An Index of SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) Errors

[Root of Jesse]

Trust me, Root of Jesse has NO sense of humor......

To be sure, my faith is not a joking matter. I don't joke about anyone else's, they shouldn't make jokes about mine. Now when it comes to people and mannerisms, it's a different thing, but about our core values, better not.

 

[Dale]

Ellen White did far more than suggest that keeping a Saturday Sabbath and worshiping on Saturday was a nice gesture or a way of remembering Old Testament times. Take a look at these two quotes from her writing.



Incidentally, EW refers to the Sabbath commandment as “the fourth commandment,” which it is in Protestant Bibles. Roman Catholic Bibles number the commandments differently, so it isn't the fourth commandment for them. EW is unaware of this.



<< When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept, there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry. The fourth commandment has been trampled upon, therefore we are called upon to repair the breach in the law and plead for the desecrated Sabbath. The man of sin, who exalted himself above God, and thought to change times and laws, brought about the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week. In doing this he made a breach in the law of God. Just prior to the great day of God, a message is sent forth to warn the people to come back to their allegiance to the law of God, which antichrist has broken down. >>



Chapter 12, 2nd page

Ellen G. White (2010-12-05). Life Sketches of Ellen G. White (Kindle Locations 1109-1114). Copyright © 2010, Ellen G. White Estate, Inc.. Kindle Edition.





<< I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws. >>


Last page of same chapter.


These are very extreme statements, not justified by anything in the Bible.

 

[mmksparbud]

Ellen White did far more than suggest that keeping a Saturday Sabbath and worshiping on Saturday was a nice gesture or a way of remembering Old Testament times. Take a look at these two quotes from her writing.



Incidentally, EW refers to the Sabbath commandment as “the fourth commandment,” which it is in Protestant Bibles. Roman Catholic Bibles number the commandments differently, so it isn't the fourth commandment for them. EW is unaware of this.



<< When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept, there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry. The fourth commandment has been trampled upon, therefore we are called upon to repair the breach in the law and plead for the desecrated Sabbath. The man of sin, who exalted himself above God, and thought to change times and laws, brought about the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week. In doing this he made a breach in the law of God. Just prior to the great day of God, a message is sent forth to warn the people to come back to their allegiance to the law of God, which antichrist has broken down. >>



Chapter 12, 2nd page

Ellen G. White (2010-12-05). Life Sketches of Ellen G. White (Kindle Locations 1109-1114). Copyright © 2010, Ellen G. White Estate, Inc.. Kindle Edition.





<< I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws. >>


Last page of same chapter.


These are very extreme statements, not justified by anything in the Bible.

LOL! What makes you think she wasn't aware that Catholics number the 10 commandments differently? She simply did not go along with the change. What, in your opinion, is not biblical about what she said? That the Sabbath was laid down at the foundation of the world??

(Gen 2:2 JPS) And on the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
(Gen 2:3 JPS) And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which God in creating had made.
(Gen 2:4 JPS) These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

You call that extreme?!! We are not the only Sabbath keeping denomination--didn't you get the memo? There are 7th day Baptists, there are Church of God and many Messianic Jews (went to a few of their services myself) among others.

 

[alexsonofmatthew]

Just another modern day heresy which was started by freemasions. There is nothing new under the sun just old heretical theology that comes back after being dormant for centuries.

 

[Dale]

Mmksparbud:

“LOL! What makes you think she wasn't aware that Catholics number the 10 commandments differently? She simply did not go along with the change.”




You assume without evidence that the Protestant numbering is the correct one. I'm not even sure the question of which numbering of the Commandments is right is meaningful. The numbers aren't in the Bible. Actually, the Catholic numbering is older than the Protestant numbering, so you seem to have it backwards.




On the Sabbath being laid down at the Creation …

“God rested” is not a command. Since Adam and Eve did not work in the Garden of Eden, there was no need for a day of rest there. A day of rest would only have been needed after the expulsion from Eden.




God makes a covenant with Noah in Genesis 9 and the Sabbath isn't mentioned.




Here is a bit of info the SDA should consider.

