All Israel is saved

[Buzz_B]

This is a serious point and shows how you are seriously not open to truth. The idea man has no spirit takes a big chunk out of your scriptural and spiritual understanding. It is no wonder you reject so much of scripture that does not fit your bias. How many times have I express man's spirit is dead to the realm of God?

How should one respond to nonsense? Most of what you speak in the vein of defense for that false doctrine you prize is sheer nonsense.

II can see clearly why it is wrong and I do not need my own words for the reasons are directly spoken in Scripture as compared to you having to squeeze verses until you can get your idea out of them in support of that bogus idea you cling to. But if you can't and you prove resistant to my helping you then perhaps it is just not God's time for you to see. Perhaps there will come a time.

So in view of the evident blockade we have impasse I would suggest we just stop pushing at each other concerning that particular belief and move on peacefully to other areas of discussion where we might be more encouraging to each other.

I mean look at what you said. You falsely claim I say a man has no spirit just because we disagree about what that spirit is that man does have. That is sheer childish nonsense signaling that it is time to give this subject a break.

 

[Buzz_B]

Do you even read your Bible? Talk about not being open????

Ecclesiastes 12: 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.


“There is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding” (Job 32:8).


Yes the breath of life was placed into Adam after God lowered him from the realm pure spirit, to the realm of dust (serpent food)


In Genesis 2:16-27. God is a Spirit and if we were made in His image which is spirit; that is when man became a spirit and who knows how long Adam was pure spirit. This all happened on the six day(what ever that means?) ; it was a totally new day the seventh day that God made man from the dust of the earth and a living soul; New day new experience in Adam different phases in His creation. Man was a spirit first and then and only then is he lowered to from pure spirit to dust, and soulish man.

And this repeating yourself is further proof we just need to let this subject go beside, for a while anyway. Maybe we will find we can take it back up later and maybe we won't. But disagreeing about it is getting old.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

OK, that provides useful info to give us a direction to proceed. So now lets vist the Scriptures to see what we can learn about mans spirit.

Here, I will begin for you:
Psalms 143:7 'Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.'

Psalms 146:4 "His breath [ru'ahh, Heb .] goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day
his thoughts perish ."

That belief concerning the spirit of man is also pagan.

These verses were written by David one of the most amazing people from the Old Testament that was called and chosen as a child a man who not only ruled and reigned over all of natural Israel but had the Ark of God where he ruled and reigned as the tent or Tabernacle of David. If anyone had God's Spirit in the OT it was David. I agreed it had not been poured out yet for the day of Pentecost had not fully come that would happen century's later but this man walked and talked with God that i am jealous of and I have God's Spirit for nearly 50 years. So yes David's spirit failed yet what an amazing spiritual walk this man showed us because glory of God being at Zion.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

You said..."That belief concerning the spirit of man is also pagan."

 

[Buzz_B]

You said..."That belief concerning the spirit of man is also pagan."

I meant that belief that man has a conscious spirit after death is a pagan belief. I meant "that" meaning what you were saying about it. But you are right that was a poor way to say it.

We could head that direction for a while if you would like to and I will dig up from my notes why I believe that man has no conscious spirit which lives on after death. Would you like to do that?

By the way, I apologize for that mistake, which was my fault for sure, thus clearly making me responsible for what you said which was untrue about me.

Sorry

 

[SBC]

God's promise to Abraham was actually the entire earth. Modern Israel does just occupy a smidgin of the old territory

Yes it does.

but modern Israel is a complete man-made political creation and has nothing to do with the Scriptures other than an attempt by Satan to confuse minds so as to keep them from seeing what the Scriptures really teach.

Stating how or why, modern Israel came into being, does not change the fact, the land of modern Israel, is only a smidgin of what God Promised them.

And that does not mean that a remnant does not come also from modern Israel.

Already said, it does include, Jews who accept Jesus as the Word of God.
Some Jews TODAY are accepting Jesus as the Word of God.

But the vast majority are not true blood Jews as i explained earlier. I know my heritage.

Why are you trying to correct me, saying what I already said?

And no, God is not showing respect of persons in violation of who he is. He is not saving all descendants of Jacob but only as many as will repent, just as for all peoples.

Already said not ALL descendants of Abraham shall be saved.

