All Israel is saved

[Buzz_B]

Concerning ISRAEL (THE NATION), does not encompass jurdistionally but a smidgen of what God promised Abraham.

And that will NEVER be settled BY MEN.
Because MEN can NOT solve a Spiritual Dispute Among men, diplomatically, via war, or otherwise.

Men try and try to solve Spiritual issues with Worldly Solutions, and it a FAIL.

That LAND issue will only be solved BY GOD.

The PEOPLE, of "ISRAEL" (Jacob), is what God
Is looking to SAVE. SAVE them ALL.
ALL who come to the Lord in heart felt belief, shall be saved, and they ARE "ALL" "OF" ISRAEL..."ALL" "OF" Jacob, Issac, Abraham.
Jews and Gentiles, WHO have or will during their life (blood) time, come to Believe in their heart, Jesus is the Word of God/ Son of God.
Gentiles becoming OF ISRAEL, OF Jacob, by Promise, given Abraham.

God Bless,
SBC

God's promise to Abraham was actually the entire earth. Modern Israel does just occupy a smidgin of the old territory but modern Israel is a complete man-made political creation and has nothing to do with the Scriptures other than an attempt by Satan to confuse minds so as to keep them from seeing what the Scriptures really teach. And that does not mean that a remnant does not come also from modern Israel. But the vast majority are not true blood Jews as i explained earlier. I know my heritage.

And no, God is not showing respect of persons in violation of who he is. He is not saving all descendants of Jacob but only as many as will repent, just as for all peoples.

Many make mountains out of molehills. They take expression like as, "loved Jacob but hated Esau" as though emotional based affection. But it refers not to his emotions but to his actions, For love and hate are both primarily verbs. One does not even have to like someone to love them. Nor does anyone have to dislike someone to hate them. It is what we do toward them which constitutes either one.

that is the problem in the world today. People divorce claiming to have fallen out of love. Bologna! Love never fails, as Paul said at 1 Cor 13:8, because it is a commitment the faithful will not be untrue to performing. Similarly, God does not fail to keep his commitments, but the ungodly do and when they refuse to allow themselves to be corrected he let's them go the way of their desire even knowing he will have to destroy them for their unwillingness to repent. Pleading for them to repent is mercy but not knowing when to let go is human weakness.



Yes the love of the ungodly fails. They have no commitment in them. They do not know true godly loyalty.

 

[ClementofA]

Yes, love never fails. But wickedness is not love and does fail. It fails so badly that those who are so completely dead-set against converting to God's love vanish like smoke. Not because God's love failed, but because their stubborn refusal caused them to reap what they sowed.

If God created people who can self-destruct like smoke without Him destroying them (which is how Scripture puts it), then that implies that He chose to create them in a manner in which that could occur, rather than in an enduring way so that He could continue to love & draw them no matter what they did, and eventually save them, no matter how long it took. His love for humans doesn't expire so quickly, like a carton of milk.

You have this unrealistic Idea that unwittingly blames God for their choice to fail. And yet God saw to it in his written word that you were told time and time again, "the end of such things is death."

Death is a spiritual thing & sinning reaps more & more of it. Till one reaches bottom & cries out to their Saviour.

But you then proceed to create your own fairytale concerning even that by creating a multitude of ages the Bible speaks nothing of and essentially calling God a liar.

Scripture speaks of multiple future ages beyond the present one. How many is not specified. But it's at least two. The millennium is coming. Thereafter the age of the 2nd death till it is abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

"Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead."

You even found a way to fairytale the lake of fire away from being the symbol of everlasting destruction of the life of persons, as it really is.

See Scripture above. The LOF is nowhere said to be what you describe.


https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

 

[GenemZ]

If you are implying that those whom Paul said were not really Israel are sons of Esau, you are seriously mistaking and taking a stand which sides with remaining rebellious non-Christian Jews who invented that farcical claim. "Not all OF Jacob", means unequivocally, "Not all born of Jacob", and is definitely referring to the progenitor.