“It is notable that the Sabbath is not mentioned in the Psalms (except in the heading of the 92nd), or in Proverbs, nor in Job. The Deuteronomic body of legislation does not discuss it after its incorporation into the Decalogue.”
Harper's Bible Dictionary, 1973 edition


In other words, the Old Testament Sabbath isn't nearly as important as the SDA think.

 

[Dale]

One thing the Original Post overlooks is the SDA insistence on Creationism as a religious doctrine.

Wilson: No room for evolution as truth in Adventist schools



Quote

“Seventh-day Adventist world church President Ted N. C. Wilson forcefully asserted that life has existed on the Earth for only a few thousand years, not millions of years, as he opened an educators conference in Utah on Friday, and he said teachers who believe otherwise should not call themselves Seventh-day Adventists or work in Church-operated schools.”




Link:

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-n...-for-evolution-as-truth-in-adventist-schools/

 

[Dale]

The SDA insistence on Creationism makes them look very conservative in their outlook. Yet their stand on abortion is essentially the same as Roe v. Wade. It's between the woman and God. How did they wind up in this position? Ellen White wrote a lengthy book on sexual morality and said nothing about abortion. For the SDA, the prophetess has spoken: abortion isn't an issue.

While EW says nothing about abortion, she is horrified at the thought of marrying someone who doesn't share her view of the Saturday Sabbath. The following is from one of the many intensely critical letters she wrote to her assistants and associates.


<< I was then shown that the attitude you manifested in your home life was unchristian. You began your married life by accepting a false sabbath, and by sailing under false colors. But a wife that was obtained by selling principles of truth could not bring peace or happiness to the purchaser. God was dishonored by your action in this matter, and His truth was trampled in the dust. When you gave up the Sabbath for your wife, she rejoiced that she had gained a victory, and Satan also rejoiced. >>

EW Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 210, Kindle Edition

 

[Original Happy Camper]

One thing the Original Post overlooks is the SDA insistence on Creationism as a religious doctrine.

Wilson: No room for evolution as truth in Adventist schools



Quote

“Seventh-day Adventist world church President Ted N. C. Wilson forcefully asserted that life has existed on the Earth for only a few thousand years, not millions of years, as he opened an educators conference in Utah on Friday, and he said teachers who believe otherwise should not call themselves Seventh-day Adventists or work in Church-operated schools.”


Link:

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-n...-for-evolution-as-truth-in-adventist-schools/

So based on your comment I take it that you dispute the genealogy that is listed in the bible, as well as the account of creation listed in Genesis. If this is so then by reference you are indicating that John 1 1-3 is inaccurate. Jesus, the word was made flesh (John 1 14) and all things were made by him, is the creator and He created all things in six literal days, "the evening and the morning were the first day, second day ect." why would this not be a "Christian Doctrine" as it is what Jesus Christ did?

Evolution is a new doctrine that came about at the same time as the great awaking in the 1800s. The early protestant reformers never taught this doctrine.

There is no room for Darwinism in a Christian walk as it is in opposition to the WORD of GOD. Why would you imply that teaching things that are in opposition to the WORD of GOD is acceptable when you list yourself as being a Christian?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

The SDA insistence on Creationism makes them look very conservative in their outlook. Yet their stand on abortion is essentially the same as Roe v. Wade. It's between the woman and God. How did they wind up in this position? Ellen White wrote a lengthy book on sexual morality and said nothing about abortion. For the SDA, the prophetess has spoken: abortion isn't an issue.

While EW says nothing about abortion, she is horrified at the thought of marrying someone who doesn't share her view of the Saturday Sabbath. The following is from one of the many intensely critical letters she wrote to her assistants and associates.


<< I was then shown that the attitude you manifested in your home life was unchristian. Yth began your married life by accepting a false sabbath, and by sailing under false colors. But a wife that was obtained by selling principles of truth could not bring peace or happiness to the purchaser. God was dishonored by your action in this matter, and His truth was trampled in the dust. When you gave up the Sabbath for your wife, she rejoiced that she had gained a victory, and Satan also rejoiced. >>


EW Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 210, Kindle Edition

Ellen White commented on the Ten Commandments throughout her writings, one of them states "Thou shalt not kill"

I would guess that covers abortion even if she did not use that twentieth century word in the 19th century.