Many make mountains out of molehills. They take expression like as, "loved Jacob but hated Esau" as though emotional based affection. But it refers not to his emotions but to his actions, For love and hate are both primarily verbs. One does not even have to like someone to love them. Nor does anyone have to dislike someone to hate them. It is what we do toward them which constitutes either one.

that is the problem in the world today. People divorce claiming to have fallen out of love. Bologna! Love never fails, as Paul said at 1 Cor 13:8, because it is a commitment the faithful will not be untrue to performing. Similarly, God does not fail to keep his commitments, but the ungodly do and when they refuse to allow themselves to be corrected he let's them go the way of their desire even knowing he will have to destroy them for their unwillingness to repent. Pleading for them to repent is mercy but not knowing when to let go is human weakness.

Yes the love of the ungodly fails. They have no commitment in them. They do not know true godly loyalty.

Thank you for telling me other people think.
I told you what I think, and you disagreed, then repeated in your words, what I had already said.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Buzz_B]

Yes it does.



Stating how or why, modern Israel came into being, does not change the fact, the land of modern Israel, is only a smidgin of what God Promised them.



Already said, it does include, Jews who accept Jesus as the Word of God.
Some Jews TODAY are accepting Jesus as the Word of God.




Why are you trying to correct me, saying what I already said?



Already said not ALL descendants of Abraham shall be saved.



Thank you for telling me other people think.
I told you what I think, and you disagreed, then repeated in your words, what I had already said.

God Bless,
SBC

I thought this post was very agreeable. Please forgive me if I seem too course for you. I certainly do not desire to offend you. And much of my perception may well be just that, my perception of what you said. I have no problem admitting that. I know that I am but a mere human.

So once again, please forgive me if I have offended you for I do sincerely apologize and certainly did not mean to offend you.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

I meant that belief that man has a conscious spirit after death is a pagan belief. I meant "that" meaning what you were saying about it. But you are right that was a poor way to say it.

We could head that direction for a while if you would like to and I will dig up from my notes why I believe that man has no conscious spirit which lives on after death. Would you like to do that?

By the way, I apologize for that mistake, which was my fault for sure, thus clearly making me responsible for what you said which was untrue about me.

Sorry

I am always making mistakes.

I do believe those who go with the Lord have a conscious spirit and as I Pet.3:18-20 clearly shows us God can make alive those spirits who were disobedient. As David declared if he can make his bed in Sheol God is there, It sounds like something is going on down under or where ever spirit that a disobedient are? I believe God is omnipresent and where ever God is something amazing is happening

Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. KJV



"Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water." (I Pet.3:18-20).


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

preaching.

From kerusso; a proclamation (especially of the gospel; by implication, the gospel itself) -- preaching.

see GREEK kerusso

 

[SBC]

All Israel is Saved ~

• All "OF" Israel is Saved.
• Israel is Jacob.
• If a man is "OF" Jacob he is like Jacob
• Jacob Believed in the Word of God.
• If a man believes like Jacob he is OF Jacob, having the same Seed AS Jacob, which is; Gods SEED; which is CHRIST.
• Abraham is the earthy Father of ALL
• Who Believe in the Word of God.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

I thought this post was very agreeable. Please forgive me if I seem too course for you. I certainly do not desire to offend you. And much of my perception may well be just that, my perception of what you said. I have no problem admitting that. I know that I am but a mere human.

So once again, please forgive me if I have offended you for I do sincerely apologize and certainly did not mean to offend you.

I am not offended. I find it curious, you stated...

Does not
Does not mean
And no

And find that agreeable.

Perhaps you simply meant to add to what I said, but as it was, you disagreed, then basically repeated what I said in your words.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Buzz_B]

I am always making mistakes.

I do believe those who go with the Lord have a conscious spirit and as I Pet.3:18-20 clearly shows us God can make alive those spirits who were disobedient. As David declared if he can make his bed in Sheol God is there, It sounds like something is going on down under or where ever spirit that a disobedient are? I believe God is omnipresent and where ever God is something amazing is happening

Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. KJV



"Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water." (I Pet.3:18-20).


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

preaching.

From kerusso; a proclamation (especially of the gospel; by implication, the gospel itself) -- preaching.

see GREEK kerusso

(Edit: Thank you for your humble response. I almost forgot to include that. I am definitely human.)

