Do I believe that our groups should have their own separate forums, YES, I do. I've never denied that nor do I now. But for you to make that GIANT leap and proclaim that I TOLD you to leave this forum is being VERY dishonest and deceitful.
Not deceitful at all. You want us to leave. You were going to try to FORCE us to leave, saying that the few traditionals should decide whether there is a split. So were you or were you not trying to get us to leave? Obviously you were. It just didn't go your way.
NO!! I said the problem was that you are trying to gather the sheep unto yourself and disperse the flock.! I DIDN"T say the problem was you posting in the forum or 'discussing things'.
Ohhhhh.
I get it. You want me to discuss things but not to ever differ with you. If I do that then it is trying to gather sheep unto myself.
So let's get this straight. If you are not saying i should leave then I have your blessing to debate issues?
Yes, I did say "IF" you must leave. Notice that I didn't TELL you that you had to leave the forum. The 'leave' I was referring to was not the forum, but the church.
My own comments about your quote said it was in reference to the church.
And yes--I would prefer that you and your aggressive friends DID leave us trads alone and stop bashing our beliefs.
Ah there it is again. You want us to not bother you.
So again, do you or do you not want me debating in your forum? Not that it matters anyway because you don't control what I do. But I want to be clear that you have no problem with me doing that.
But if to say anything in here in the DEBATE forum that does not agree with you is "gathering sheep" unto myself, then you are indeed trying to say I should leave the debate area and not say anything that you don't want.
Also notice that I said 'why not go quietly and NOT TO TRY TO DESTROY THE FAITH OF OTHERS. I've noted that when Adventists decide to leave the church--they always seem compelled to do so in a grandiose manner and also seem to want to tell the WORLD why. This is what I meant by 'going quietly'.
Ohhhhh that is what you meant by that. You meant shut up and don't say anything about the church's wrong teachings. I don't know why I would interpret that to mean you don't want me debating in here.
So...do you or do you not want me debating in here?
NO TALL--I NEVER said that your coming into this forum was a PROBLEM. I SAID that your attempts to steal the sheep sure is though.
Also Tall--for the record, please post the thread where I "REJOICED" when you left the church. I think your attempt to demonize my comments is unprofessional and very un-Christ like.
http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40602309&postcount=152
Here again is your comment. You think it would be wonderful for me to go start my own church and all those like me so that you could be free from wasting your time--which of course you never wasted your time on me.
Now Honor, since you are not a sensitive soul and have no problem with being direct, do you want me to debate Adventist doctrine in here?
Again note that I have no intention of going by your wishes. But I think you should be clear since you are on the one hand saying I should go quietly and on the other saying you don't mean I should leave the forum--just not try to win sheep.
So does that mean you don't think I should debate in the debate forum?
And will you also pledge not to try to win sheep from the nominal churches? Will you not try to sway any one in denominations you were formerly in? Will you go quietly?
I think I'm beginning to see why you have gotten confused on doctrine. You read into sentences things that simply are not there.
I think I understand why you are settled on your doctrine. You won't even look at it and don't want anyone bringing it up that has a different view.