 

[mmksparbud]

Mmksparbud:

“LOL! What makes you think she wasn't aware that Catholics number the 10 commandments differently? She simply did not go along with the change.”




You assume without evidence that the Protestant numbering is the correct one. I'm not even sure the question of which numbering of the Commandments is right is meaningful. The numbers aren't in the Bible. Actually, the Catholic numbering is older than the Protestant numbering, so you seem to have it backwards.




On the Sabbath being laid down at the Creation …

“God rested” is not a command. Since Adam and Eve did not work in the Garden of Eden, there was no need for a day of rest there. A day of rest would only have been needed after the expulsion from Eden.




God makes a covenant with Noah in Genesis 9 and the Sabbath isn't mentioned.




Here is a bit of info the SDA should consider.

“It is notable that the Sabbath is not mentioned in the Psalms (except in the heading of the 92nd), or in Proverbs, nor in Job. The Deuteronomic body of legislation does not discuss it after its incorporation into the Decalogue.”
Harper's Bible Dictionary, 1973 edition


In other words, the Old Testament Sabbath isn't nearly as important as the SDA think.

It is God that makes the rules---He "sanctified" He "hallowed" the 7th day at creation. It was made for man not for God---In the garden of Eden they did work--not as we now it---

(Gen 2:15 JPS) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

The Jewish numbering of the commandments is far older than the Catholic faith. They were called the 10 mitzvoth. They are a part of the 613--to the Jew all 613 are to be observed. However, only the 10 were kept in the ark.


List of the Aseret ha-Dibrot


1. Belief in G-d
This category is derived from the declaration in Ex. 20:2 beginning, "I am the L-rd, your G-d..."
2. Prohibition of Improper Worship
This category is derived from Ex. 20:3-6, beginning, "You shall not have other gods..." It encompasses within it the prohibition against the worship of other gods as well as the prohibition of improper forms of worship of the one true G-d, such as worshiping G-d through an idol.
3. Prohibition of Oaths
This category is derived from Ex. 20:7, beginning, "You shall not take the name of the L-rd your G-d in vain..." This includes prohibitions against perjury, breaking or delaying the performance of vows or promises, and speaking G-d's name or swearing unnecessarily.
4. Observance of Sacred Times
This category is derived from Ex. 20:8-11, beginning, "Remember the Sabbath day..." It encompasses all mitzvot related to Shabbat, holidays, or other sacred time.
5. Respect for Parents and Teachers
This category is derived from Ex. 20:12, beginning, "Honor your father and mother..."
6. Prohibition of Physically Harming a Person
This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not murder."
7. Prohibition of Sexual Immorality
This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not commit adultery."
8. Prohibition of Theft
This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not steal." It includes within it both outright robbery as well as various forms of theft by deception and unethical business practices. It also includes kidnapping, which is essentially "stealing" a person.
9. Prohibition of Harming a Person through Speech
This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." It includes all forms of lashon ha-ra (sins relating to speech).
10. Prohibition of Coveting
This category is derived from Ex. 20:14, beginning, "You shall not covet your neighbor's house..."

http://www.jewfaq.org/10.htm

The Sabbath was known before the stone tablets were given to the Jews--

(Exo 16:26 JPS) Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.'

This was before the tablets were given.
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[Dale]

Ellen White commented on the Ten Commandments throughout her writings, one of them states "Thou shalt not kill"

I would guess that covers abortion even if she did not use that twentieth century word in the 19th century.

She didn't see it that way. If you claim that she condemned abortion, you'll have to show me where.

The word abortion has been in use since the 1540's, as seen below.


<< abortion (n.)

1540s, originally of both deliberate and unintended miscarriages; from Latin abortionem (nominative abortio) "miscarriage; abortion," noun of action from past participle stem of aboriri "to miscarry.” >>


Link to Etymology online:

http://etymonline.com/index.php?l=a&p=2&allowed_in_frame=0

 

[mmksparbud]

She never mentioned the subject---so what would make you think she would be okay with a procedure that only became legal and common place years and years after she had died? It was not an issue at the time--however, birth control was and she did endorse that--which is also against Catholic teaching.