Not what I was saying. I was simply citing where two people shared the same genes of Abraham and Isaac, and both were not Jews.

Edit: Just to add a thought, another passage which those of us who wish to twist the Scriptures in support our selves misinterpret, is, Romans 2:28-19

You simply misunderstood what I was saying and then ran for a hook to hang it on. I was simply stating that an example of not all Israel is Israel? Could be seen in the one example of Jacob and Esau.

I was born a Jew Not all of my relatives are believers. Today, we could say not all are Christians. During the Tribulation when God brings Judaism back to the forefront of evangelism, Jews who believe at that time will still be Jews. Jews who believe in Jesus. And, not all Israel will believe. Therefore, not all Israel will be Israel.

Today if a Jew believes in Christ? He is no longer Israel. He has become a new creation in Christ. So, Paul was not referring to the Church age Jews.

During the Tribulation? Judaism will be once more the way God will evangelize the world...through believer Jews. In that day all Israel will be saved. They will enter into the Millennium and form the new nation Israel.

All Jews during the Tribulation who will refuse to believe, are not Israel, even though they may have been Jews by birth. When Paul speaks of Israel he speaks of the nation of Jews to come. Paul did not say all Jews are not Jews. He said all Israel is not Israel. Israel will be the future capital nation of the world when the Millennium reign takes place.

In the mean time their is neither Jew nor Gentile when someone believes in Jesus Christ today. Jews today who believe in Jesus become the Bride of Christ... and no longer have anything to do with being Israel in the future.

 

[Buzz_B]

If God created people who can self-destruct like smoke without Him destroying them (which is how Scripture puts it), then that implies that He chose to create them in a manner in which that could occur, rather than in an enduring way so that He could continue to love & draw them no matter what they did, and eventually save them, no matter how long it took. His love for humans doesn't expire so quickly, like a carton of milk.

You caught an ambiguity, hey. But you did not care to try to understand what I really meant. So why should I tell you? That is what Jesus would tell you, realizing you are just looking for faults to entrap. They vanish like smoke because their life eventually runs out and is gone.

I have no intentions of laboring too hard to try to help you understand. I do not really believe that to be what you are even about.

 

[Buzz_B]

Not what I was saying. I was simply citing where two people shared the same genes of Abraham and Isaac, and both were not Jews.



You simply misunderstood what I was saying and then ran for a hook to hang it on. I was simply stating that an example of not all Israel is Israel? Could be seen in the one example of Jacob and Esau.

I was born a Jew Not all of my relatives are believers. Today, we could say not all are Christians. During the Tribulation when God brings Judaism back to the forefront of evangelism, Jews who believe at that time will still be Jews. Jews who believe in Jesus. And, not all Israel will believe. Therefore, not all Israel will be Israel.

Today if a Jew believes in Christ? He is no longer Israel. He has become a new creation in Christ. So, Paul was not referring to the Church age Jews.

During the Tribulation? Judaism will be once more the way God will evangelize the world...through believer Jews. In that day all Israel will be saved. They will enter into the Millennium and form the new nation Israel.

All Jews during the Tribulation who will refuse to believe, are not Israel, even though they may have been Jews by birth. When Paul speaks of Israel he speaks of the nation of Jews to come. Paul did not say all Jews are not Jews. He said all Israel is not Israel. Israel will be the future capital nation of the world when the Millennium reign takes place.

In the mean time their is neither Jew nor Gentile when someone believes in Jesus Christ today. Jews today who believe in Jesus become the Bride of Christ... and no longer have anything to do with being Israel in the future.

Thank you. I am a Jew also which you probably already knew because i had my picture posted for a while and most people can tell it just by looking at me. But Judaism is not coming back. And I now see quite clearly what the problem between us is. I am also a firstborn which gives added reason I could wish that much of these things were true.

I would like to address the rest of what you said further when I get the time to deliberate on it more closely. But in no way do I believe that the old elements of this world will be established again, which is all Judaism was. Judaism was not founded by God but by the Jews as men. It was but another denomination entwine with a human created form of government and is not synonymous with being a Jew just because it became the common mode of government most men rallied to.

