Adam ?

[miknik5]

Every Lower created living thing brought forth "fruit with seed in it" according to its likeness


Except for man (and to GOD HE called them both male and female...man)

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Eve was not created in the same way as Adam. Adam was one, alone in the garden until God opened his side and brought out a woman (helper), closing the wound with flesh. Christ was wounded in His side (by which we are healed)...is The Door(back)...When God asked Adam those questions in the garden, he said “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.”


"The Spirit and The Bride say "Come"...(back)

Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

For some reason I kind of feel like you have a tone here? Look, just go back and read it... they didn't see they were naked when she ate. Nothing happened when she ate, things changed when he did.

When God asked Adam the questions, his reply "“The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?”

A picture of our soul...separate from Spirit...duality within...one became two who are now called for the two to become One again...losing our soul to find it again in a son (no gender implied).

 

[Halbhh]

Why do you think it didn't? The punishment for sin is death and before the sin, Adam and Chavah (Eve's biblical name) were not to die. But as soon as they sinned, a clock began to tick, their bodies began to break down, and eventually they succumb to wage of sin. The only reasonable explanation is that something changed inside of them and that something was passed on to all who would follow.

Actually, in the garden was another tree we learn -- the Tree of Life. That's a tree of which one would have needed to eat in order to be in a "not to die" state. See. It's like in John 3:16 also -- by believing in Christ we will be given eternal life, because we do not already have it.

Adam and Eve were not immortal.

Read through Genesis chapter 3.

If you read, you should then encounter verse 22.

 

[miknik5]

Eve was not created in the same way as Adam. Adam was one, alone in the garden until God opened his side and brought out a woman (helper), closing the wound with flesh. Christ was wounded in His side (by which we are healed)...is The Door(back)...When God asked Adam those questions in the garden, he said “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.”


"The Spirit and The Bride say "Come"...(back)

Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

So you understand Adam and Eve were one

The first man and woman were one

Therefore all these outward names we have given ourselves still translate to this

One species of man of which through Eve as the mother of all living were brought forth upon the earth

But still of perishable seed

 

[miknik5]

So the TRUTH:
Ye must be born again applies to ALL MEN (male and female both)

 

[Ken Rank]

When God asked Adam the questions, his reply "“The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?”

A picture of our soul...separate from Spirit...duality within...one became two who are now called for the two to become One again...losing our soul to find it again in a son (no gender implied).

Your concept of soul (a more Greek concept) and the Hebraic concept of the soul is not the same thing. The Greek version preaches well but in the end... God formed Adam (body) breathed life into him and he BECAME a living soul. It requires the body and breath or life to be a soul.

 

[Ken Rank]

Actually, in the garden was another tree we learn -- the Tree of Life. That's a tree of which one would have needed to eat in order to be in a "not to die" state. See. It's like in John 3:16 also -- by believing in Christ we will be given eternal life, because we do not already have it.

Adam and Eve were not immortal.

Read through Genesis chapter 3.

If you read, you should then encounter verse 22.

Oh... another tree... I never knew that, thanks.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam, Eve sinned but man didn't fall until Adam sinned. Go read it... things changed when he sinned because God gave that command directly to Adam. Adam then, as head of his house, gave that command to his wife. She really went against his word, whereas Adam went directly against God's word.

So I don't think her egg or the egg of anyone else is tainted... I think we are dealing with DNA, the code each one of us has that says who and what we will be. And in that code, I believe, is a gene that causes us to die at a certain point.

In the new covenant, it says that God will write His law on our minds and hearts? I think that MIGHT BE idiomatic... I think His law is actually going to be written in our DNA and simply become part of who and what we will be.

But how come the eggs of his descendants didn't have sin, only the sperm?

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

God formed Adam (body) breathed life into him and he BECAME a living soul. It requires the body and breath or life to be a soul.

Yes. And in the beginning, Adam was one, alone in the garden. " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." He (Adam) was one... Then, while Adam was still one - "God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed." Adam was still One when God gave the command "Thou shalt not eat..."

Adam named all the plants and animals, but no help meet for him. But then God put a wound in Adam's side, took something out...from inside of him...a part of him...divided him...into two. (Which is a picture of the duality within us until we become One (again) IN Christ.)


"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

It was the woman who prepared the feast and Adam ate. There is a wedding feast prepared by the Father, through The Door/Christ by whose wound we are healed.
EDIT: Which has to do with the question God asks, "Where art thou?"

 

[mozo41]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

no .... as this would imply GOD is not perfect having made Adam in His own image ...

 

[Ken Rank]

But how come the eggs of his descendants didn't have sin, only the sperm?

Because Adam disobeyed God. The command was given to Adam and he relayed that to his wife but it was Adam who sinned against God. That is why when Eve ate nothing happened... when Adam ate they could see they were naked and the clock toward their eventual death began to tick.

Again... you keep using egg and sperm... this is DNA and not that DNA isn't in egg and sperm, they are... it sounds crude to keep using those terms when we are not really talking about egg and sperm, we are talking about DNA.