If Christ had indeed gone to imprisoned human spirits it would have had been to far more than just those who sinned while the patience of God waited for man to repent in the days of Noah before the flood. For many people died since then by that time and a lot of them were wicked. And so that right there indicates it means that he had a message from his Father to deliver to the angels that sinned during that time. For those angels too sinned while the patience of God waited in the days of Noah and we have evidence that was why the earth became so incredibly wicked in those days.

Take a simple verse like Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

We know no man after Adam's fall was considered a son of God because Paul tells us:

Romans 8:20-21 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."

And we know that liberation only began taking place as a result of Christ's death and the liberating of men from that futility and into the body of Christ.

Besides that, there is absolutely no good reason to challenge the the sons of God spoken of at Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. For neither Satan nor his angels had yet been ousted from heaven:

Luke 10:18-19 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

And so 2 Peter 2:4 was not until Christ was on earth, just as is:

Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
.

And by the way, proclamations of the gospel does not mean general preaching but things like proclaiming the day of the Lord as John the Baptist in the wilderness was doing, which is also part of the gospel.

 

[Buzz_B]

I am not offended. I find it curious, you stated...



And find that agreeable.

Perhaps you simply meant to add to what I said, but as it was, you disagreed, then basically repeated what I said in your words.

God Bless,
SBC

Thank you for pointing that out. I may have been getting tired. I will review those posts, you have my word on that.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

If Christ had indeed gone to imprisoned human spirits it would have had been to far more than just those who sinned while the patience of God waited for man to repent in the days of Noah before the flood. And so that right there indicates it means that he had a message from his Father to deliver to the angels that sinned during that time. For those angels too sinned while the patience of God waited in the days of Noah and we have evidence that was why the earth became so incredibly wicked in those days.

Take a simple verse like Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

We know no man after Adam's fall was considered a son of God because Paul tells us:

Romans 8:20-21 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."

And we know that liberation only began taking place as a result of Christ's death and the liberating of men from that futility and into the body of Christ.

Besides that, there is absolutely no good reason to challenge the the sons of God spoken of at Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. For neither Satan nor his angels had yet been ousted from heaven:

Luke 10:18-19 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

I believe we are sons of God but in a fallen state.

Why would Jesus need to preach to fallen angels?

The word angel means messenger by the way and Satan was never an angel. I believe Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 were us as well as are speaking of Adam. Adam fell Satan was always a liar and a murderer.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering-----------in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth -----15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------.

Job 38:7 (King James Version) 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Does this sound like Satan? Adam was a son of God, Satan was a liar and a Murderer from his beginning.

Revelation 2:28 (King James Version) 28And I will give him the morning star.
Is God going to give us Satan?
Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Who is the morning star?

 

[Buzz_B]

I believe we are sons of God but in a fallen state.

Why would Jesus need to preach to fallen angels?

The word angel means messenger by the way and Satan was never an angel. I believe Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 were us as well as are speaking of Adam. Adam fell Satan was always a liar and a murderer.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering-----------in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth -----15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------.

Job 38:7 (King James Version) 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Does this sound like Satan? Adam was a son of God, Satan was a liar and a Murderer from his beginning.

Revelation 2:28 (King James Version) 28And I will give him the morning star.
Is God going to give us Satan?
Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Who is the morning star?

I will comment on this later as I am getting tired but I have heard this said just like that many times before and already know why I disagree. That is what happens to twenty-four seven life-time disciples of the Word. There seems to come a point where nothing is new under the sun. And it is really only then that we get to really understand Solomon.

The morning star is Jesus. It is not Lucifer. Not inferring you say it is Lucifer, but I have heard literally about everything at one time or another and some do say that.

2 Peter 1:19 "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts"

Galatians 4:19 "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you"

2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Ephesians 3:17 "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love"

I will speak to the rest of you post later, after a period of rest. Satan became a murder when he deceived Eve. He murdered Eve with a lie and Adam thru her and thus all mankind, especially those who do not repent.

OK, Got a bite to eat and some coffee and ready to go again.

 

[SBC]

I am always making mistakes.

