After Trump Blasts N.F.L., Players Kneel and Lock Arms in Solidarity

[Anna Scott]

Considering how Muslims have been disparaged in this country, I would imagine a lot of Americans would have a hysterical fit if a Muslim football player did that. I can imagine a lot of moral indignation and an extreme public outcry of how Muslims are trying to take over America and enforce Islam, and any other rhetorical nonsense to cause fear and to further marginalize and dehumanize Muslims.



I agree.

Sadly, you are right.

 

[Anna Scott]

If you don't know the difference between offensive behavior
and Christian or godly behavior, then you will never get it.

That's not an answer!

 

[Anna Scott]

Islam is more synonymous with being anti-freedom and anti-American.

Again, very offensive.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Again, very offensive.

Yes, it is considering how many American Muslims serve in the United States military.

How Many Muslims Are Serving in US Military?

Muslims in the Military: The Few, the Proud, the Welcome

American Muslims who died fighting for their country after 9/11 revealed | Daily Mail Online

Donald Trump never served in the military. In fact, he had FIVE draft deferments.

Donald Trump’s Draft Deferments: Four for College, One for Bad Feet

President Trump, who got five draft deferments, again attacks Sen. Blumenthal's military record

I think this tweet sums it all up about Trump and his family very well.

 

[pat34lee]

As for government, it isn't God, but the Word of God does teach that we are to submit to governmental authority as long as it doesn't cause us to disobey God.

Then you should be supporting President Trump and demanding
that the players submit to what he says as leader of the nation.

 

[pat34lee]

Again, very offensive.

Sometimes that happens with the truth. Islam is not
a religion, but a political system masquerading as a
religion. The only system comparable is Judaism, but
they are not out to conquer the world, especially by
force.

Not all Muslims are fanatics or terrorists or even
supporters of terrorism. But at a minimum, 15-25%
of even the most moderate Muslim groups support
terrorist activities. In some places, like Israel, the
numbers are probably closer to 90%. Either way, if
one of every four Muslims in the US is a possible
terrorist or a supporter of them, that is a problem.

 

[pat34lee]

Yes, it is considering how many American Muslims serve in the United States military.

Fort Hood
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/army-major-kills-13-people-in-fort-hood-shooting-spree

Kuwait 2003
Soldier Convicted in Deadly Attack on His Camp

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Then you should be supporting President Trump and demanding
that the players submit to what he says as leader of the nation.

How do you figure that based on what I said? It's like you didn't even read my post.

 

[Anna Scott]

Sometimes that happens with the truth. Islam is not
a religion, but a political system masquerading as a
religion. The only system comparable is Judaism, but
they are not out to conquer the world, especially by
force.

Not all Muslims are fanatics or terrorists or even
supporters of terrorism. But at a minimum, 15-25%
of even the most moderate Muslim groups support
terrorist activities. In some places, like Israel, the
numbers are probably closer to 90%. Either way, if
one of every four Muslims in the US is a possible
terrorist or a supporter of them, that is a problem.

Sources please.

 

[Anna Scott]

Fort Hood
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/army-major-kills-13-people-in-fort-hood-shooting-spree

Kuwait 2003
Soldier Convicted in Deadly Attack on His Camp

You can't blame all the violence on Islam.

We have a serious issue of plots, violence, and killings in our country that have nothing to do with Islam, except some of the targets are Muslims.

“HATE CRIMES AND THE THREAT OF DOMESTIC EXTREMISM”
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau.../attachments/09/19/12/09-19-12-crt-austin.pdf

Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein Delivers Remarks at the 10th Annual Utah National Security and Anti-Terrorism Conference

White gunman caught in killing of 9 in historic black church

Three charged in Kansas plot to bomb homes, worship center for Somalis

Las Vegas cop-killers wore adult diapers during shooting spree: cops

Wounded Congressman In Critical Condition, Will Require Additional Surgery

Hate Crime Is Feared as 2 Indian Engineers Are Shot in Kansas

A Man Who Hated Black Men Found a Victim Who Cared for Others

Two Killed in Portland While Trying to Stop Anti-Muslim Rant, Police Say

I could go on and on with examples, but I don't have the time to link all of them. There are just too many.

I'm not partial to the sources. They were the easiest to find. You can check other sources, if you don't trust, the NY Times, NPR, etc.

 

[Anna Scott]

You brought Muslims into the conversation when you posted this very offensive summary of what you really think.

Have you ever seen Kaepernick? Without that foot-tall afro,
he looks like a Mediterranean. He was raised by white people.
He got into disrespecting America only when he began dating
a Muslim woman. He supposedly hasn't converted (yet), but
it seems he's well on his way.

Sometimes that happens with the truth. Islam is not
a religion, but a political system masquerading as a
religion. The only system comparable is Judaism, but
they are not out to conquer the world, especially by
force.