 

[Sammy-San]

Because Adam disobeyed God. The command was given to Adam and he relayed that to his wife but it was Adam who sinned against God. That is why when Eve ate nothing happened... when Adam ate they could see they were naked and the clock toward their eventual death began to tick.

Again... you keep using egg and sperm... this is DNA and not that DNA isn't in egg and sperm, they are... it sounds crude to keep using those terms when we are not really talking about egg and sperm, we are talking about DNA.

So Eve didn't have sin in her?

So I guess the sons of adam and eve were cursed and the females werent?

 

[Ken Rank]

Yes. And in the beginning, Adam was one, alone in the garden. " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." He (Adam) was one... Then, while Adam was still one - "God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed." Adam was still One when God gave the command "Thou shalt not eat..."

Adam named all the plants and animals, but no help meet for him. But then God put a wound in Adam's side, took something out...from inside of him...a part of him...divided him...into two. (Which is a picture of the duality within us until we become One (again) IN Christ.)


"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

It was the woman who prepared the feast and Adam ate. There is a wedding feast prepared by the Father, through The Door/Christ by whose wound we are healed.
EDIT: Which has to do with the question God asks, "Where art thou?"

Thanks for the history lesson, but not for nothing, and not to come off sounding like a wise guy... but I have read that 500 times in 50 different versions. What is your point? All I said to you was that you are using "soul" as the Greeks understand the word and not as the Hebrews do.

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[Ken Rank]

So Eve didn't have sin in her?

So I guess the sons of adam and eve were cursed and the females werent?

Sam... God made Adam... and God gave Adam dominion over >>ALL<< of creation. Adam was alone, God took from Adam's side (not his rear or head for that matter) a help mate... the one good at the things he is not, she completes him and he completes her. But Adam is still who has dominion. When she sinned there was no dominion to lose, when he sinned he lost his dominion and >>ALL<< of creation fell. Now, we see death everywhere... not just in all humans (male and female) but trees, plants, animals, even stars die. All of creation is awaiting to be redeemed (Romans 8:22) and that includes all the people, too. The curse was put on ALL OF CREATION because Adam was given dominion over ALL OF CREATION.

So.... Eve (and all women) die like all man... but it is the seed of man that is passed on that causes us to inherit the curse. Hence Messiah would be born of a woman (Mary) and not have sin because Joseph (who could have passed on sin) was not his Father.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Thanks for the history lesson, but not for nothing, and not to come off sounding like a wise guy... but I have read that 500 times in 50 different versions. What is your point? All I said to you was that you are using "soul" as the Greeks understand the word and not as the Hebrews do.

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Speaking to the soul's journey (back) to One through and in Christ.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam... God made Adam... and God gave Adam dominion over >>ALL<< of creation. Adam was alone, God took from Adam's side (not his rear or head for that matter) a help mate... the one good at the things he is not, she completes him and he completes her. But Adam is still who has dominion. When she sinned there was no dominion to lose, when he sinned he lost his dominion and >>ALL<< of creation fell. Now, we see death everywhere... not just in all humans (male and female) but trees, plants, animals, even stars die. All of creation is awaiting to be redeemed (Romans 8:22) and that includes all the people, too. The curse was put on ALL OF CREATION because Adam was given dominion over ALL OF CREATION.

So.... Eve (and all women) die like all man... but it is the seed of man that is passed on that causes us to inherit the curse. Hence Messiah would be born of a woman (Mary) and not have sin because Joseph (who could have passed on sin) was not his Father.

Women have original sin, they get it from Adam. Mary was not immaculate.

 

[Ken Rank]

Speaking to the soul's journey (back) to One through and in Christ.

I understand... be blessed.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam... God made Adam... and God gave Adam dominion over >>ALL<< of creation. Adam was alone, God took from Adam's side (not his rear or head for that matter) a help mate... the one good at the things he is not, she completes him and he completes her. But Adam is still who has dominion. When she sinned there was no dominion to lose, when he sinned he lost his dominion and >>ALL<< of creation fell. Now, we see death everywhere... not just in all humans (male and female) but trees, plants, animals, even stars die. All of creation is awaiting to be redeemed (Romans 8:22) and that includes all the people, too. The curse was put on ALL OF CREATION because Adam was given dominion over ALL OF CREATION.

So.... Eve (and all women) die like all man... but it is the seed of man that is passed on that causes us to inherit the curse. Hence Messiah would be born of a woman (Mary) and not have sin because Joseph (who could have passed on sin) was not his Father.

Is that how we are all sinners even if we don't sin? Even a sinless being wouldn't be a sacrifice if it was just in his genes.

 

[Ken Rank]

Women have original sin, they get it from Adam. Mary was not immaculate.

Sam... I SAID Eve suffered the penalty of sin which is death. But I also said we receive the curse from the male side... Mary was not without sin... but she also isn't who passes the sin gene on. If she was, MESSIAH was born in sin. Joseph would have passed it on... he didn't because he wasn't the Father, the Holy Spirit was and the Holy Spirit has no sin to pass on.