Adam ?

[Aman777]

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OP: ADAM? When God had finished ALL of creation He saw that it was "good".(perfect!)

"DAY 6": Genesis:
31 God saw ALL that He had made (including A&E), and behold, it was VERY "good".
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Many read the above verse and falsely assume that God has already completed His work in the past. God would NEVER say that it was perfect/good unless it is and that won't happen until Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. THEN, God, who sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 will see that it is Perfect, when ALL the host of Heaven (Christians) are safely in the Eternity of the 3rd Heaven. Gen 2:1 God Bless you

 

[Aseyesee]

Many read the above verse and falsely assume that God has already completed His work in the past. God would NEVER say that it was perfect/good unless it is and that won't happen until Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. THEN, God, who sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 will see that it is Perfect, when ALL the host of Heaven (Christians) are safely in the Eternity of the 3rd Heaven. Gen 2:1 God Bless you

But if it was not seen as complete to God in the moment he thought it it could never be this.

But God does not labor to bring forth, it is our own thinking that leads us to this, just as it led Sarah to this, or the woman to a tree.

 

[Aman777]

But if it was not seen as complete to God in the moment he thought it it could never be this.

Sure it could, at the end of the present 6th Day of God's Labor. Today, the Day of Salvation, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are STILL creating Adam/mankind in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 God will NOT rest until His Heaven is finished, which in Hebrew means, brought to perfection. It's the SAME with ALL of God's works. In the end, they are brought to perfection or the perfect God didn't do the work. God's works always end in perfection.

God knew that His Creation would be complete at the end of the present 6th Day or period of labor, so He told us the entire HISTORY of His perfect Creation of the 3rd Heaven, in the first chapter of Genesis. We live today at Gen 1:27 because God continues to make Eternal Christians out of mortal people. Just ask ANY Gospel preacher. The prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 happens AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

When the 3rd Heaven is filled with ALL of its "host" or inhabitants, God's Work of building a perfect physical heaven and filling it with perfect people, made perfect in Christ, will finally be finished/brought to perfection and God will rest (Heb-cease creating) from ALL of His labor. Gen 2:1-3 God doesn't get tired and need 24 hours of rest from ALL of His works in the beginning. God rest is where He will cease and celebrate with ALL Christians at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. We will enter His rest, which is Eternity, on the 7th Day, which has NO morning and NO evening, NO beginning and NO end. Join us? God Bless you

 

[Aseyesee]

Sure it could, at the end of the present 6th Day of God's Labor. Today, the Day of Salvation, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are STILL creating Adam/mankind in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 God will NOT rest until His Heaven is finished, which in Hebrew means, brought to perfection. It's the SAME with ALL of God's works. In the end, they are brought to perfection or the perfect God didn't do the work. God's works always end in perfection.

God knew that His Creation would be complete at the end of the present 6th Day or period of labor, so He told us the entire HISTORY of His perfect Creation of the 3rd Heaven, in the first chapter of Genesis. We live today at Gen 1:27 because God continues to make Eternal Christians out of mortal people. Just ask ANY Gospel preacher. The prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 happens AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

When the 3rd Heaven is filled with ALL of its "host" or inhabitants, God's Work of building a perfect physical heaven and filling it with perfect people, made perfect in Christ, will finally be finished/brought to perfection and God will rest (Heb-cease creating) from ALL of His labor. Gen 2:1-3 God doesn't get tired and need 24 hours of rest from ALL of His works in the beginning. God rest is where He will cease and celebrate with ALL Christians at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. We will enter His rest, which is Eternity, on the 7th Day, which has NO morning and NO evening, NO beginning and NO end. Join us? God Bless you

Already there ...

 

[Hillsage]

Those thinking that "good" or even "very good" is equivalent of 'perfect' need to be scripturally instructed a bit more. Jesus wasn't even born 'perfect', but had to achieve that position. And he had to do so, even though he was born 'sinless' and remained so, his entire life.

ROM 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

HEB 2:10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer/JESUS of their salvation perfect through suffering.

Hopefully all would agree that Jesus was still within the "Good" and "Acceptable" will of God prior to reaching "perfection". I know of no scripture that would lead us to think otherwise. IOW, Adam/Eve were never 'perfect'. Had they been so, they never would have sinned....just like "the second Adam" never sinned, on His way to perfection.

 

[Hillsage]

But if it was not seen as complete to God in the moment he thought it it could never be this.

But God does not labor to bring forth, it is our own thinking that leads us to this, just as it led Sarah to this, or the woman to a tree.

