An experiment with Bing chatbot.

[sjastro]

Nice little summary type article, and I read it.

Also though, per the article I linked to you about the size of the exodus, it might have been closer to ~100k Israelites leaving vs an Egyptian population of perhaps 3-4M, so that would be perhaps more like ~3-6% of the workforce in that scenario. (see the GotQuestions article I linked to you)

But, there's a more key other factor i can offer information about other than exodus size.

Having actually worked on a small farm, I can relate that labor is very easy to substitute in, with no previous experience required.

I found this out, to my own distress at being assigned more and more work because other family members that had been doing those parts stopped as I became old enough to take over their tasks.

It's just not needed to be already skilled to do basic farm work so long as even one person is around even briefly to instruct you in what to do.

In just 2-5 minutes, they can instruct you and give you many hours of work....

I'm not kidding.
It's just fact.

This isn't really skilled labor, especially not in the most basic farming like would be done in the ancient past.

So...an Egyptian overseer (who had already in the past been overseeing slaves...) could command I bet even 15-20 separate groups of laborers in a day no doubt, if he had a chariot to go around in.

Just like he'd been doing already for years.

So, it would be as I explained, in our scenario. It's not a wild speculation, but a very reasonable expectation based on experience.

Artisans and previously not working individuals would be needed to work in the fields. And they would have to do so. And they'd be able to do so. (that's where the age of the populace comes in -- those 15-30 year olds would be perfectly able to do that work...)

What would be gone is the previous economy. Life for Egyptians would become much more laborious.....and much less luxurious.

So long as the Nile inundations continued normally, they'd be fine.

Just fine.

Failed inundations = famine we can guess, but...disasters happen now and then.

Your link is an example of selective incredulity.
If 600,000 men mentioned in Exodus is incredulous then why not Moses talking to a burning bush or parting the Red Sea?
Taking it to its logical conclusion Exodus becomes a metaphorical not a literal work.

With regards to your personal farm experiences you could make the same type of arguments to claim the consequences of the Black Death should never had occurred as labour shortages could have been avoided.
The facts are labour shortages did occur and their consequences, famine and social upheaval were unavoidable and there is no reason to suggest that a literal interpretation of Exodus would not lead to the same outcome.

 

[sjastro]

I asked Bing the same question as per @essentialsaltes post regarding the galaxy M74.

Messier 74, also known as NGC 628 and Phantom Galaxy, is a large spiral galaxy located in the equatorial constellation Pisces. It is about 32 million light-years away from Earth¹. The galaxy contains two clearly defined spiral arms and is therefore used as an archetypal example of a grand design spiral galaxy¹.

The galaxy's low surface brightness makes it the most difficult Messier object for amateur astronomers to observe. However, its relatively large angular size and face-on orientation make it an ideal object for professional astronomers who want to study spiral arm structure and spiral density waves¹. It is estimated that M74 hosts about 100 billion stars¹.

M74 was discovered by Pierre Méchain in 1780. He then communicated his discovery to Charles Messier, who listed the galaxy in his catalog¹. In July 2022, it was observed by the James Webb Space Telescope¹.

Three supernovae are known to have taken place within M74: SN 2002ap, SN 2003gd, and SN 2013ej (the numbers denote the year)¹. SN 2002ap was one of few Type Ic supernovae recorded within 10 Mpc every century. This explosion has been used to test theories on the origins of others further away and theories on the emission by supernovae of gamma-ray bursts¹. SN 2003gd is a Type II-P supernova. Type II supernovae have known luminosities, so they can be used to accurately measure distances¹.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 06/04/2023(1) Messier 74 - Wikipedia. Messier 74 - Wikipedia Accessed 06/04/2023.
(2) Messier 74 | NASA. Messier 74 Accessed 06/04/2023.
(3) Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View | Science Mission Directorate - NASA. Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View | Science Mission Directorate Accessed 06/04/2023.

Score Bing 1 ChatGPT 0.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I asked Bing the same question as per @essentialsaltes post regarding the galaxy M74.