I mean, as a Jew you surely are familiar with how the Rabbinical belief came about concerning a right to interpret God's law so that their interpretation was the law.

 

[Buzz_B]

Exodus 14:13 “Moses said to the people, “Don't be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of Yahweh, which he will work for you today: for the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you shall never see them again.”

Never see them again? Wait one minute, ClemtofA and Soar Like and Eagle claim God is going to save literally all human souls. That surely could not have been what Moses believed. For he was certain, “the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you shall never see them again.”

Psalms 37

1 (By David.) Don't fret because of evil-doers, Neither be envious against those who work unrighteousness.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, And wither like the green herb.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off, But those who wait for Yahweh shall inherit the land.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more. Yes, though you look for his place, he isn't there.
11 But the humble shall inherit the land, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

18 Yahweh knows the days of the perfect. Their inheritance shall be forever.
19 They shall not be disappointed in the time of evil. In the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish. The enemies of Yahweh shall be like the beauty of the fields. They will vanish— Vanish like smoke.

22 For such as are blessed by him shall inherit the land. Those who are cursed by him shall be cut off.

27 Depart from evil, and do good; Live securely forever.
28 For Yahweh loves justice, And doesn't forsake his saints. They are preserved forever, But the children of the wicked shall be cut off.

29 The righteous shall inherit the land, And live in it forever.

34 Wait for Yahweh, and keep his way, And he will exalt you to inherit the land. When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.

37 Mark the perfect man, and see the upright, For there is a future for the man of peace.
38 As for transgressors, they shall be destroyed together. The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

Indeed if it were true what ClementofA and Soar Like And Eagle claim, surely our loving Father would directly say so somewhere in the Scriptures but he does not.
There are a few places which can be twisted as meaning that but a closer look always proves the idea wrong. As verse 20 above shows, the wicked pass away as does smoke as clearly contrasted to the righteous person who lives forever because he chose to do right. That contrast would be meaningless if the wicked person was not indeed gone forever.

 

[Buzz_B]

No I quoted a scripture about false teachers like you who damn people
that is Babylonian teaching as well as from Rome. I do not damn people you do and this verse is address false teachers like you. You are the so called Greek expert.

Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable (the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell) heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Damn…. Strong's NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): destroying, utter destruction
a perishing, ruin, destruction

I am revisiting this post because it seems to be a contradiction of what you believe.

You say on one hand that you do not believe anyone is not going to be saved. On the other hand you said to me, quote, "I do not damn people you do and this verse is address false teachers like you. Peter 2:1 ....
Damn…. Strong's NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): destroying, utter destruction a perishing, ruin, destruction"

Well, if it be true that no one is not going to be saved, then how can I possibly damn anyone and why do you say such things as that? I may just as well preach whatever I want to preach and not even consult the Scriptures to guide me, for ultimately it will make little or no difference according to you?

But thank you for contributing to proving it is not true that literally all will be eventually saved.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

I am revisiting this post because it seems to be a contradiction of what you believe.

You say on one hand that you do not believe anyone is not going to be saved. On the other hand you said to me, quote, "I do not damn people you do and this verse is address false teachers like you. Peter 2:1 ....
Damn…. Strong's NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): destroying, utter destruction a perishing, ruin, destruction"

Well, if it be true that no one is not going to be saved, then how can I possibly damn anyone and why do you say such things as that? I may just as well preach whatever I want to preach and not even consult the Scriptures to guide me, for ultimately it will make little or no difference according to you?

But thank you for contributing to proving it is not true that literally all will be eventually saved.

Obviously you have no idea what I believe. I never said "I do not believe anyone is not going to be saved", and if I did it was a type-o I missed. I believe ultimately all will be saved and that is not a type-o.

No I do not damn people but the translation of this verse does and that is why I used it for the harsh language. I do believe God is going to punish the wicked that includes goat believers as this verse declares but yes I hate the word 'damn" and this is a bad translation for this reason. I prefer "judge worthy of punishment" and the word punishment means prune, chastise which is really a good thing for we will all go though God's glorious spiritual fire.