Not all Muslims are fanatics or terrorists or even
supporters of terrorism. But at a minimum, 15-25%
of even the most moderate Muslim groups support
terrorist activities. In some places, like Israel, the
numbers are probably closer to 90%. Either way, if
one of every four Muslims in the US is a possible
terrorist or a supporter of them, that is a problem.

The topic isn't about Israel or other parts of the world. We are talking about America.

So, let's pull this back to the topic: "After Trump Blasts NFL, Players Kneel and Lock Arms in Solidarity."

Then you should be supporting President Trump and demanding
that the players submit to what he says as leader of the nation.

Are you sure about that?

Again, I will ask you the 2 questions you have not answered:

1. Do you believe the President or an employer should dictate what we are to think or believe about an object (such as the flag) or a song (such as the National Anthem)?

2. Do you believe the president or an employer should dictate how one should physically respond to an object (stand, sit, kneel, bow, whatever)?

 

[pat34lee]

How do you figure that based on what I said? It's like you didn't even read my post.

ArmenianJohn said:
As for government, it isn't God, but the Word of God does teach that we are to submit to governmental authority as long as it doesn't cause us to disobey God.

Does standing for the anthem cause us or the NFL players to disobey God?
If not, they should submit to Trump as governmental authority.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

ArmenianJohn said:
As for government, it isn't God, but the Word of God does teach that we are to submit to governmental authority as long as it doesn't cause us to disobey God.

Does standing for the anthem cause us or the NFL players to disobey God?
If not, they should submit to Trump as governmental authority.

Standing for the anthem causes many or most to disobey God.

Of course everyone is under Trump's authority but even his authority is dictated by the government. He himself is not the government. However, if he makes a law that forces people to worship the flag/anthem/country then he should be disobeyed. True Christians will disobey him in that case while the millions of fakes will obey and worship him.

 

[pat34lee]

Standing for the anthem causes many or most to disobey God.

How? What command are they disobeying?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

How? What command are they disobeying?

This one:
Genesis 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

 

[Followers4christ]

This one:
Genesis 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

That reminds me of this supreme Court ruling that I read not long ago. Here is a link and a small portion from the article:

"It was a significant court victory won by Jehovah's Witnesses, whose religion forbade them from saluting or pledging to symbols, including symbols of political institutions. However, the Court did not address the effect the compelled salutation and recital ruling had upon their particular religious beliefs but instead ruled that the state did not have the power to compel speech in that manner for anyone"

The Free Speech clause of the First Amendment prohibits public schools from forcing students to salute the American flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance. To bad we then try to force our NFL players to salute the flag and violation of their rights.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette - Wikipedia

And another:

Tinker v. Des Moines Podcast

 

[Followers4christ]

Nobody disputed that Martin was beating the heck out of Zimmerman; not even the prosecutor. Are we supposed to believe you have special access to the facts that the prosecutor did not? You're making up arguments. We call that lying.

Oh please a fast search on Google you can find sources to this. This shows you really do not know the facts of this case. Here is a link:

No Zimmerman DNA under Martin's fingernails: Expert witness

 

[Followers4christ]

No, any so-called journalist publication which acts as a mouthpiece for liberal extremism is e referred to as such, which is most of them.
How many journalists are having nightly stories about the DNC rigging the election or Hillary collaborating with the Ukraine... you know... things that ACTUALLY happened?

Yes all news you do not agree with must be extreme liberalism gotta ya.

 

[Followers4christ]

Rosa Parks actually lived in segregation and open racism.
Kaepernick was raised in a wealthy white family, and looks
more Mediterranean than black. I doubt he ever saw anything
resembling what Rosa Parks did.

What I was getting at was in the 1950s slavery was done and gone with since the 1800s so many people saw Rosa Parks protesting racism in the form of segregation was very wrong. Many people were against her as blacks did have "freedom". But today we can see what she did was not just brave but also brought freedom to many black Americans.

I am sure he encountered racism but I will not speak as I do not know if he did or not. If I were you I would do the same unless you know he was never targeted cause of his race. But he was protesting racial profiling and police brutality. Something that has to be addressed.

 

[Followers4christ]

Beautifully, said! I will stand for God. I will bow to Him, and kneel in prayer: The Holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He is above all things, including patriotism.


That doesn't mean I don't love my country. I do, but it is a sad day when the president calls someone a Son of a bleep and demands he/they be fired, because he/they do not respond a certain way to the flag and the national anthem. This is actually unpatriotic, violates our freedom, and insults our constitution and our Democracy. Threats to Democracy and freedom can be small and incidious. We need to be mindful of these actions and call them out for what they are. We must also check ourselves as Christians, prayerfully, so that we do not fall into idolatry through thoughts, words, or deeds. I will add that when I do get these things right, it is only by the Grace of God.

100% agree with you.