Score Bing 1 ChatGPT 0.

Bing may have job at AiG as their pet astronomer -- can recognize a spiral properly, will quote fundamentalist/literalist "Biblical history". I wonder if it could pass the Qual.

 

[Halbhh]

Your link is an example of selective incredulity.

No it isn't (and I've trained for many years to be more objective in several ways -- I can dump a favorite theory I have in 1 minute, for something new)

If you merely read it neutrally, without preconception bias, it will help.

The article pointed out to me some things I'd never even noticed after reading these books 3 and 4 times already.

Try this: pretend you don't know (or another way: just assume you don't necessarily know every detail, so that while you might know 4 things (you don't have to think you don't), there might actually be 8 or even 11 things, some entirely new...etc.) and then read it trying to learn anything new. I learned to do that way back as a teen, as a method.

Try.

 

[Halbhh]

What article? That bible answers thing?

No, that doesn't even have the word "Semite" in it. You must be referring to the other article that has in its title that it's about Semites in Egypt, the secular article.

To which you were saying (what everyone already knows here probably) that not all Semites are Israelites (but no one had claimed all Semites were Israelites....).

As for some of the other claims tossed out: Semite /= Israelite.

I offered you 2 articles in 2 posts, but only the secular article includes "Semites"....

It's about Israelites in Egypt mostly, and is just above in post #48, and you could always click that link and have a look, because it's probably only 4-6 minutes of interesting reading. (hint: read past the first few paragraphs, really read the entirety...)

(if a person is interested in Israelites and Egypt, etc. -- but why even comment at all if the topic is of no interest?....)

 

[sjastro]

No it isn't (and I've trained for many years to be more objective in several ways -- I can dump a favorite theory I have in 1 minute, for something new)

If you merely read it neutrally, without preconception bias, it will help.

The article pointed out to me some things I'd never even noticed after reading these books 3 and 4 times already.

Try this: pretend you don't know (or another way: just assume you don't necessarily know every detail, so that while you might know 4 things (you don't have to think you don't), there might actually be 8 or even 11 things, some entirely new...etc.) and then read it trying to learn anything new. I learned to do that way back as a teen, as a method.

Try.

What I see objectively is how you are trying to conflate science with apologetics.

As I mentioned in an earlier post if Exodus is assumed to be factual it forms part of ancient Egyptian history.
By looking at Exodus from this perspective one needs to deal with the cold hard evidence obtained through archaeology and not through the apologetics side of the Bible on which your link is based on.
Exodus states as a historical account that 600,000 men fled Egypt period.
By bringing apologetics into the argument and stating Exodus doesn’t literally mean 600,000 for the various reasons given in your link is to portray Exodus as an unreliable historical source.

As demonstrated in this and in other threads Exodus fails the acid test as being a source of ancient Egyptian history as there is no archaeological evidence both direct and indirect to support it.

 

[Halbhh]

What I see objectively is how you are trying to conflate science with apologetics.

As I mentioned in an earlier post if Exodus is assumed to be factual it forms part of ancient Egyptian history.
By looking at Exodus from this perspective one needs to deal with the cold hard evidence obtained through archaeology and not through the apologetics side of the Bible on which your link is based on.
Exodus states as a historical account that 600,000 men fled Egypt period.
By bringing apologetics into the argument and stating Exodus doesn’t literally mean 600,000 for the various reasons given in your link is to portray Exodus as an unreliable historical source.

As demonstrated in this and in other threads Exodus fails the acid test as being a source of ancient Egyptian history as there is no archaeological evidence both direct and indirect to support it.

Ah, you've not read my posts fully.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I offered you 2 articles in 2 posts, but only the secular article includes "Semites"....

It's about Israelites in Egypt mostly, and is just above in post #48, and you could always click that link and have a look, because it's probably only 4-6 minutes of interesting reading. (hint: read past the first few paragraphs, really read the entirety...)

(if a person is interested in Israelites and Egypt, etc. -- but why even comment at all if the topic is of no interest?....)

