Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[OldWiseGuy]

But there is no reason to do so if God wanted us to be truly distinct from all other forms of life. That we do share so many commonalities with other species, and indeed in a manner that fits perfectly with genetic inheritance, suggests differences of physical form really aren't that important in determining humanities "uniqueness".

We are very unique while sharing similar design features. Isn't it ironic that the species least able to survive not only survives but thrives, often at the expense of creatures better suited to survive.

 

[pitabread]

Day one, light. Day 4, sun. That doesn’t jive with evolution.

That depends on interpretation. Day 1 suggests something akin to the Big Bang; e.g. formation of the original universe which would have resulted in tremendous energy release (including light). We actually can detect remnants of this in the form of CMB.

Insofar as Day 4 goes, I've read a fascinating interpretation that suggests it represents the evolution of vision. Since prior to living things possessing vision, there would be no specific knowledge of things like the Sun, moon, stars, etc. Living things would have no way of seeing those objects.

 

[pitabread]

We are very unique while sharing similar design features. Isn't it ironic that the species least able to survive not only survives but thrives, often at the expense of creatures better suited to survive.

I read the above three times and it still doesn't make any sense.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I read the above three times and it still doesn't make any sense.

Animals have fur, teeth, claws, great strength; all the things we lack for survival. Many people have perished from starvation and exposure in places where animals thrive, while at the same time preserving their habitat. We only survive by laying waste to the very habitat that we need to survive. We survive and thrive at the expense of nearly everything else on, in, and above, the earth.

 

[pitabread]

Animals have fur, teeth, claws, great strength; all the things we lack for survival. Many people have perished from starvation and exposure in places where animals thrive.

Many animals have perished from starvation and exposure in places where animals thrive. What is your point?

Insofar as human survival goes, we compensate for lacking physical things with human invention, tool usages, etc. Such attributes has allowed us to colonize almost every location on the planet. And in some cases, we also have specific evolutionary traits that foster survival in different climates (e.g. darker skin in equatorial regions, light skin in northern regions).

It doesn't make sense to claim we are less able to survive when we have attributes that enable that very survival.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Many animals have perished from starvation and exposure in places where animals thrive. What is your point?

Insofar as human survival goes, we compensate for lacking physical things with human invention, tool usages, etc. Such attributes has allowed us to colonize almost every location on the planet. And in some cases, we also have specific evolutionary traits that foster survival in different climates (e.g. darker skin in equatorial regions, light skin in northern regions).

It doesn't make sense to claim we are less able to survive when we have attributes that enable that very survival.

The cockroaches will be here long after we're gone.

 

[pitabread]

The cockroaches will be here long after we're gone.

Sure and so will the tardigrades. Still not sure of your point?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Many animals have perished from starvation and exposure in places where animals thrive. What is your point?

Animal death from such is natural and usually necessary. We have a fit when the same mechanism happens to us, even though we are dangerously overpopulated.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sure and so will the tardigrades. Still not sure of your point?

That animals are better suited for survival than humans.

 

[pitabread]

That animals are better suited for survival than humans.

Some animals. Not all animals.

 

[pitabread]

Animal death from such is natural and usually necessary. We have a fit when the same mechanism happens to us.

Okay. And?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some animals. Not all animals.

Most were, until we screwed up their habitats.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That depends on interpretation. Day 1 suggests something akin to the Big Bang; e.g. formation of the original universe which would have resulted in tremendous energy release (including light). We actually can detect remnants of this in the form of CMB.

On day one God removed the 'darkness' that shrouded the earth to reveal the preexisting sun, moon, and stars. The cloud of darkness (ash and smoke?) was part of the destruction that occurred between verse 1 and verse 2.

Insofar as Day 4 goes, I've read a fascinating interpretation that suggests it represents the evolution of vision. Since prior to living things possessing vision, there would be no specific knowledge of things like the Sun, moon, stars, etc. Living things would have no way of seeing those objects.

On day four God appointed/ordained the sun and moon as keepers of time and seasons for the newly restored home for humans.

 

[pitabread]

Most were, until we screwed up their habitats.

There have been various extinction events throughout history, not all the result of humans.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There have been various extinction events throughout history, not all the result of humans.

See above post.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Animals have fur, teeth, claws, great strength; all the things we lack for survival. Many people have perished from starvation and exposure in places where animals thrive, while at the same time preserving their habitat. We only survive by laying waste to the very habitat that we need to survive. We survive and thrive at the expense of nearly everything else on, in, and above, the earth.

People also have fur, and teeth, and "claws", and great strength. Sure I can't hold my body weight with my claws dug into a tree like the squirrel in my yard, but I do have more overall strength (and probably more fur, it just doesn't look as thick because I am so large comparatively).

What humans are superbly good at is planning and coordinating. We plan not only our own actions, but coordinate with others of our species to prepare our future actions together. We are also supremely talented tool builders and once you can leverage one tool to build another things can really accelerate.

It is a mistake to think that humans are ill-adapted by thinking of the human stripped of clothing and tools (all byproducts of human ingenuity collected over the generations) and place them alone among the other animals, but away from their own kind. No human is truly independent of others.

 

[dlamberth]

Day one, light. Day 4, sun. That doesn’t jive with evolution.

That's not jiving with what the Universe itSelf is showing us.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

People also have fur, and teeth, and "claws", and great strength. Sure I can't hold my body weight with my claws dug into a tree like the squirrel in my yard, but I do have more overall strength (and probably more fur, it just doesn't look as thick because I am so large comparatively).

What humans are superbly good at is planning and coordinating. We plan not only our own actions, but coordinate with others of our species to prepare our future actions together. We are also supremely talented tool builders and once you can leverage one tool to build another things can really accelerate.

It is a mistake to think that humans are ill-adapted by thinking of the human stripped of clothing and tools (all byproducts of human ingenuity collected over the generations) and place them alone among the other animals, but away from their own kind. No human is truly independent of others.

We have hair, not fur. And it is useful for comfort, not protection from the elements (although a thick beard does keep yer face warm).

 

[Hans Blaster]

We have hair, not fur. And it is useful for comfort, not protection from the elements (although a thick beard does keep yer face warm).

Fur is just thick, longish hair. My scalp hair is as thick as any "animal fur" it also protects my scalp from the elements. As for the rest of my hair, I fail to see how it is for "comfort". (And quite the opposite when I get one stuck in my zipper.)

 

[dlamberth]

We are very unique while sharing similar design features. Isn't it ironic that the species least able to survive not only survives but thrives, often at the expense of creatures better suited to survive.

We evolved as a social animal. We depend upon a group setting for survival. Isolation, as we see today, causes all sorts of mental issues.