I do believe those who go with the Lord have a conscious spirit and as I Pet.3:18-20

Every man has a LIVING SOUL.
Once a LIVING SOUL has been in a body,
And DEPARTS out of the body (when the body becomes physically dead)
That LIVING SOUL, is still living, whether (TODAY) WITH God in Heaven, or WITHOUT GOD in Hell.

clearly shows us God can make alive those spirits who were disobedient.

Those "spirits", are LIVING SOULS.
Spirit is God. Life is God. Souls have life, because they have Gods Breath in them,
(Whether or not the Living soul is in the body)

As David declared if he can make his bed in Sheol God is there, It sounds like something is going on down under or where ever spirit that a disobedient are?

Everyone has been disobedient.
Disobedience does not DETERMINE, who is and who is not saved.

It is BELIEF in the Word of God, that DETERMINES who is and who is not saved.

Even men WHO ARE saved, at times are disobedient.

David, Believed, but was at times disobedient. Same with other Believing and Faithful men....Moses, Jacob, etc.

Living Men have to deal with the worldly consequences of their disobedience.

Yet that does not minimize their Belief and Faithfulness, or Saving, or being WITH the Lord, that the Lord has bless them to be WITH Him forever.

David was an OT man. When OT men physically died. Their Living Soul went to hell.
IN HELL was a division.
One side of comfort, paradise, where the Tree of Life, moved from the Garden, to Hell. Was present, sustaining, the Faithful.
The Other side of hell was torment, complete separation from God, the tree of Life, and comfort.

NT men, or otherwise, Living souls of men, whose bodies have died....
Who believe in the Word of God, now such living souls, go directly to God, where the Tree of Life, is now, and sustains them.
Those who did/do not believe in the Word of God,
Still go to hell, separated from Gods Word, which IS their torment.

Men's Living souls of believers, NO LONGER, must go to hell and WAIT. Their WAIT is over.
Their WAITING in hell, was WAITING for HE who is FIRST IN ALL THINGS. He whose is FIRST, is The Word of God, ie named Jesus.

When Jesus' body was dead and buried in a cave.
"HIS" living soul went to Hell. Preached to those in "PRISON". Ie the SAVED LIVING SOULS, who could not LEAVE Hell (ie inprisioned), UNTIL Jesus Living soul LEFT.

Those believing Living Souls, the Tree of Life, all went to Heaven, and Now WAIT THERE, in Paradise. They are now WAITING for the Day the Son of Man descends from Heaven to the Clouds, and CALLS his Church to Him, to glorifies their body's, and impart their saved living souls, and quickened spirits, into their body's, that their conversion is complete, and they can now SEE their Lord, as HE IS.

When all is accomplished ON the Earth, and darkness is OVERCOME, ON the Earth, then shall Christ's Kingdom be revealed, and the Tree of Life, present IN HIS Kingdom, along with ALL WHO believed and became converted.

I believe God is omnipresent and where ever God is something amazing is happening

God is everywhere. But he is not seen.
Even today, IN HELL, the living souls of men, who rejected Him, such souls have Life from God IN THOSE SOULS, but they are separated from God. They are separated from the Tree of Life. Life will be departed from their souls, and return to God. Their body's and souls destroyed, and remembered no more.

Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. KJV

Yes God is everywhere. But that is not the same as God is WITH everyone, because He is not WITH, those WHO rejected Him during their OWN lifetime, when their OWN life, was ALIVE, in their OWN BLOOD, which is the LIFE of the Body.

"Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water." (I Pet.3:18-20).

Jesus IS the Word of God.
Christ IS the Power of God.

A man, in his own natural Life (which is His blood) WHO believes IN, (his natural hearts thoughts) IN the WORD of God, shall be saved, and Forever with the Word of God, and sustained in life, BY the Word of God, fed by the Tree of Life, ie the WORD of God forever.

Yes, Noah and His family WERE SAVED, from destruction upon the earth.

The Earth was "CLEANSED" with WATER, in the same way, men were Cleansed being baptized in water......the earth, and the men....waiting for the Cleansing with Jesus' PURE BLOOD.

As in the day of Noah, so also shall be the coming of the Son of Man.

Noah was risen UP above the face of the Water, while the Water was cleansing, destroying things on the Earth.