Oh, post #48 had a link. I just saw one line of text and an oversized image, so I just scrolled past the link without seeing it.

About the link: Your link to an isreali newspaper went blank the moment I opened it just now, so it was of no use to me.

 

[Halbhh]

Oh, post #48 had a link. I just saw one line of text and an oversized image, so I just scrolled past the link without seeing it.

About the link: Your link to an isreali newspaper went blank the moment I opened it just now, so it was of no use to me.

Ah. I'll try another way to link it. That's from Haaretz, which seems on just the basis of maybe 20 articles I've read there over years sorta like the NYTimes averaged with the New Yorker a bit, roughly, with some lengthy and more in depth pieces. This article was pretty good I thought. This is a little different way to link, so maybe that will help, not sure.

Were Hebrews Ever Slaves in Ancient Egypt? Yes

(if that doesn't work you could try just looking up that article title on Haaretz with a search engine, and get to it from that link)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ah. I'll try another way to link it. That's from Haaretz, which seems on just the basis of maybe 20 articles I've read there over years sorta like the NYTimes averaged with the New Yorker a bit, roughly, with some lengthy and more in depth pieces. This article was pretty good I thought. This is a little different way to link, so maybe that will help, not sure.

Were Hebrews Ever Slaves in Ancient Egypt? Yes

(if that doesn't work you could try just looking up that article title on Haaretz with a search engine, and get to it from that link)

It was my browser that wouldn't load the page correctly. I switched to a different one. (Lousy 21st century web technology.)

Took a look at the article. A lot of the usual overlap without specifics in the first half (Semites, Hyksos, mud brick slaves, Egyptian conquest of Canaan, etc.) then about halfway in a direct reference:

"The papyrus Anastasi VI from around 3200 years ago describes how the Egyptian authorities allowed a group of Semitic nomads from Edom who worshiped Yahweh to pass the border-fortress in the region of Tjeku (Wadi Tumilat) and proceed with their livestock to the lakes of Pithom."

A search for that papyrus found a scholarly article from the 50s with a competing view at the top of the search. No mention of Yahweh (that I saw), just nomads from "red lands" or perhaps desert.

The Hareetz article follows immediately with:

"Shortly afterwards, the Israelites enter world history with the Merenptah stele, which bears the first mention of an entity called Israel in Canaan. It is robustly dated at is 1210 BCE, i.e., as of writing, 3226 years ago."

Working that connection hard (despite not actually mentioning Canaan, or Israel in the papyrus, depending on interpretation)

There are some similarities to generic descriptions in Exodus and of life in ancient Egypt and the one concrete example tying the two together and that example is readily questioned by specialists. (Not universally rejected, mind you.)

I also have no idea what the ideologies involved in the writing or publishing of the article are. The author is supposed to be an underwater archeologist, but I am having a hard time finding articles by him.

 

[Halbhh]

It was my browser that wouldn't load the page correctly. I switched to a different one. (Lousy 21st century web technology.)

Took a look at the article. A lot of the usual overlap without specifics in the first half (Semites, Hyksos, mud brick slaves, Egyptian conquest of Canaan, etc.) then about halfway in a direct reference:

"The papyrus Anastasi VI from around 3200 years ago describes how the Egyptian authorities allowed a group of Semitic nomads from Edom who worshiped Yahweh to pass the border-fortress in the region of Tjeku (Wadi Tumilat) and proceed with their livestock to the lakes of Pithom."

A search for that papyrus found a scholarly article from the 50s with a competing view at the top of the search. No mention of Yahweh (that I saw), just nomads from "red lands" or perhaps desert.

The Hareetz article follows immediately with:

"Shortly afterwards, the Israelites enter world history with the Merenptah stele, which bears the first mention of an entity called Israel in Canaan. It is robustly dated at is 1210 BCE, i.e., as of writing, 3226 years ago."

