"Anti-church" - the sure way into doom

[LaraLara]

I am my own person and don't pretend to be able to speak for anyone else, whether they are atheist or not. I also understand personal psychology which drives each person's motivation to act in a certain way, is not something I have much control over. I am fascinated by it though, which is one of the main reason this site is intriguing to me. I don't care so much what people believe or don't believe, I am much more interested in how they are motivated to believe what they do and how they support their belief personally.

As you are not attacking me particular hard I will sufice myself with your reply. But I neverteless have the feeling that all the time spend here attacking me could have been better spend to go to the root of the problem which is the forum.

 

[bhsmte]

Your society takes attention of your child by making labelling obligatory. The question is would it realy harm the people to refrain form verbal agression or not? Is the harm they are doing in any line with the pleasure they derive from it?

Good that you mentioned the word victim. I am a victim I have been treated with the wrong meds for the wrong illness nearly dying from it because someone wanted to calm me because I was telling the truth about a crime he commited.

You understand that I will always fight for the mentally ill and against society.

What exactly do you mean, when you say you will always fight against society?

 

[bhsmte]

As you are not attacking me particular hard I will sufice myself with your reply. But I neverteless have the feeling that all the time spend here attacking me could have been better spend to go to the root of the problem which is the forum.

If you could rate from 1-10 (10 being the highest) at what level would you perceive that I am attacking you?

 

[LaraLara]

If you could rate from 1-10 (10 being the highest) at what level would you perceive that I am attacking you?

Let me first ask: would you find it good to get a low or high rating? I mean some people might be upset if they are not perceived as the ferocious Tiger ...

 

[bhsmte]

Let me first ask: would you find it good to get a low or high rating? I mean some people might be upset if they are not perceived as the ferocious Tiger ...

Nothing to do with what I want or don't want, everything to do with what your personal perception is. So, 1-10, at what level am I attacking you?

 

[Rajni]

Your society takes attention of your child by making labelling obligatory.

Correct. Which is far better than my society insisting that peanuts be banned outright so that no one can eat them.

The question is would it realy harm the people to refrain form verbal agression or not? Is the harm they are doing in any line with the pleasure they derive from it?

Verbal aggression says more about the aggressor than anything else. Offense is taken, not given. The reason so many struggle in this area is because they haven't learned this. Continuing to be misinformed regarding the psychological aspects of "offense" does nothing to help those who claim to be in need of help.

Good that you mentioned the word victim. I am a victim I have been treated with the wrong meds for the wrong illness nearly dying from it because someone wanted to calm me because I was telling the truth about a crime he commited.

I discovered that labeling myself a victim kept me stuck. Personally, I prefer growth; I don't prefer victimhood for myself, even on a secret level. I don't want to be enabled, I want to be empowered.

 

[Rajni]

Verbal aggression says more about the aggressor than anything else. Offense is taken, not given. The reason so many struggle in this area is because they haven't learned this. Continuing to be misinformed regarding the psychological aspects of "offense" does nothing to help those who claim to be in need of help.

In addition, if enough people come to realize that offense is taken rather than given, the urge to offend will die off on its own, and verbal aggression will go right along with it.

 

[tryintogrow]

Offense is not a cut-and-dry subject. It isn't entirely based on choosing to not be a victim.

Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God -- 1 Corinthians 10:32

If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. -- Matthew 18:15

But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck. -- Mark 9:42

It's not okay to be offensive and just tell the other person to get over it.

 

[LaraLara]

Nothing to do with what I want or don't want, everything to do with what your personal perception is. So, 1-10, at what level am I attacking you?

Sorry me again. It is sometimes difficult to understand what a person is or wants over internet. I was aggitated a bit because I came from an agressive discussion. Now that I understand you better I wont say you are agressive. But be a bit carefull with judging me, my strong humor can sometimes look agressive.

 

[bhsmte]

Sorry me again. It is sometimes difficult to understand what a person is or wants over internet. I was aggitated a bit because I came from an agressive discussion. Now that I understand you better I wont say you are agressive. But be a bit carefull with judging me, my strong humor can sometimes look agressive.

Ok, you are bothered by others being aggressive with you, but then are saying you can be perceived as being aggressive?

 

[LaraLara]

It's not okay to be offensive and just tell the other person to get over it.

Thanks for saving me. I did go to much into the details and overlooked the big picture.

Even science says that people have an automatic response to foul language.

 

[LaraLara]

Ok, you are bothered by others being aggressive with you, but then are saying you can be perceived as being aggressive?

I am TRAINING to make it more clear when I use humor. The difference is, I know it is a flaw of mine - the forum in question is proud on what it does. We can not be perfect but we should at least try to improve.

 

[SkyWriting]

Diversity of opinion and so on ...

That is not allowed there.

 

[Allandavid]

But you accept claims about where the universe comes from and what the soul is?

Ah, another mind reader...

How do you know what I do or do not accept...?

 

[Allandavid]

To not accept is to accept for yourself that you do not accept; circular logic, a serpent and his tail.

There is no disbelief in God until there is first a concept of God; the disbelief having no basis to form without the concept.

To me accept and belief are interchangeable to consciousness ...

Play with words all you like...the bottom line is that my position is not one of faith...

 

[LaraLara]

Ah, another mind reader...

How do you know what I do or do not accept...?

I do not know. That is why I put a question mark behind it. Please google question mark for a closer explanation of its meaning if you are usure. (manic humor)

 

[Aseyesee]

Play with words all you like...the bottom line is that my position is not one of faith...

Ditto

 

[Allandavid]

This is why there's not much point in debating/discussing matters of faith. There is no common ground. There is no consensus on what words mean. No matter how basic a moral principle may sound, there is always a way to wiggle around it. No matter how common-sense a statement may seem, it quickly unravels under a microscope. We can't get past first base because we disagree on where the field is.

Which is why it is important to establish what we mean when we use various terms...

 

[tryintogrow]

Which is why it is important to establish what we mean when we use various terms...

Go ahead and try, on this very thread, to establish a consensus on the meaning of faith. It will be more difficult than you anticipate.

 

[Allandavid]

Go ahead and try, on this very thread, to establish a consensus on the meaning of faith. It will be more difficult than you anticipate.

No, I didn't ask for a consensus. I said it is important that each of us establish what we mean when we use these terms. Your use of a word can have a different meaning to mine, but we have to make that clear to one another if sensible conversation is to take place.