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[Hank77]

Are you suggesting this is common for black people who live in affluent neighborhoods? Because I can assure you it is not.

No, I'm pointing out that this police officer harassed these black men because he was stereotyping. It's wrong to assume that because of someone's skin color they couldn't possibly own property in an affluent neighborhood.
This has happened to other black people, the black professor walking down the sidewalk at night in his neighborhood, another entering his own home, etc.

 

[Ken-1122]

The sad thing is that there is likely no harassment policy and many police departments don't hold officers accountable for such actions even if such a policy does exist. and there is where the structural racism exists.

No; structural racism would be a policy of harassment not failure to catch and punish those who violate the Law Enforcement Oath of honor

 

[Ken-1122]

is what he said true? or is it something you would rather not be true?

What he said is untrue.

 

[Ken-1122]

No, I'm pointing out that this police officer harassed these black men because he was stereotyping. It's wrong to assume that because of someone's skin color they couldn't possibly own property in an affluent neighborhood.
This has happened to other black people, the black professor walking down the sidewalk at night in his neighborhood, another entering his own home, etc.

Were these people new to the neighborhood? There are some neighborhoods where the cops know the people living there. If a cop see’s someone he does not recognize, this is going to get his attention. If a person recently moves into the neighborhood, this will get the cops attention.

 

[Hammster]

No, I'm pointing out that this police officer harassed these black men because he was stereotyping. It's wrong to assume that because of someone's skin color they couldn't possibly own property in an affluent neighborhood.
This has happened to other black people, the black professor walking down the sidewalk at night in his neighborhood, another entering his own home, etc.

I have no doubt that this is true. However, that’s not an indication of systemic racism.

 

[Quartermaine]

No; structural racism would be a policy of harassment not failure to catch and punish those who violate the Law Enforcement Oath of honor

"The term structural racism refers to a system in which public policies, institutional practices, cultural representations and other norms work in various, often reinforcing ways to perpetuate racial group inequity….the structural racism lens allows us to see that, as a society, we more or less take for granted a context of white leadership, dominance, and privilege. This dominant consensus on race is the frame that shapes our attitudes and judgments about social issues. It has come about as a result of the way that historically accumulated white privilege, national values, and contemporary culture have interacted so as to preserve the gaps between white Americans and Americans of color." REF

the lack of rules against harassment and the absence of consequences is itself a policy. ITs not a failure to hold those who engages in such behavior accountable, as if it just slips through the cracks, it is an active disregard for harassment.

 

[Quartermaine]

What he said is untrue.

the statement about James you are referring to may itself be false

 

[Hammster]

"The term structural racism refers to a system in which public policies, institutional practices, cultural representations and other norms work in various, often reinforcing ways to perpetuate racial group inequity….the structural racism lens allows us to see that, as a society, we more or less take for granted a context of white leadership, dominance, and privilege. This dominant consensus on race is the frame that shapes our attitudes and judgments about social issues. It has come about as a result of the way that historically accumulated white privilege, national values, and contemporary culture have interacted so as to preserve the gaps between white Americans and Americans of color." REF

the lack of rules against harassment and the absence of consequences is itself a policy. ITs not a failure to hold those who engages in such behavior accountable, as if it just slips through the cracks, it is an active disregard for harassment.

Let’s say that the last part is true (the first part is just myth since white privilege is a myth). If there are no rules against harassment, then in policing, those rules are equal amongst all cops, not just white ones. So harassment has nothing to do with melanin levels. Any cop can harass any person they want to harass. And if that’s true, then there’s no structural racism.

 

[Ken-1122]

"The term structural racism refers to a system in which public policies, institutional practices, cultural representations and other norms work in various, often reinforcing ways to perpetuate racial group inequity….the structural racism lens allows us to see that, as a society, we more or less take for granted a context of white leadership, dominance, and privilege.

White leadership, dominance, and privilege? How about when this happens when there is black leadership, dominance, and privilege? Lemme give you an example;
The Freddy Gray death in Baltimore resulted in riots, but at the time they had a black police chief, a mostly minority police force, the mayor was black, the President (Obama) was black, the attorney general (Holder) was black, the vast majority of the City Counsel was minority, and they were all Democrats! Kinda hard to blame that on Structural racism against blacks when blacks are in a position of leadership, dominance and privilege don't cha think? Perhaps it was something else.

 

[Ken-1122]

the statement about James you are referring to may itself be false

The link you provided supports much of what I said about James. Exactly what did I say that you disagree with?

 

[Quartermaine]

Let’s say that the last part is true (the first part is just myth since white privilege is a myth).

denying the truth of something won't make it go away.

If there are no rules against harassment, then in policing, those rules are equal amongst all cops, not just white ones. So harassment has nothing to do with melanin levels. Any cop can harass any person they want to harass. And if that’s true, then there’s no structural racism.

as noted it's not just the written or lack of written rules but the entrenched cultural norms and expectations


in the above mentioned example of harassment if the new homeowners driving through an affluent neighborhood were white they wouldn't have been treated the same way but more to the point the actions of the police would not have been excused or diminished as it is being done here.

 

[Quartermaine]

The link you provided supports much of what I said about James. Exactly what did I say that you disagree with?

the fact check found that James' statement was both highly edited and taken out of context and the full statement in context relays a very different message.
what exactly in James' statement are you claiming is a lie?

 

[Quartermaine]

White leadership, dominance, and privilege? How about when this happens when there is black leadership, dominance, and privilege? Lemme give you an example;
The Freddy Gray death in Baltimore resulted in riots, but at the time they had a black police chief, a mostly minority police force, the mayor was black, the President (Obama) was black, the attorney general (Holder) was black, the vast majority of the City Counsel was minority, and they were all Democrats! Kinda hard to blame that on Structural racism against blacks when blacks are in a position of leadership, dominance and privilege don't cha think? Perhaps it was something else.

how was it the country of South Africa embraced apartheid for so many decades?

 

[Hammster]

denying the truth of something won't make it go away.

I agree.

as noted it's not just the written or lack of written rules but the entrenched cultural norms and expectations


in the above mentioned example of harassment if the new homeowners driving through an affluent neighborhood were white they wouldn't have been treated the same way but more to the point the actions of the police would not have been excused or diminished as it is being done here.

I agree. White folks probably wouldn’t be harassed. And not every officer would have harassed black people. None of this proves that systemic racism is true. It just shows that some cops aren’t good cops.

 

[Ken-1122]

the fact check found that James' statement was both highly edited and taken out of context and the full statement in context relays a very different message.
what exactly in James' statement are you claiming is a lie?

I never claimed that statement was a lie. Go back and read what I actually said.

 

[Ken-1122]

how was it the country of South Africa embraced apartheid for so many decades?

Under Apartheid in South Africa, did they have a black President, Black attorney general, black police chief, majority black police force, and vast majority of city counsel black? If not than how can you compare Baltimore to South Africa?

 

[Quartermaine]

I agree.


I agree. White folks probably wouldn’t be harassed. And not every officer would have harassed black people. None of this proves that systemic racism is true. It just shows that some cops aren’t good cops.

if only it were just about harassment

 

[Quartermaine]

I never claimed that statement was a lie. Go back and read what I actually said.

What he said is untrue.

 

[Quartermaine]

Under Apartheid in South Africa, did they have a black President, Black attorney general, black police chief, majority black police force, and vast majority of city counsel black? If not than how can you compare Baltimore to South Africa?

institutionalized racism

 

[Hammster]

if only it were just about harassment

Funny how that works. I address your concern, and then “but wait, there’s more!” comes out.