Working that connection hard (despite not actually mentioning Canaan, or Israel in the papyrus, depending on interpretation)

There are some similarities to generic descriptions in Exodus and of life in ancient Egypt and the one concrete example tying the two together and that example is readily questioned by specialists. (Not universally rejected, mind you.)

I also have no idea what the ideologies involved in the writing or publishing of the article are. The author is supposed to be an underwater archeologist, but I am having a hard time finding articles by him.

At first while initially reading, I supposed the writer would be simply the science section writer (and Haaretz is leading newspaper, sorta like NYTimes or such) -- but I see along with the list of articles (many interesting things about archeology), that's actually his training/field:

Philippe Bohstrom

Philippe Bohstrom - Breaking News, Features and Analyses From Israel, the Middle East and the Jewish World Haaretz

www.haaretz.com

"Philippe Bohstrom is an archaeologist, covering archaeology for news outlets and journals in America, Europe and Asia. Bohstrom holds a master's degree in Classical Archaeology from Gothenburg University and a master´s degree in Near Eastern Archaeology and History from Tel Aviv University."

Regarding whether any Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt, while it seems very plausible it's not clearly proven that I so far found (or that's been found in well known archeology so far, to be more exact, (we don't imagine all archeology is over, but that new things will be found in future times of course).

Talking more generally about Egypt, it was a kingdom, of course, and slavery was very commonplace at that time (and has been in the world in general until more recent times).

E.g.: It does seem pretty clear Egypt used a lot of slave labor (or the equivalent):

Did children build the ancient Egyptian city of Amarna?​

New evidence from Akhenaten’s capital suggests that a ‘disposable’ workforce of children and teenagers provided much of the labour for the city’s construction

Did children build the ancient Egyptian city of Amarna?

New evidence from Akhenaten’s capital suggests that a ‘disposable’ workforce of children and teenagers provided much of the labour for the city’s construction

www.theguardian.com

I noticed that they could only speculate where these young people came from, but the disposal suggests they are non native in that native children would more likely (I think) to be buried with tokens, symbols, ritual burials or such as a way to help the Egyptian population feel better about their kids dying, etc. -- in a way consistent with how native children are buried in all other nations, everywhere on Earth pretty much...

So, those are very likely foreign slaves., etc.

But I didn't yet see evidence that simply makes everything clear about Israel's path, and well, really, it would surprise me if much of that was found past just a very partial amount of things that are a scant record.

Consider a group that was enslaved, and then later is a marginal group that was on the move trying to find a home, etc...

We'd expect evidence to be scarce until after they finally settled.... Here's why:

It's that disposable slaves don't get a lot of honor/detailed genealogy, etc. -- so, logically, it would not be in keeping to find extensive proof of who the slaves were unless detailed records of where the slaves came from were kept.

So, before the time that Israel was a settled people in Canaan, settled finally in one place, was finally beginning to leave the easy to find records of extensive and lasting settlement life of a large population in one spot, the kind of evidence that easily lasts for millennia....why expect to see evidence about them?...

In other words, it would not make archeological sense to expect much evidence of Israel before its an well established permanent nation/set of cities.

Unless you can figure out why we should find evidence of a marginal group on the move trying to settle? I can't see why anyone would expect evidence of that to last 3,000+ years, but rather old remains in the desert would be hard to attribute to a specific group, but just be 'Semitic' or such, only a remains from that vague, large diverse grouping of the peoples of the larger region (now very many diverse nations).

(at this point, we've digressed enough from chatGPT! lol....if we continue further on this, it ought to be thread on this topic instead)

 

[Hans Blaster]

At first while initially reading, I supposed the writer would be simply the science section writer (and Haaretz is leading newspaper, sorta like NYTimes or such) -- but I see along with the list of articles (many interesting things about archeology), that's actually his training/field:

Philippe Bohstrom

Philippe Bohstrom - Breaking News, Features and Analyses From Israel, the Middle East and the Jewish World Haaretz

www.haaretz.com

"Philippe Bohstrom is an archaeologist, covering archaeology for news outlets and journals in America, Europe and Asia. Bohstrom holds a master's degree in Classical Archaeology from Gothenburg University and a master´s degree in Near Eastern Archaeology and History from Tel Aviv University."

