After School Satan

[JackRT]

God PUT your government in place. God PUT your constitution in place. God has invested authority into your government.

I cannot agree with any of those three assertions. God acts through us not instead of us.

 

[samir]

God PUT your government in place. God PUT your constitution in place. God has invested authority into your government.

God may have allowed it but I wouldn't say God put the American government or the constitution in place. The freedom of religion in the constitution was intended to protect members of Christian denominations from being persecuted by other Christian denominations and to prevent the government from preferring one denomination over the others.

I think it's a big mistake to grant religious freedom to everyone. Trump knows the mosques need to be monitored because they are allowed to preach and interpret the Koran however they want. Nothing is stopping them from preaching that Christians and immoral Westerners are infidels who should be killed.

 

[samir]

I noticed in the news today that the ISIS terrorist who slit the throat of the RC priest in Normandy has been refused a Muslim burial.

It doesn't matter if every Muslim denounces them as not being Muslim just like it doesn't matter if every Christian says the Westboro Baptist church is not Christian. Freedom of religion protects all of them. They are allowed to interpret the Koran however they want and preach a message of hate. If anyone tries to stop militant Islamic groups, the ACLU will be there to defend their first amendment rights.

 

[rambot]

I cannot agree with any of those three assertions. God acts through us not instead of us.

Read Romans 13:1-7
While I agree he acts through us, it is His will and His plan (and his authority) that is invested in governments.

God may have allowed it but I wouldn't say God put the American government or the constitution in place.

The freedom of religion in the constitution was intended to protect members of Christian denominations from being persecuted by other Christian denominations and to prevent the government from preferring one denomination over the others.

Pffft. Look at what has happenned to the 2nd ammendment.

I think it's a big mistake to grant religious freedom to everyone.

And you are within your right to think that. I think it's a good thing. Because if I have it, EVERYONE has it. And if only I have it, everyone else will fight for it (in the same way that if someone else had it, I would fight for it).

Trump knows the mosques need to be monitored because they are allowed to preach and interpret the Koran however they want.

.Nothing is stopping them from preaching that Christians and immoral Westerners are infidels who should be killed

Well, except their faith and belief systems. And the fact that almost nobody in the continental US is doing that.

Nothing is stopping anyone from saying anything in front of a church. But just because it gets said in front of a church, doesn't make it doctrinal, holy, or pleasing to God.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

The Constitution says otherwise.

Many conservative Christians will go out of the way to protect their own freedom of religion but they are more than willing to see that same right stripped from people of other religions, particularly Muslims. However, it is these same conservative Christians who will scream and holler about Christians being persecuted when they are no longer allowed by law to use their Christian beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against certain groups of people they find distasteful and unworthy of respect or civil rights.

 

[samir]

Trump knows the mosques need to be monitored because they are allowed to preach and interpret the Koran however they want.
.Nothing is stopping them from preaching that Christians and immoral Westerners are infidels who should be killed

Well, except their faith and belief systems.

That's not stopping them in many Middle Eastern countries. That's how some of them interpret their holy book.

And the fact that almost nobody in the continental US is doing that.

How would you know? Mosques aren't being monitored yet. What do you think will happen is Hillary is elected and allows Syrians and other Muslims from terrorist countries to immigrate to America? They will bring their version of Islam with them. High schools won't be able to stop Islamic clubs from teaching it to American students.

Nothing is stopping anyone from saying anything in front of a church. But just because it gets said in front of a church, doesn't make it doctrinal, holy, or pleasing to God.

My point is freedom of religion is a threat to national security. I hope Americans wake up before it's too late.

 

[jazzflower92]

Many conservative Christians will go out of the way to protect their own freedom of religion but they are more than willing to see that same right stripped from people of other religions, particularly Muslims. However, it is these same conservative Christians who will scream and holler about Christians being persecuted when they are no longer allowed by law to use their Christian beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against certain groups of people they find distasteful and unworthy of respect or civil rights.

I am a conservative Christian and I am for the religious rights of other religions. Also the simplification of it just being the right to discriminate is not accurate. It's being against being penalized to do something against someone's values, which I think should go for all religions and not just mine. I also don't cry persecution, but I do cry foul when people on the left ignore those who disagree as being bigots.

 

[samir]

Many conservative Christians will go out of the way to protect their own freedom of religion but they are more than willing to see that same right stripped from people of other religions, particularly Muslims. However, it is these same conservative Christians who will scream and holler about Christians being persecuted when they are no longer allowed by law to use their Christian beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against certain groups of people they find distasteful and unworthy of respect or civil rights.

