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After School Satan

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by pgp_protector, Jul 31, 2016.

  1. jazzflower92

    jazzflower92 Junior Member

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    That's still tyranny and sugarcoating it.
     
  2. rambot

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    That's how a few of them....though yes, I would otherwise totally agree.

    I would know because there would be FAAAAAR more terrorist activity in the states right now. I know because American Muslims have an much more liberalized version of their faith (on the whole) than other countries. Don't believe it? Compare support for gay marriage.
    What do I think will happen? Well, individuals and community groups will step up. A certain segment of Christianity will remember the story of the Good Samaritan (or the love your enemies stuff) and will step up to help these victims of incredible violence. Slowly but surely, these refugees will begin to feel welcome (by those choosing the welcome them) and most of them will feel forever indebted to your country for the support they received for helping them start a new life. A few of them will suffer due to complexities within the system and an inability to appropriately place or house them.
    See, here's the rub about the human condition: If you show humans love, consideration and compassion, they tend to mirror that back. IF not to you, then to others. This isn't outlandish; this is pretty common understanding of how people work. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...to-help-fort-mcmurray-fire-evacuees-1.3581122


    The opposite is also true: You show people hatred, contempt, and are dispassionate towards them (or, say you drop bombs on them) they tend to show that back to you (or others). http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6229/1480
    and (as a set of three, to support the point):
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/g...on-terrorism-will-generate-yet-more-terrorism
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147
    https://theintercept.com/2015/07/16...-terrorists-kill-iraq-war-helped-create-isis/



    All human interaction can be broken down into those two very simple concepts. And frankly, it is the ultimate proof for me (personally) that humans are created by God. He knows that love begets love; that's why he calls us to LOVE. The greatest of these is "love"; love they neighbour; love thy enemy; love love love love love. It's all the guy talks about. And it's WONDERFUL!!!! He wants us to show love because it is a multiplier of all the things that He loves.


    I would argue that national safety is FAAAAAAR more compromised by the 2nd ammendment than freedom of religion. But we both know that isn't going away anytime soon.
     
  3. SepiaAndDust

    SepiaAndDust There's a FISH in the percolator

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    And ignored.
     
  4. samir

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    During the Middle Ages in Europe, most people were Christian and had morals because the government helped keep them on the straight and narrow path. I'm willing to bet a high percentage went to heaven. In America, with freedom of religion and freedom of the press, people are allowed to teach whatever Satanic lies they want to teach and as a result so many people are deceived and living ungodly lives. I bet most will go to hell. That's what I'd call a disaster.
     
  5. jazzflower92

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    That's romanticizing the Middle Ages. The government there was still corrupt, and often times abused it's power. They also did things like shun people who were disabled due to thinking that God cursed disabled people. If you read medieval literature you would see that some problems prevalent today was not so different back then.
     
  6. samir

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    I hope you're right.


    Makes sense but there will always be evil people and they should be stopped.


    I want to protect my neighbors from false religions because I love them. I'm not saying non-Christians should be persecuted solely for not being Christian. I'm just saying there need to be limits. Too much freedom isn't good for anyone.
     
  7. jazzflower92

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    Christian endorsed persecution is wrong, and should never be endorsed. Whenever we side with persecution, we lose our souls in the process.
     
  8. samir

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    Does that mean a church of devil worshipers who teach their members should sacrifice their children to Satan should be tolerated? Nothing should be done if their members engage in child sacrifice because of it?
     
  9. jazzflower92

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    Child sacrifice is not a sane religious practice, and people do not endorse it.
     
  10. samir

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    Some people do endorse it. You said, "Christian endorsed persecution is wrong, and should never be endorsed." I hope you see now that persecution is sometimes right and should be endorsed at least for those who teach the insane religious practice of child sacrifice.
     
  11. jazzflower92

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    Child sacrifice is one thing, but persecuting minority religions who are peaceful is another thing.
     
  12. Audacious

    Audacious Viva La Socialist Revolution

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    While I don't agree with Satanism (LaVeyan Satanism is basically just psychopathy turned into a religion, but with a few limitations), I do support the right of Satanists to discuss and spread their religion publicly, and to be public about their religious values.

    As long as they aren't hurting anyone in a direct and provable way, I have no problem with them whatsoever.

    Do you actually think that this is what Satanism is about?

    Most Satanists are LaVeyan Satanists and don't even believe that a literal devil exists...
     
  13. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    People like you scare me.
     
  14. rambot

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    I can tell you 100% that is true. As Christians, we are called to be loving and compassionate to EVERYONE; even those who hate us and would wish us dead. But let's face it, we don't do that. We still treat those people terribly (even if, in quiet reflection and prayer, we come to the conclusion that we don't want to). But who knows what would happen if we showed them love.


    When God calls on us to LOVE our enemies, how we choose to stop them, gets REALLY really complicated. We know that we will all die. Would you rather die being a reflection of God's love, or die because of your own anger and vengence?




    But if non Christians are not afforded the same legal protections as Christians, how is that NOT persecution?

    I actually agree with this, but in a very different way. I don't think freedom of speech is necessarily a good thing; I don't think free access to guns is a good thing either.
     
  15. orangeness365

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  16. samir

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    So persecuting minority religions who are NOT peaceful is okay?
     
  17. jazzflower92

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    There are a lot of peaceful Muslims, who have done no wrong to anyone. You can't persecute people for the actions of others, it's evil.
     
  18. samir

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    I support Satanists having a right to believe what they want but a right to spread their religion publicly will result in some Christians believing them and turning away from Christ and keep others from becoming Christians. That's real harm because these people will suffer eternal damnation.


    I'm well aware of the difference between Satanists and devil worshipers. My point is, with religious freedom, if you allow one then you have to allow the other.
     
  19. samir

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    Do you think it's okay to persecute radical Muslims who aren't peaceful? What about mosques that preach a message of hate that inspires their members to commit horrible crimes?
     
  20. jazzflower92

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    It goes too far for me, because often times it dips into tyrannical policies. I think instead we should encourage people in the Muslim community to snitch out hateful imans.
     
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