Yeah, I got that from reading his bios before posting about him. I put him in to Google scholar (my first time using it, so I might have messed it up) and couldn't find anything. Some bios suggested he does some underwater work in archeology in addition to his writing.

Regarding whether any Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt, while it seems very plausible it's not clearly proven that I so far found (or that's been found in well known archeology so far, to be more exact, (we don't imagine all archeology is over, but that new things will be found in future times of course).

Unfortunately, "plausible" is as far as you can get at this point.

Talking more generally about Egypt, it was a kingdom, of course, and slavery was very commonplace at that time (and has been in the world in general until more recent times).

E.g.: It does seem pretty clear Egypt used a lot of slave labor (or the equivalent):

Did children build the ancient Egyptian city of Amarna?​

New evidence from Akhenaten’s capital suggests that a ‘disposable’ workforce of children and teenagers provided much of the labour for the city’s construction

Did children build the ancient Egyptian city of Amarna?

New evidence from Akhenaten’s capital suggests that a ‘disposable’ workforce of children and teenagers provided much of the labour for the city’s construction

www.theguardian.com

I noticed that they could only speculate where these young people came from, but the disposal suggests they are non native in that native children would more likely (I think) to be buried with tokens, symbols, ritual burials or such as a way to help the Egyptian population feel better about their kids dying, etc. -- in a way consistent with how native children are buried in all other nations, everywhere on Earth pretty much...

So, those are very likely foreign slaves., etc.

I looked at this article to see who might be implying it was related to Israel, and it turns out it is only you (by posting it in this thread).

But I didn't yet see evidence that simply makes everything clear about Israel's path, and well, really, it would surprise me if much of that was found past just a very partial amount of things that are a scant record.

Consider a group that was enslaved, and then later is a marginal group that was on the move trying to find a home, etc...

We'd expect evidence to be scarce until after they finally settled.... Here's why:

It's that disposable slaves don't get a lot of honor/detailed genealogy, etc. -- so, logically, it would not be in keeping to find extensive proof of who the slaves were unless detailed records of where the slaves came from were kept.

So, before the time that Israel was a settled people in Canaan, settled finally in one place, was finally beginning to leave the easy to find records of extensive and lasting settlement life of a large population in one spot, the kind of evidence that easily lasts for millennia....why expect to see evidence about them?...

There is evidence of them forming a state in Canaan, in the Judean hill country in the early Iron Age.

In other words, it would not make archeological sense to expect much evidence of Israel before its an well established permanent nation/set of cities.

Unless you can figure out why we should find evidence of a marginal group on the move trying to settle? I can't see why anyone would expect evidence of that to last 3,000+ years, but rather old remains in the desert would be hard to attribute to a specific group, but just be 'Semitic' or such, only a remains from that vague, large diverse grouping of the peoples of the larger region (now very many diverse nations).

The professional archeologists would disagree with you here. The archeology of the Nile Delta does not support a population of 2M leaving in short order. The presence of Semites, or even Yahwehites doesn't alter that. The archeology of the Sinai doesn't support a 2M x 40 years either. Perhaps each of those 1/10 or less could be "hidden" in unidentified places and the exodus for a few months, not decades, but the Exodus text version is completely unsupportable.

I've heard lots of plausible explanations for the Exodus/Joshua stories, but none that can support the 2M leaving Egypt, spending 40 years in the Sinai (as I understand it "40" is ancient Hebrew for "a bazillion" take that as you will), and then conquering Canaan swiftly.

(at this point, we've digressed enough from chatGPT! lol....if we continue further on this, it ought to be thread on this topic instead)

Diverging from the topic of the OP is the "raisin debtor" of CF. We've also covered the exodus in many threads before

 

[sjastro]

Ah, you've not read my posts fully.