Strong's Concordance

katakrinó: to give judgment against

Original Word: κατακρίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katakrinó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ak-ree'-no)
Short Definition: I condemn
Definition: I condemn, judge worthy of punishment.

2632 katakrínō(from 2596 /katá, "down, according to" intensifying 2919 /krínō, "judge") – properly, judge down, i.e. issue a penalty (exactly condemn); to judge someone "decisively (decidedly) as guilty."

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

Exodus 14:13 “Moses said to the people, “Don't be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of Yahweh, which he will work for you today: for the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you shall never see them again.”

Never see them again? Wait one minute, ClemtofA and Soar Like and Eagle claim God is going to save literally all human souls. That surely could not have been what Moses believed. For he was certain, “the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you shall never see them again.”

Psalms 37

1 (By David.) Don't fret because of evil-doers, Neither be envious against those who work unrighteousness.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, And wither like the green herb.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off, But those who wait for Yahweh shall inherit the land.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more. Yes, though you look for his place, he isn't there.
11 But the humble shall inherit the land, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

18 Yahweh knows the days of the perfect. Their inheritance shall be forever.
19 They shall not be disappointed in the time of evil. In the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish. The enemies of Yahweh shall be like the beauty of the fields. They will vanish— Vanish like smoke.

22 For such as are blessed by him shall inherit the land. Those who are cursed by him shall be cut off.

27 Depart from evil, and do good; Live securely forever.
28 For Yahweh loves justice, And doesn't forsake his saints. They are preserved forever, But the children of the wicked shall be cut off.

29 The righteous shall inherit the land, And live in it forever.

34 Wait for Yahweh, and keep his way, And he will exalt you to inherit the land. When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.

37 Mark the perfect man, and see the upright, For there is a future for the man of peace.
38 As for transgressors, they shall be destroyed together. The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

Indeed if it were true what ClementofA and Soar Like And Eagle claim, surely our loving Father would directly say so somewhere in the Scriptures but he does not.
There are a few places which can be twisted as meaning that but a closer look always proves the idea wrong. As verse 20 above shows, the wicked pass away as does smoke as clearly contrasted to the righteous person who lives forever because he chose to do right. That contrast would be meaningless if the wicked person was not indeed gone forever.

First of all you totally ignored my post on the Tabernacle of David as well as not addressed my baby goat as well as spin all the verses we posted on the ultimate salvation of all people.

As well as the following verse
"Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water." (I Pet.3:18-20).


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

preaching.

From kerusso; a proclamation (especially of the gospel; by implication, the gospel itself) -- preaching.

see GREEK kerusso

Yes the wicked souls will be punished, pruned, judged etc but the spirit will return to God who gave it though SaviorS who will come out of mount Zion in the ages top come.

 

[Buzz_B]

Not what I was saying. I was simply citing where two people shared the same genes of Abraham and Isaac, and both were not Jews.

You simply misunderstood what I was saying and then ran for a hook to hang it on. I was simply stating that an example of not all Israel is Israel? Could be seen in the one example of Jacob and Esau.

Being as there was no Israel until Jacob's name was changed to Israel, how does that show what you say? Even Isaac would not have been Israel.

Let us turn to Paul's words at Galatians 4:24 “Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.”

My point is that all of that was used by God to form a living allegory, what some call typologies. Abraham represent God and Isaac God's heavenly Son. Jacob represent God's Son come in the flesh as Jesus who proved to be the absolute best and completely perfect clinger with God per the meaning of the name God gave to Jacob, “Israel.”

So why did God give that name, “Israel”, to one whose name, “Jacob”, meant pretty much the complete opposite? This is the typology for God turning away sin from Jacob. Jesus bore the sins of Jacob's children and that is the typology of turning away ungodliness from Jacob. But because it is an allegory it applies spiritually. All men who are like the flawed Jacob represent the unjust of all men who will be resurrected to the thousand year judgment reign of Christ. And all men who are like the clinger Israel will be during that thousand years like Jesus before he took upon himself our sins.