When the Son of Man, descends from Heaven, UP to the clouds, Above the earth, He shall call HIS CHURCH, body's of men, who in their own blood life, trusted to Believe in the Word of God.
They shall have their body's glorified, BY He who IS LIGHT, and BE ABOVE the earth, while the earth is "PURIFIED" with FIRE.
Just as men who rejected the WORD of God, shall forever have their body's and soul's PURIFIED with Fire.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

I will speak to the rest of you post later, after a period of rest. Satan became a murder when he deceived Eve. He murdered Eve with a lie and Adam thru her and thus all mankind, especially those who do not repent.

Does not say that. it says he was a murderer from the beginning not murder when he deceived Eve.

They cannot repent until they are first called and God is not calling all mankind now. He has many ages to do that.

Besides Satan was never an angel.

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

Every man has a LIVING SOUL.
Once a LIVING SOUL has been in a body,
And DEPARTS out of the body (when the body becomes physically dead)
That LIVING SOUL, is still living, whether (TODAY) WITH God in Heaven, or WITHOUT GOD in Hell.



Those "spirits", are LIVING SOULS.
Spirit is God. Life is God. Souls have life, because they have Gods Breath in them,
(Whether or not the Living soul is in the body)



Everyone has been disobedient.
Disobedience does not DETERMINE, who is and who is not saved.

It is BELIEF in the Word of God, that DETERMINES who is and who is not saved.

Even men WHO ARE saved, at times are disobedient.

David, Believed, but was at times disobedient. Same with other Believing and Faithful men....Moses, Jacob, etc.

Living Men have to deal with the worldly consequences of their disobedience.

Yet that does not minimize their Belief and Faithfulness, or Saving, or being WITH the Lord, that the Lord has bless them to be WITH Him forever.

David was an OT man. When OT men physically died. Their Living Soul went to hell.
IN HELL was a division.
One side of comfort, paradise, where the Tree of Life, moved from the Garden, to Hell. Was present, sustaining, the Faithful.
The Other side of hell was torment, complete separation from God, the tree of Life, and comfort.

NT men, or otherwise, Living souls of men, whose bodies have died....
Who believe in the Word of God, now such living souls, go directly to God, where the Tree of Life, is now, and sustains them.
Those who did/do not believe in the Word of God,
Still go to hell, separated from Gods Word, which IS their torment.

Men's Living souls of believers, NO LONGER, must go to hell and WAIT. Their WAIT is over.
Their WAITING in hell, was WAITING for HE who is FIRST IN ALL THINGS. He whose is FIRST, is The Word of God, ie named Jesus.

When Jesus' body was dead and buried in a cave.
"HIS" living soul went to Hell. Preached to those in "PRISON". Ie the SAVED LIVING SOULS, who could not LEAVE Hell (ie inprisioned), UNTIL Jesus Living soul LEFT.

Those believing Living Souls, the Tree of Life, all went to Heaven, and Now WAIT THERE, in Paradise. They are now WAITING for the Day the Son of Man descends from Heaven to the Clouds, and CALLS his Church to Him, to glorifies their body's, and impart their saved living souls, and quickened spirits, into their body's, that their conversion is complete, and they can now SEE their Lord, as HE IS.

When all is accomplished ON the Earth, and darkness is OVERCOME, ON the Earth, then shall Christ's Kingdom be revealed, and the Tree of Life, present IN HIS Kingdom, along with ALL WHO believed and became converted.



God is everywhere. But he is not seen.
Even today, IN HELL, the living souls of men, who rejected Him, such souls have Life from God IN THOSE SOULS, but they are separated from God. They are separated from the Tree of Life. Life will be departed from their souls, and return to God. Their body's and souls destroyed, and remembered no more.



Yes God is everywhere. But that is not the same as God is WITH everyone, because He is not WITH, those WHO rejected Him during their OWN lifetime, when their OWN life, was ALIVE, in their OWN BLOOD, which is the LIFE of the Body.



Jesus IS the Word of God.
Christ IS the Power of God.

A man, in his own natural Life (which is His blood) WHO believes IN, (his natural hearts thoughts) IN the WORD of God, shall be saved, and Forever with the Word of God, and sustained in life, BY the Word of God, fed by the Tree of Life, ie the WORD of God forever.