Why would I have responded to your posts if I have not read them fully?
Are you aware there are excerpts in the Old Testament where the narrative is mixed with historical events that have been confirmed by archaeological evidence?

Earlier in this thread Bing made one of its few accurate comments.

You are correct. Shoshenq I, also known as Shishak in the Bible, is indeed one of the earliest historically attested individuals mentioned in the Bible. He was a pharaoh of Egypt who reigned from 945-924 BCE and is mentioned in 1 Kings 11:40 and 2 Chronicles 12:2-9. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

In Chronicles 12:2-4

2 And it happened in the fifth year of King Rehoboam that Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem, because they had transgressed against the Lord, 3 with twelve hundred chariots, sixty thousand horsemen, and people without number who came with him out of Egypt—the Lubim and the Sukkiim and the Ethiopians. 4 And he took the fortified cities of Judah and came to Jerusalem.

The Egyptian account of the military campaign is found on the Bubastite Portal at Karnak Egypt.

This is an example of how history is attested by archaeology.
How does the Exodus compare; it not attested and the only conclusion one can reach is Exodus is purely a story without any historical content.

Incidentally keeping to the theme of AI, AI is now used to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics.

 

[sjastro]

Expanding on Bing's answer to question (2) in post #1 where it identified the Schwarzschild metric as a solution to Einstein's field equations, I found Bing can provide deep responses provided you knew the answers to the questions you asked which is not terribly helpful as an educational tool.

Here is the exchange.
Show me the Schwarzschild metric is a solution for Einstein's field equations.

In Einstein's theory of general relativity, the Schwarzschild metric (also known as the Schwarzschild solution) is an exact solution to the Einstein field equations that describes the gravitational field outside a spherical mass, on the assumption that the electric charge of the mass, angular momentum of the mass, and universal cosmological constant are all zero¹. It was found by Karl Schwarzschild in 1916⁵.
Would you like more information on this topic?

Source: Conversation with Bing, 08/04/2023(1) Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia. Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia Accessed 08/04/2023.
(2) Karl Schwarzschild - Wikipedia. Karl Schwarzschild - Wikipedia Accessed 08/04/2023.
(3) Derivation of the Schwarzschild solution - Wikipedia. Derivation of the Schwarzschild solution - Wikipedia Accessed 08/04/2023.
(4) Schwarzchild metric solution: Einstein's field equations seem redundant. Schwarzchild metric solution: Einstein's field equations seem redundant Accessed 08/04/2023.
(5) Schwarzschild solution derivation and determinant of the Schwarzschild .... Schwarzschild solution derivation and determinant of the Schwarzschild metric tensor Accessed 08/04/2023.

This is an unsatisfactory answer.
Do you know what a Christoffel symbol is?

In mathematics and physics, the Christoffel symbols are an array of numbers describing a metric connection. The metric connection is a specialization of the affine connection to surfaces or other manifolds endowed with a metric, allowing distances to be measured on that surface¹.
Is there anything else you would like to know?

Source: Conversation with Bing, 08/04/2023(1) Christoffel symbols - Wikipedia. Christoffel symbols - Wikipedia Accessed 08/04/2023.
(2) Christoffel Symbols: A Complete Guide With Examples. Christoffel Symbols: A Complete Guide With Examples | Profound Physics Accessed 08/04/2023.
(3) Christoffel symbols - HandWiki. Christoffel symbols - HandWiki Accessed 08/04/2023.
(4) Christoffel Symbol -- from Wolfram MathWorld. Christoffel Symbol -- from Wolfram MathWorld Accessed 08/04/2023.

Good so what does it mean when the Christoffel symbols are zero?

On Minkowski spacetime in the standard coordinates, the Christoffel symbols are all zero. But in different coordinates (e.g., spherical coordinates), they will not be zero. The Christoffel symbols contain information about the intrinsic curvature of the spacetime and about the "curvature of the coordinates"¹.
Is there anything else you would like to know?

