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Apologies Matt, I didn't take note of who first used the term. I would have thought that to be in communion with Rome a denomination would need to accept RC doctrines such as Immaculate Conception and Papal Infallibility, but I may be wrong about that.
I might do more looking into that - I'd actually be interested, and the CofE is one that has been the more enigmatic in terms of both history and theology.Absolutely! Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary Tudor, Elizabeth I - lots of martyrs on both Catholic and Church of England sides. Foxe's book of martyrs. Gunpowder Plot. An interesting period of History!
C of E didn't start out that Protestant - Henry just didn't like that the Pope wouldn't grant him a divorce so declared himself head of the Church in England. But other than that the beliefs were consistent with Rome for a while (until influences from the Protestant reformation on the continent filtered over) and England even turned back to Catholicism for a short while under Mary I.
for one, my pastor and bishop say the same thing. for two, the loving thing to do to the heretic, is to point out the heresy.
and my confessor pulls his hair out in frustration because of me, but not because of my stance on Rome and those in her communion.
no need to take personal cheap shots, come on now.
Calling me a heretic, just because I have learned the stability of the Roman Church is just as cheap a shot--maybe more.
However, I have also heard of the instability of the Orthodox Churches here in America. I have heard of one monastic superior saying to his small flock, "I'm retiring, and the monastery building is up for sale. I'm going to live in the rectory. I have no idea what you will do, but you can't stay here. You have two weeks.
I've heard of several bishops who took this poor monk, shuttled him from pillar to post, promised ordination to the diaconate and priesthood, and then dropped him.
Or let's talk about the Greek Archdiocese here in America that won't even allow a non-Greek into the building.
Then there's a monastery that won't allow an Eastern Catholic Bishop to enter for a tour, and to join them in celebrating Vespers.
There are many other stories that I could post, but you're right, I won't take any cheap shots.
as a non-Greek who has been to many a non Greek parish, a few monasteries, and their seminary, I know this is not true.
You misquoted--I said a non-Greek is not allowed to enter the building of a GREEK Church--even if they be Russian Orthodox already.
not a cheap shot if it's true.
that simply isn't true.
Perhaps you should. You are trying to ride two horses at the same time--which is inherently uncomfortable-- and then scold us Orthodox for preferring to ride just one and encouraging others to do the same. One cannot be Orthodox in communion with Rome.I'm not listening!
You misquoted--I said a non-Greek is not allowed to enter the building of a GREEK Church--even if they be Russian Orthodox already.
Good Bye!
As was II was married in a Greek parish.
Just a tadThis thread is now off topic surely?
In that case you accept doctrinal plurality in the One Church, which is even more against our beliefs.HONK! Your wrong!
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