And this does exclude the wicked. They are “judged already.” John 3:18

 

[Buzz_B]

First of all you totally ignored my post on the Tabernacle of David as well as not addressed my baby goat as well as spin all the verses we posted on the ultimate salvation of all people.

As well as the following verse
"Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water." (I Pet.3:18-20).


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

preaching.

From kerusso; a proclamation (especially of the gospel; by implication, the gospel itself) -- preaching.

see GREEK kerusso

Yes the wicked souls will be punished, pruned, judged etc but the spirit will return to God who gave it though SaviorS who will come out of mount Zion in the ages top come.

Yes, "a proclamation", which is also a declaration. It is more than euangelizo in what its purpose is.

euangelizo is the Greek word for mere preaching.

And you are still wrong because you are assuming that the immortal soul doctrine is true so that the spirits of dead humans could be preached to or have anything declared to them.

One would think you would stop becoming offended and want to really look at the Bible. As old as you are you should know by now how easy it is to think we see something in writing which ultimately proves not to be there. By your time of life you should have memories of looking at certain writings ten or twenty times and then to your surprise suddenly seeing you were wrong all of that time. And if you have not had that experience it proves you never really get around to unbiased evaluation of anything. But my faith in you does not want to believe that.

 

[Buzz_B]

No I do not damn people but the translation of this verse does and that is why I used it for the harsh language. I do believe God is going to punish the wicked that includes goat believers as this verse declares but yes I hate the word 'damn" and this is a bad translation for this reason. I prefer "judge worthy of punishment" and the word punishment means prune, chastise which is really a good thing for we will all go though God's glorious spiritual fire.

Strong's Concordance

katakrinó: to give judgment against

Original Word: κατακρίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katakrinó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ak-ree'-no)
Short Definition: I condemn
Definition: I condemn, judge worthy of punishment.

2632 katakrínō(from 2596 /katá, "down, according to" intensifying 2919 /krínō, "judge") – properly, judge down, i.e. issue a penalty (exactly condemn); to judge someone "decisively (decidedly) as guilty."

It is true that a katakrino does not limit the kind of punishment to a particular thing for the kind of needed punishment is decide as a part of of the krino. But apoleia is the word for damnable at 2 Peter 2:1 and the verse clerly goes onto say, "and bring upon themselves swift destruction." The word destruction there being also apoleia which also means "to perish."

Do you need me to explain to you what "perish" means?

Why do you fight our God of justice? Do you believe it is wrong that God pays back evil eye for eye, in accord to evils destruction of life?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

Yes, "a proclamation", which is also a declaration. It is more than euangelizo in what its purpose is.

euangelizo is the Greek word for mere preaching.

And you are still wrong because you are assuming that the immortal soul doctrine is true so that the spirits of dead humans could be preached to or have anything declared to them.

One would think you would stop becoming offended and want to really look at the Bible. As old as you are you should know by now how easy it is to think we see something in writing which ultimately proves not to be there. By your time of life you should have memories of looking at certain writings ten or twenty times and then to your surprise suddenly seeing you were wrong all of that time. And if you have not had that experience it proves you never really get around to unbiased evaluation of anything. But my faith in you does not want to believe that.

So what did Jesus preached to theses Spirits? Hell? torture? death?
Why would Jesus bother?
He quicken them or made them alive same word as in Ephesian 2 when it comes to the context of salvation.

I am looking at the Bible are you? So why and what did Jesus preach to these poor rejected spirits in prison during the time of Noah?

You said: "And you are still wrong because you are assuming that the immortal soul doctrine is true so that the spirits of dead humans could be preached to or have anything declared to them."

That is what happened here.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

Yes the flesh man will perish but not the spirit of man to which we all are God's children made in his image and likeness. The soul need to be saved that is why we have God's spiritual fire.