Since I consider 'work' as labor, I'm going to need clarification from you...again. Since it is God who "scourgeth EVERY SON whom He loves", so I'd say God was, and still is, working. A position confirmed with scripture.

JOH 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working still, and I am working."

I know He is resting from His creation works of Genesis 1 and 2, but He is not idly sitting by now in the process of bringing all things to completion/perfection/maturity IMO.

PHI 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

 

[Aseyesee]

Since I consider 'work' as labor, I'm going to need clarification from you...again. Since it is God who "scourgeth EVERY SON whom He loves", so I'd say God was, and still is, working. A position confirmed with scripture.

JOH 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working still, and I am working."

I know He is resting from His creation works of Genesis 1 and 2, but He is not idly sitting by now in the process of bringing all things to completion/perfection/maturity IMO.

PHI 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

God does not have to labor by thought to be.

It says those who have entered into his rest have ceased from all their labor ...

Jesus said take no thought ...

So if we (therefore) strive to enter into that rest, do we do this by the labor of thought ... Jesus also said we could add nothing to ourselves by thought, contrary to a serpents two cents worth.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

God does not have to labor by thought to be.

It says those who have entered into his rest have ceased from all their labor ...

Jesus said take no thought ...

So if we (therefore) strive to enter into that rest, do we do this by the labor of thought ... Jesus also said we could add nothing to ourselves by thought, contrary to a serpents two cents worth.

Isaiah 6:1-6...when I had this epiphany as Isaiah did, things changed/transformed to a whole new reality and Psalm 36:9 became experiential Truth in my/His LIFE. I entered HIS rest.

We are on a journey...following the footsteps of Jesus Christ. If we are truly following that path, then TRUTH will prevail and we enter that rest as promised. All the promises become true and real in THIS LIFE...while still walking on earth. Jesus Christ said it many times, many ways, "The Kingdom is within you."

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus does not say it is a future event...but "IS within you." You just have to SEEK and find it, have it revealed by the spirit of Truth...as promised. Oh so many scriptures tell us it is hidden...and where does Jesus say it is?? Our minds/thoughts lead us off onto many rabbit trails and off The WAY Jesus tells us to follow.

There are "two" within us - spirit and flesh...and the two must become ONE...IN HIM...for their is only ONE who can see the things pertaining to what Jesus saw and spoke from The Father. That same spirit of Christ...but we must become blind to see. The first Adam, (before Eve was taken from within his very body and placed outside) saw things only ONE way...then he became two (flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone)...a separation of the one man, Adam to become Adam and Eve. One became two. Then it is said the two shall become ONE. Jesus Christ (the Bridegroom) calls to the Bride...and the two shall become ONE flesh (again) like in the beginning. Reconciliation. Restoration.

Genesis 3:6-7 Their perception was changed...both their eyes were opened. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

We must be so careful and not allow our minds to try and fill in the blanks and build a false picture of what Jesus is truly telling and showing us by example. It is so important to allow the Spirit of Truth guide us to what HE has to reveal on the whole picture. Remember, it is the spirit (and the bride!) that says come...the mind has other thoughts...

 

[Aseyesee]

Isaiah 6:1-6...when I had this epiphany as Isaiah did, things changed/transformed to a whole new reality and Psalm 36:9 became experiential Truth in my/His LIFE. I entered HIS rest.

We are on a journey...following the footsteps of Jesus Christ. If we are truly following that path, then TRUTH will prevail and we enter that rest as promised. All the promises become true and real in THIS LIFE...while still walking on earth. Jesus Christ said it many times, many ways, "The Kingdom is within you."

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus does not say it is a future event...but "IS within you." You just have to SEEK and find it, have it revealed by the spirit of Truth...as promised. Oh so many scriptures tell us it is hidden...and where does Jesus say it is?? Our minds/thoughts lead us off onto many rabbit trails and off The WAY Jesus tells us to follow.

There are "two" within us - spirit and flesh...and the two must become ONE...IN HIM...for their is only ONE who can see the things pertaining to what Jesus saw and spoke from The Father. That same spirit of Christ...but we must become blind to see. The first Adam, (before Eve was taken from within his very body and placed outside) saw things only ONE way...then he became two (flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone)...a separation of the one man, Adam to become Adam and Eve. One became two. Then it is said the two shall become ONE. Jesus Christ (the Bridegroom) calls to the Bride...and the two shall become ONE flesh (again) like in the beginning. Reconciliation. Restoration.