Source: Conversation with Bing, 08/04/2023(1) Christoffel Symbols in Flat Space-Time - Mathematics Stack Exchange. Christoffel Symbols in Flat Space-Time Accessed 08/04/2023.
(2) Christoffel symbols - Wikipedia. Christoffel symbols - Wikipedia Accessed 08/04/2023.
(3) Prove that Christoffel symbols are zero on $U$.. Prove that Christoffel symbols are zero on $U$. Accessed 08/04/2023.
(4) The Christoffel symbols at the origin -- Why zero? | Physics Forums. The Christoffel symbols at the origin -- Why zero? Accessed 08/04/2023.

We are getting there.
So what are the non zero Christoffel symbols for the Schwarzschild metric?

The non-zero Christoffel symbols for the Schwarzschild metric are:
Γ t t r = M (r − 2 M) r 3,
Γ r r r = − M r (r − 2 M),
Γ θ θ r = − (r − 2 M),
Γ ϕ ϕ r = − (r − 2 M) sin 2 θ,
Γ r t t = M r (r − 2 M),
Γ r θ θ = 1 r,
Γ ϕ ϕ θ = − sin θ cos θ,
Γ r ϕ ϕ = 1 r,
Γ θ ϕ ϕ = cos θ sin θ⁶.

Is there anything else you would like to know?

Source: Conversation with Bing, 08/04/2023(1) homework and exercises - Christoffel symbols for Schwarzschild metric .... Christoffel symbols for Schwarzschild metric Accessed 08/04/2023.
(2) homework and exercises - Christoffel symbols for Schwarzschild metric .... non zero Christoffel symbols Schwarzschild metric - Bing Accessed 08/04/2023.
(3) Derivation of the Schwarzschild solution - Wikipedia. Derivation of the Schwarzschild solution - Wikipedia Accessed 08/04/2023.
(4) general relativity - Christoffel symbol for Schwarzschild metric .... Christoffel symbol for Schwarzschild metric Accessed 08/04/2023.
(5) general relativity - Schwarzschild Metric - Why only four Geodesic .... Schwarzschild Metric - Why only four Geodesic equations considering nine non zero Christoffel symbols? Accessed 08/04/2023.
(6) 6.2: The Schwarzschild Metric (Part 1) - Physics LibreTexts. 6.2: The Schwarzschild Metric (Part 1) Accessed 08/04/2023.

Well done Bingy!
Do you understand the condition for the Schwarzschild metric being a solution to Einstein’s field equations requires the existence of non vanishing Christoffel symbols?

Yes, I understand that the Schwarzschild metric is a solution to Einstein's field equations and that it requires the existence of non-vanishing Christoffel symbols. The Schwarzschild metric describes the gravitational field outside a spherical mass, on the assumption that the electric charge of the mass, angular momentum of the mass, and universal cosmological constant are all zero. The Christoffel symbols are used to study the geometry of the metric and appear in the geodesic equation.
Is there anything else you would like to know?

You are a legend.

Thank you for your kind words! I'm here to help you with any questions you may have. Is there anything else you would like to know?

Of course I was being sarcastic about Bing being a legend.

 

[Halbhh]

The archeology of the Nile Delta does not support a population of 2M leaving in short order.

Neither do I think 2 million Israelites left. (I already indicated a more likely sounding theory (though just one of several theories that are interesting) above (as I talked about) seems more plausible to me at the moment) (Also, to me this whole topic of the details of precisely where the Israelites came from geographically, traveled around, when, etc., really has never been a topic to me, and is just interesting academic stuff really; I don't seem to have a dog in whatever that fight is about numbers at a given moment in time or such, whatever ongoing old debates are going on around numbers, evidence, etc., lol... that's not some old debate for me... Not my war. lol)

But if we do share any additional interesting archeology any further, it should be in a thread that is about that, and not this thread, of course.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Neither do I think 2 million Israelites left. (I already indicated a more likely sounding theory (though just one of several theories that are interesting) above (as I talked about) seems more plausible to me at the moment) (Also, to me this whole topic of the details of precisely where the Israelites came from geographically, traveled around, when, etc., really has never been a topic to me, and is just interesting academic stuff really; I don't seem to have a dog in whatever that fight is about numbers at a given moment in time or such, whatever ongoing old debates are going on around numbers, evidence, etc., lol... that's not some old debate for me... Not my war. lol)