 

[Dale]

Ellen White commented on the Ten Commandments throughout her writings, one of them states "Thou shalt not kill"

I would guess that covers abortion even if she did not use that twentieth century word in the 19th century.

She didn't see it that way. If you claim that she condemned abortion, you'll have to show me where.


On what the SDA church teaches today, the Guidelines (on abortion) voted by the General Conference are given on their website. Point 4 of the Guidelines contains the words:

“The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. ”




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The word abortion has been in use since the 1540's, as seen below.

<< abortion (n.)

1540s, originally of both deliberate and unintended miscarriages; from Latin abortionem (nominative abortio) "miscarriage; abortion," noun of action from past participle stem of aboriri "to miscarry.” >>

Link to Etymology online:

http://etymonline.com/index.php?l=a&p=2&allowed_in_frame=0

 

[mmksparbud]

The word abortion has been around---not the legal, common place medical procedure. This was not a common thing where clinics were set up to perform these surgical procedures. It was not an issue back then.

 

[Dale]

I apologize for the double post, two posts differing only slightly in content. I tried to delete the first one but the system wouldn't let me.




Mmksparbud:
<< You call that extreme?!! We are not the only Sabbath keeping denomination--didn't you get the memo? >>


Ellen White in Life Sketches, as quoted above:

“The man of sin, who exalted himself above God, and thought to change times and laws, brought about the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week.”


Ellen White is extreme because she repeatedly implies that one of the popes is the antichrist, or maybe that all popes are antichrist. Calling the leader of a rival church the antichrist certainly sounds extreme, particularly when the claim doesn't make sense. EW implies that the pope who supposedly changed the day of worship in the 4th century is the antichrist. But the Beast in Revelation is to come in the end times, just before the Second Coming. How could someone who lived in the 4th century be the antichrist?

 

[mmksparbud]

I apologize for the double post, two posts differing only slightly in content. I tried to delete the first one but the system wouldn't let me.




Mmksparbud:
<< You call that extreme?!! We are not the only Sabbath keeping denomination--didn't you get the memo? >>


Ellen White in Life Sketches, as quoted above:

“The man of sin, who exalted himself above God, and thought to change times and laws, brought about the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week.”


Ellen White is extreme because she repeatedly implies that one of the popes is the antichrist, or maybe that all popes are antichrist. Calling the leader of a rival church the antichrist certainly sounds extreme, particularly when the claim doesn't make sense. EW implies that the pope who supposedly changed the day of worship in the 4th century is the antichrist. But the Beast in Revelation is to come in the end times, just before the Second Coming. How could someone who lived in the 4th century be the antichrist?

You need to get out more.

1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Antichrist[edit]
See also: Antichrist
Protestant reformers, including Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, and Cotton Mather, felt the early church had been led into apostasy by the Papacy and identified it as the Antichrist.[2] The Centuriators of Magdeburg, a group of Lutheran scholars in Magdeburg headed by Matthias Flacius, wrote the 12-volume "Magdeburg Centuries" to discredit the papacy and identify the pope as the Antichrist. So rather than expecting a single Antichrist to rule the earth during a future Tribulation period, Martin Luther, John Calvin, and other Protestant reformers saw the Antichrist as a present feature in the world of their time, fulfilled in the papacy.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicist_interpretations_of_the_Book_of_Revelation#Antichrist

Pre-Reformation Western Church Accusers[edit]
Arnulf (archbishop of Reims) disagreed with the policies and morals of Pope John XV. He expressed his views while presiding over the Council of Reims in A.D. 991. Arnulf accused John XV of being the Antichrist while also using the 2 Thessalonians passage about the "man of lawlessness" (or "lawless one"), saying, "Surely, if he is empty of charity and filled with vain knowledge and lifted up, he is Antichrist sitting in God's temple and showing himself as God." This incident is history's earliest record of anyone identifying a pope with the Antichrist (See Antichrist (historicism)).[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist

 

[Mb_C]

For me, the Sabbath is a simple issue. Is the Sabbath mine or God's? The Bible says it belongs to God.
If it belongs to God, why not celebrate it with Him? Btw, if anyone feels it's a bore or a burden, going to church on the Sabbath isn't "keeping the Sabbath holy". It's meant to be a joy. Being unhappy is antithetical to the Sabbath.

