What is Christian Socialism? by Rev W.D.P. Bliss.

Also started reading Zweites Buch (Hitler's so called "Second/Secret Book").

Also trying to re-read Mein Kampf and Hitler's Lies: An Answer To Hitler's Mein Kampf by Irene Harand side by side for direct Comparison ( I read them both in the past at different times, but really want to get the feel of directly relating Irene Harand's counter arguments by reading the specific parts of Mein Kampf she mentions)

On a side note, I really don't understand why Irene Harand's 1935 book is so over looked, to me its one of the most important pieces of Anti-Nazi writings in existence.