Genesis 3:6-7 Their perception was changed...both their eyes were opened. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

We must be so careful and not allow our minds to try and fill in the blanks and build a false picture of what Jesus is truly telling and showing us by example. It is so important to allow the Spirit of Truth guide us to what HE has to reveal on the whole picture. Remember, it is the spirit (and the bride!) that says come...the mind has other thoughts...

God starts with one and ends with one ...

I opened the door for a couple to come out, and then continued to hold it open for a man to walk back in, as I smiled at all three of them, I found my self saying aloud ,two come out, one goes back in, and my soul was delighted in the Lord.

 

[Aseyesee]

The question of Adam is like a command, once bitten, one must follow the anecdote prescribed.

 

[Aseyesee]

As the image we see on a cross, the last Adam, which in the wilderness is found to be a serpent on a pole/rod ... that one must look to after being bite by the first serpent ...

Peace on earth and good will towards man (with a stipulation of), if you keep my Sabbath is like God saying, I'm going to punish you if you don't let me save you from what I'm going to do to you.

Our failure on any issue is that we don't reason with God (which at a cross as something to our soul is where it starts), instead we reason with man, or earthly knowledge, good and evil that leads to death, divided truth, confusion of face. God/Love is an absolute, that has no absolute (depth, height) ... The serpent serves it's purpose, as the purpose of God.

Abraham, at one point couldn't get past ten ... but his end was that he saw Jesus' day and rejoiced in it.

The seventh day we enter, and remain (a pillar, a named sone/white stone (that only we can know, which starts with the simply fact that it's because no one can know it for you), and is not separate from the identification of the city as containing the seed as it's/her/our soul's husband, truth we find by looking it, or by keeping a commandment from the beginning have the right to enter the sabbath as a land possessed as an inheritance forever ... as being Israel, God's firstborn (only begotten) son.

But Ishmael is not circumvented, he's what the commandment becomes ... the sand of the seashore ... Abrahams first born of the mountain of the law (or the law) as a cast down truth (serpent), a servant, not a son; one who labors to enter, or one who is freeborn and remains in the house forever, which house is God.

 

[Aseyesee]

Indeed

Something that will validate Christianity once and for all

Something to put an end to the way things are currently done

In Jesus's story of the rich man poor man he had Abraham saying even if one were raised from the dead, they would not believe (speaking of the natural/carnal man).

 

[Aseyesee]

In the story or myth told in Genesis, Adam and Eve are archetypes for humanity. They are not necessarily understood to be literal. In fact, I would argue that, as archetypal figures, they are not literal persons.

Does this make where they were, and what happened, including all the players archetypal figures?

 

[miknik5]

Who keeps biting Adam?

 

[DennisTate]

When God had finished all of creation he saw that it was good.
To implie that Adam was not perfect is to say that God's judgement of creation was imperfect and that God is not capable of making a sound judgement.

You may enjoy this part of a visionary dream......

A message from Adam to all of humanity as given to Pastor Rick Joyner!

 

[Meowzltov]

When God had finished all of creation he saw that it was good.
To implie that Adam was not perfect is to say that God's judgement of creation was imperfect and that God is not capable of making a sound judgement.

What God saw was the best of all possible worlds, and what we see as the best, is probably not at all even close to the same thing. How can the finite understand the infinite? "Who can know the breadth and the depth of the wisdom and knowledge of God?"

 

[Tolworth John]

What God saw was the best of all possible worlds, and what we see as the best, is probably not at all even close to the same thing. How can the finite understand the infinite? "Who can know the breadth and the depth of the wisdom and knowledge of God?"

No God saw that it was Good. That is what God told Mosses to write.
To say something else is the finite questioning what the infinite has said that it did.

 

[Meowzltov]

No God saw that it was Good. That is what God told Mosses to write.
To say something else is the finite questioning what the infinite has said that it did.

How are we disagreeing?

 

[Sammy-San]

It says in Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day".

The fact that everything that God created was "very good", can only mean that Both Adam and Eve were "without sin", as sin did not enter the world till Genesis chapter 3, at which time both man and woman fell because of their disobedience to God, and their obeying the lies of the devil.

How come Eve's sin didn't affect her genetically?

 

[Ken Rank]

How come Eve's sin didn't affect her genetically?

Why do you think it didn't? The punishment for sin is death and before the sin, Adam and Chavah (Eve's biblical name) were not to die. But as soon as they sinned, a clock began to tick, their bodies began to break down, and eventually they succumb to wage of sin. The only reasonable explanation is that something changed inside of them and that something was passed on to all who would follow.