 

[Buzz_B]

So what did Jesus preached to theses Spirits? Hell? torture? death?
Why would Jesus bother?
He quicken them or made them alive same word as in Ephesian 2 when it comes to the context of salvation.

I am looking at the Bible are you? So why and what did Jesus preach to these poor rejected spirits in prison during the time of Noah?

You said: "And you are still wrong because you are assuming that the immortal soul doctrine is true so that the spirits of dead humans could be preached to or have anything declared to them."

That is what happened here.

Try looking to the Bible sometime with an emptied heart so that you might actually see what is there.

I don't know what else to tell you because you still most certainly are carrying forward Greek mythology in place of the Scriptures with that immortal soul doctrine. if that were a true doctrine there would be no need of us putting on immortality in the future as Paul says at 1 Cor 15. for life would come to the body via the soul.

 

[Buzz_B]

Yes the flesh man will perish but not the spirit of man to which we all are God's children made in his image and likeness. The soul need to be saved that is why we have God's spiritual fire.

OK, that provides useful info to give us a direction to proceed. So now lets vist the Scriptures to see what we can learn about mans spirit.

Here, I will begin for you:
Psalms 143:7 'Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.'

Psalms 146:4 "His breath [ru'ahh, Heb .] goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day
his thoughts perish ."

That belief concerning the spirit of man is also pagan.

 

[Buzz_B]

I thought perhaps I should share this here. I wrote it in response to someone in another thread:

(1) What other people say is very often extremely open to interpretation so that what one sees as unloving another sees as just free expression which, by its lack of fear that it will offend, actually shows the superior faith of love toward others.

(2)Creating excessive rules to limit peoples free expression toward others only weakens men by sheltering them in an unrealistic shell which prevents them from ever learning to deal gracefully with others criticisms. Thus they stay what is called, "thin skinned." Weak. Easily offended because they have never been able to gain the needed experience to control their own emotions.

(3) Love that never grows strong enough to handle the words of others is, very simply put, love that never grows strong. And thus it is love that fails for it has no power to endure testing.

Summation: Love manages to become strong and be truly enduring when people learn to criticize themselves for the offense they jump to before criticizing the perceived offender. That would be doing what Jesus said at Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Did Jesus just offend you? Was that unloving of Jesus to say?

And by the way, don't kid your self, love does have limits. As Solomon said:
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: .............................
Ecclesiastes 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

Try looking to the Bible sometime with an emptied heart so that you might actually see what is there.

I don't know what else to tell you because you still most certainly are carrying forward Greek mythology in place of the Scriptures with that immortal soul doctrine. if that were a true doctrine there would be no need of us putting on immortality in the future as Paul says at 1 Cor 15. for life would come to the body via the soul.

This is seriously your problem you are not open. You totally rejected the baby goat, the tabernacle of David and other points of ultimate salvation in fact refuse to even address them.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

OK, that provides useful info to give us a direction to proceed. So now lets vist the Scriptures to see what we can learn about mans spirit.

Here, I will begin for you:
Psalms 143:7 'Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.'

Psalms 146:4 "His breath [ru'ahh, Heb .] goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day
his thoughts perish ."

That belief concerning the spirit of man is also pagan.

Do you even read your Bible? Talk about not being open????

Ecclesiastes 12: 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.


“There is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding” (Job 32:8).


Yes the breath of life was placed into Adam after God lowered him from the realm pure spirit, to the realm of dust (serpent food)


In Genesis 2:16-27. God is a Spirit and if we were made in His image which is spirit; that is when man became a spirit and who knows how long Adam was pure spirit. This all happened on the six day(what ever that means?) ; it was a totally new day the seventh day that God made man from the dust of the earth and a living soul; New day new experience in Adam different phases in His creation. Man was a spirit first and then and only then is he lowered to from pure spirit to dust, and soulish man.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

This is a serious point and shows how you are seriously not open to truth. The idea man has no spirit takes a big chunk out of your scriptural and spiritual understanding. It is no wonder you reject so much of scripture that does not fit your bias. How many times have I express man's spirit is dead to the realm of God?