Religions are not equal. God's religion should be protected. False religions are at enmity with God and don't deserve the same rights.

 

[jazzflower92]

Religions are not equal. God's religion should be protected. False religions are at enmity with God and don't deserve the same rights.

As a conservative Christian, that goes against the spirit of my beliefs and smacks against the foundations that the country was founded on. The country did have Christian influence, but on the other hand you are just advocating oppressing other people's beliefs. We don't have to agree with them, but allow to do their own free without any harassment at all.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

My point is freedom of religion is a threat to national security. I hope Americans wake up before it's too late.

There was something about “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor Safety.”

Oh yeah, that was Benjamin Franklin, one of America's founding fathers.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Religions are not equal. God's religion should be protected. False religions are at enmity with God and don't deserve the same rights.

Well, it is very fortunate for non-Christians living in America that this country is not a Christian theocracy and neither the Bible or any of its commands are the final law and authority in this nations' secular federal government. And for the record, America is not nor has it ever been a Christian nation, and God willing, it never will be.

 

[samir]

There was something about “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor Safety.”

Oh yeah, that was Benjamin Franklin, one of America's founding fathers.

I don't want to give up essential liberty. I just want to limit that liberty in accordance with the Christian faith.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I don't want to give up essential liberty. I just want to limit that liberty in accordance with the Christian faith.

No, you just want to strip the same rights you have as an American from other American citizens who are not Christian. And I quite confident that if non-Christians tried to strip Christians of their constitutional rights as American citizens, you and many other Christians, who think as you do, would be all up in arms screaming persecution.

 

[jazzflower92]

Well, it is very fortunate for non-Christians living in America that this country is not a Christian theocracy and that neither the Bible or any of its commands are the final law or authority in this nations' secular federal government. And for the record, America is not nor has it ever been a Christian nation, and God willing, it never will be.

I think America is a Christian influenced country that also allows itself to promote pluralism in the name of freedom. And I think we are better for it, because the reason why we are all so openly religious is due to the fact we didn't have a state religion like Europe. If we did something like that in the beginning of our country, then we would have ended up being like Europe currently. The reason why they ended up being so secular is because of the religious wars.

 

[samir]

Well, it is very fortunate for non-Christians living in America that this country is not a Christian theocracy and neither the Bible or any of its commands are the final law and authority in this nations' secular federal government.

Why is it fortunate for them? I think it's unfortunate that so many of them will end up in hell because the religion freedom you support makes it easier for them to deviate from the road to salvation.

And for the record, America is not nor has it ever been a Christian nation

I agree with that.

 

[jazzflower92]

I don't want to give up essential liberty. I just want to limit that liberty in accordance with the Christian faith.

Stripping non-Christians of their freedoms is wrong, and leads to us being not so different from countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. I don't want to wish that on any minority religion.

Also it's still their choice to believe in God or not. And because we are a Christian influenced nation they have a chance to do it. When we force people to become Christian then I believe that actually will hinder their salvation even more, due to the fact that they will only pretend to be in order to live under a brutal regime.

 

[samir]

No, you just want to strip the same rights you have as an American from other American citizens who are not Christian.

I want to strip non-Christians of some of the rights they currently enjoy because I love them and know it would be best for their souls.

 

[jazzflower92]

If want to strip non-Christians of some of the rights they currently enjoy because I love them and know it would be best for their souls.

That's not your job to do, it's only God's. Don't try and do God's job, because it often ends in disaster.

 

[samir]

Stripping non-Christians of their freedoms is wrong, and leads to us being not so different from countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. I don't want to wish that on any minority religion

The difference is Saudi Arabia and Iran subscribe to a false religion. There is a huge difference between opposing the true religion (Christianity) verses opposing false religions that are in opposition to God.

Also it's still their choice to believe in God or not. And because we are a Christian influenced nation they have a chance to do it. When we force people to become Christian then I believe that actually will hinder their salvation even more, due to the fact that they will only pretend to be in order to live under a brutal regime.

I never said anyone should be forced to become a Christian. I think everyone should be allowed to believer whatever they want. I'm saying that allowing people unrestricted freedom to preach lies about God and promote immoral lifestyles is harmful to everyone, especially those who believe those lies and live an immoral lifestyle.

 

[rturner76]

Religions are not equal. God's religion should be protected. False religions are at enmity with God and don't deserve the same rights.

The name Samir Means "companion in evening talk" in Arabic so what are YOU about? What do you really represent? Maybe someone should run a check on YOU?