I use 2M people, rather than the 600k men reported in the text since unlike the scribes that wrote Exodus, I consider non-men to also be people. It is the 2M people that would have left a gaping hole in the Egyptian economy (and housing market) and on the Sinai desert. (I once realized that a 40 years the Sinai meander should have left about 2M graves that are also not found.

Yes, you are using a 100,000 people number, but that isn't supported by anything but speculations.

As for the origins of the Israelites, I thought that was pretty clear -- they are Canaanites with a splinter religion that first start forming a state in the Judean Hills in the early Iron Age.

But if we do share any additional interesting archeology any further, it should be in a thread that is about that, and not this thread, of course.

OK, maybe.

 

[sjastro]

Chatbots cannot lie instead they hallucinate.
ChatGPT's hallucination has resulted in it having the dubious honour of being the first chatbot to be sued for defamation.
Experts are in a quandary if non sentient chatbots are open to legal prosecution.

 

[Halbhh]

Earlier in this thread Bing made one of its few accurate comments.

[Bing wrote:]

You are correct. Shoshenq I, also known as Shishak in the Bible...(etc. etc.) .... ...Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Now that ('thanks for bringing it to my attention') is amusing to me.

 

[Halbhh]

Chatbots cannot lie instead they hallucinate.
ChatGPT's hallucination has resulted in it having the dubious honour of being the first chatbot to be sued for defamation.
Experts are in a quandary if non sentient chatbots are open to legal prosecution.

Made me laugh at first. Often when people defame others it's often just by wrong guessing. Applying stereotypes -- which are going to be wrong pretty often, etc.

Or another thing that comes to mind is the commonplace (everywhere) ad hominems in internet forums -- any way of disparaging characterizing another person (which is extremely common in internet forums) -- it's a bit like a chatbot program has taken over the attacking person's brain, isn't it?

So, in a way, these chatbot posts remind me of just commonplace posts that many individuals make.

 

[FireDragon76]

I tried to play a chess game with ChatGPT (which uses GPT-3) recently, and it would play a few good moves, then forget the board position. It was like playing a grandmaster with Alzheimer's. I had it analyze one of my games I played with a Chessmaster 11 personality, but I think it was mistaken about a sacrifice the engine made, saying that it was futile (21 ... Nxe2).

Game study

A chess study by Firedragon761138

lichess.org

Engine analysis with both Chessmaster 11 and Stockfish 16 shows that GPT-3 was in error, and the CM engine personality gained some space in a cramped position and the sacrifice was sound. It lost due to an innacuracy with an f pawn, not the sacrifice as ChatGPT claimed. The personality BTW is Josh Waitzkin Age 6, 1200 Elo... but on my machine it plays with the tactical depth of an 1800 level player, and I've only beaten it a few times. CM's TheKing350 is an engine that's over a decade and a half old, and it is at least 300 points stronger on modern hardware

I heard from another chessplayer who is testing out GPT-4 (which costs $$$ to use) that GPT-4 is better, that it can actually play chess games and annotate them accurately, without constantly forgetting or hallucinating what it is doing. GTP-3 can annotate games but the analysis appears flawed, below even what a rudimentary chess engine can produce. It doesn't seem to have real insight into chess.

I've run Lc0 also, especially the Maia weights, which are trained to make human mistakes and therefore result in human-like play. Lc0 is an amazing chess engine, and comes up with some creative chess games. Whereas Stockfish feels more mechanical, Leela actually feels like you are playing against a Paul Morphy type personality given to spectacular and creative play. The only downside is that to truly shine, Lc0 depends on some beefy hardware and isn't the most energy-efficient way to do simple brute-force analysis, where Stockfish really shines.