Yes, Noah and His family WERE SAVED, from destruction upon the earth.

The Earth was "CLEANSED" with WATER, in the same way, men were Cleansed being baptized in water......the earth, and the men....waiting for the Cleansing with Jesus' PURE BLOOD.

As in the day of Noah, so also shall be the coming of the Son of Man.

Noah was risen UP above the face of the Water, while the Water was cleansing, destroying things on the Earth.

When the Son of Man, descends from Heaven, UP to the clouds, Above the earth, He shall call HIS CHURCH, body's of men, who in their own blood life, trusted to Believe in the Word of God.
They shall have their body's glorified, BY He who IS LIGHT, and BE ABOVE the earth, while the earth is "PURIFIED" with FIRE.
Just as men who rejected the WORD of God, shall forever have their body's and soul's PURIFIED with Fire.

God Bless,
SBC

I disagree but I am not going to respond to your multiple post because I have not figured out this web page how to do so. So if you want t address each issue I would love to respond.

 

[GenemZ]

Being as there was no Israel until Jacob's name was changed to Israel, how does that show what you say? Even Isaac would not have been Israel.

Its called 'retroactive positional truth."

For example? God declares that right now you are seated with Christ in Heaven. Are you?

God is not limited by time. He sees what will be as if it were the past. God saw Israel in Abraham. For through his seed would come the Messiah. Jesus came to the Jews. Then, into the whole world.

 

[Buzz_B]

Does not say that. it says he was a murderer from the beginning not murder when he deceived Eve.

They cannot repent until they are first called and God is not calling all mankind now. He has many ages to do that.

Besides Satan was never an angel.

Cherubim are a kind of angel for they are messengers but with the special purpose of being responsible for protecting the sanctity of God's realm. We see that by searching the meanings in the Hebrew of the words there where you quoted from at Ezekiel 28. Check out the meaning of the word, "covereth", in your Hebrew Dictionaries. It means "blockade" as in one with the responsibility to not allow access. In other words to guard against violations of sanctity. That is what That Cherub was doing in the garden. His responsibility was to guard that tree of the knowledge of good and bad to prevent what happened. And that being his appointment he was there to keep the young couple away from that tree but violated his appointment and instead used a lie to entice Eve to it.

There is no way that John 8:44 can mean from Lucifer's beginning for Lucifer did not become Satan and the devil until he sinned and God gave him those designations as a result of his sin. Satan meaning, "resister" of God and devil meaning, "slanderer" of God.

We cannot say that Lucifer was Satan before that sin for a few good reasons, the first being the meaning of the names Satan and devil as I just gave. The second being because we can no more call the Cherub Lucifer Satan before his sin than we could call Jacob Israel before God named him Israel. And the third reason is revealed by a look at the Greek text of John 8:44

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What I emboldened above unless twisted by those who really do not know Greek, means that he did not stay standing in the truth which as that is true it means he was standing in the truth when he began as Lucifer. But had Satan or the devil ever stood in the truth? Remember we can no more call Lucifer Satan before he sinned and God named him that than we can call Jacob Israel before God named him Israel. (And remember that you yourself pointed out the meaning of the name Jacob as the negative that it is and the name Israel for the positive it is. And that cinches that we cannot truthfully call Jacob Israel before God did and anyone that does so is sinning. So watch out for the poison of the Pharisees and the self-wise Rabbis and their inventions. "retroactive positional truth" rubbish.) And Jesus was speaking about their Father the devil and his beginning. And so even IF Jesus meant the devil's beginning that would not be Lucifer's beginning. And as I have well shown by his duty as a cherub what he was doing in that garden, that is clearly where he first sinned.

But, we have a fourth reason we know that is true. And I will ponder a bit before I tell you what it is. That fourth reason is so simple that if it were a snake it would bite us for failure to see it.

Ezekiel 28:15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

 

[Buzz_B]

Its called 'retroactive positional truth."

For example? God declares that right now you are seated with Christ in Heaven. Are you?

God is not limited by time. He sees what will be as if it were the past. God saw Israel in Abraham. For through his seed would come the Messiah. Jesus came to the Jews. Then, into the whole world.

Yes I am familiar with that contrived tool to distort truth. You have nothing new you can teach me?