I'm a Seventh-day Adventist, but I disagree with the idea of "Christians should/shouldn't ..." because I feel it stirs up a spirit of unwillingness. It's your loss if you don't keep the Sabbath holy, because there's a blessing in it that predates sin's existence on earth. At the same time, isn't it contradictory if we claim to love God but do not respect His property?

"But the Bible does not explicitly say we are to..." Well, the Bible doesn't explicitly say to help old people to cross the road when they're having difficulty. The Bible didn't explicitly say to heal or give relief to the sick on the Sabbath, but Jesus did it anyway. Jesus' example is: what would God do in this situation?

God rested on the seventh day even though He had no sin to be freed from. Therefore, the Sabbath isn't about being freed from the bondage of sin, so it isn't the "rest found Jesus". What did God rest from? All His works. Therefore, the Sabbath is a celebration of all His works. That is why the Sabbath was rightly given to (with the ownership still God's, it never belonged to the Jews) Israel as a sign of God being the one who sanctifies them [Exodus 31:13]. The Sabbath is a celebration of Jesus being the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world [Revelation 13:8] since God rested from all His works after the foundation of the world.

Imagine this scenario: a certain man was invited to a wedding dinner of a nobleman as a guest of honour with a free gift attached to the invitation card, but he responded, "Thanks for this free gift, but I have better things to do than go to your wedding dinner. It's an invitation, right? I'm under no obligation to go, so no hard feelings, ok?"

Tell me, did this man respect, let alone love, the nobleman?

 

[Dave-W]

My goal, in this post, is simply to enumerate all known doctrinal or practical errors taught by the Seventh Day Adventists under the influence of various false prophets.

To what end?

How is this not a clear example of lashon hara - the evil tongue? If you have a problem with Adventists - take it to them privately per Matt 15.

 

[Alawishis]

My goal, in this post, is simply to enumerate all known doctrinal or practical errors taught by the Seventh Day Adventists under the influence of various false prophets.

The format of this post will consist of bullet points expressing the doctrinal statement as they make it. In some cases, where the view is not universally held by all Adventists, this will be noted through a qualification in parentheses:

Theological Errors

• St. Michael and Jesus Christ are the same person.
• Rejection of the Trinity (a belief historically mainstream in Adventism, now a minority view)

Eschatological Errors

• An "investigative judgement" began in 1849
• Annhilationism
• Chiliasm
• Impending enactment of worldwide legislation compelling Sunday worship

Mystagogical Errors

• Ellen G. White is an inspired prophet
• The "outpouring of prophecy" refers not so much to Pentecost as to her

Liturgical Errors

• Sunday worship is an evil Roman Catholic conspiracy. (Minority view)
• Christmas is pagan (Minority view)
• Easter is pagan (Minority view)
• Christians are required to keep the Sabbath

Practical Errors

• Chrisrians may not consume pork or other "unclean" foods
• Circumcision is mandatory An error on my part, the Adventists prohibit this. Mea culpa.

Historical Errors

• The period 538-1798 corresponds to the "1260 days," despite a clear lack of meaning.
• Albigensians, Cathari, Donatists, Montanists, Waldensians et al were good, proto-Protestant, proto-Adventists

There are doubtless several errors I've missed. There are also peculiar Adventist practices like Academy for tweens which are not strictly speaking theological errors, but which are nontheless strange and contribute to a sectarian culture existing in a state of disharmony with the world.

OK.
I see your list. I've researched through pretty much all of these over the years. I'm willing to go through them with you if you like. But, first I have to ask, did you come here to ask us to go through them with you or are you here to say, "You're all wrong because I say so!"? Now I haven't read through the thread yet so I don't know all that's been said already. But here you say we are wrong but you have provided no support for you view that we are wrong, only saying, 'You're wrong!'

So if you're here to honestly go through this and hear how these views are supported, then I'd be happy to lend my time. If not, I have better thing to do than to argue with someone who is here simply for the purpose to argue. What is it the kids call someone on the forums who just wants to argue for no reason again? If you are here with the heart of Christ then I'm happy to talk.

 

[topcare]

It looks like the OP is no longer here. However if you want to tackle the list I would read your post