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Sam... man didn't fall until Adam sinned. Go read it... When Eve ate, neither knew they were naked. But when HE ATE they did. If you don't see that, I am sorry brother. But it was when Adam ate they they fell.
The Adam in the verse you are referring to stands for "mankind" which includes both male and female. There are very few time in the bible where Adam is the name of a person or place....and this only happens in genesis when the generation of Adam are mentioned......and when it states that Adam knew his Wife. Interestingly, it seems that whether Adam is in the sentence with Eve, it is not used as a name.
I understand all this and agreeThey were both guilty but Eve did not have dominion over creation, Adam did. Look, our culture, especially in the last 40 years, has become increasingly anti-male. Now, I am not suggesting that Adam ruled Eve or any nonsense like that, she was taken out of his "side" not his butt (which could be viewed as her being less) nor his head (which could be viewed as her being more) but his SIDE.. which makes them equals. A man and woman should complete each other. HOWEVER, God has set up a structure that when followed, works AND gives us a picture of our relationship to messiah.
So, we have a man and woman but when it comes to the head of the house, God placed man above woman for that "job." It is an OFFICE or job, not an excuse to be your typical non-God fearing American male when it comes to how he might view a woman.
God is the head of Christ... Christ is the head of man... man is the head of woman. That isn't me saying that, that is word for word from the Holy Spirit through Paul. Adam was the head of his house... the commandment not to eat did NOT go from God to Eve, it went from God to Adam and from Adam to Eve. So when Eve ate she sinned (against God) but went directly against Adam's word and indirectly (since Adam's word came from God) against God. But Adam, when he ate, went directly against God's word. That is why Eve didn't know she was naked when she ate and had Adam not eaten... we don't know what would have happened but we do know that Adam would not have lost that special sight... and his connection to God, had he not eaten. But when he did... when he did NOT when she did... they BOTH lost that special sight and knew they were naked. Why when he did? Because he was the head of the house...and he is who had the dominion over creation.
God does not change.... we do. We can't read Scripture from a 21st century Western mindset in English only and think we are going to understand all the cultural nuances and abstract linguistic uses of writings that come to us... inspired by God... but also through an ancient near east paradigm. The writers were Hebrew, starting over 1900 years ago and progressing older... and "studying to show ourselves approved" has to mean looking outside our current modern paradigm and seeing through the eyes of the Hebrews who penned the books we hold dear.
They were both guilty but Eve did not have dominion over creation, Adam did. Look, our culture, especially in the last 40 years, has become increasingly anti-male. Now, I am not suggesting that Adam ruled Eve or any nonsense like that, she was taken out of his "side" not his butt (which could be viewed as her being less) nor his head (which could be viewed as her being more) but his SIDE.. which makes them equals. A man and woman should complete each other. HOWEVER, God has set up a structure that when followed, works AND gives us a picture of our relationship to messiah.
So, we have a man and woman but when it comes to the head of the house, God placed man above woman for that "job." It is an OFFICE or job, not an excuse to be your typical non-God fearing American male when it comes to how he might view a woman.
God is the head of Christ... Christ is the head of man... man is the head of woman. That isn't me saying that, that is word for word from the Holy Spirit through Paul. Adam was the head of his house... the commandment not to eat did NOT go from God to Eve, it went from God to Adam and from Adam to Eve. So when Eve ate she sinned (against God) but went directly against Adam's word and indirectly (since Adam's word came from God) against God. But Adam, when he ate, went directly against God's word. That is why Eve didn't know she was naked when she ate and had Adam not eaten... we don't know what would have happened but we do know that Adam would not have lost that special sight... and his connection to God, had he not eaten. But when he did... when he did NOT when she did... they BOTH lost that special sight and knew they were naked. Why when he did? Because he was the head of the house...and he is who had the dominion over creation.
God does not change.... we do. We can't read Scripture from a 21st century Western mindset in English only and think we are going to understand all the cultural nuances and abstract linguistic uses of writings that come to us... inspired by God... but also through an ancient near east paradigm. The writers were Hebrew, starting over 1900 years ago and progressing older... and "studying to show ourselves approved" has to mean looking outside our current modern paradigm and seeing through the eyes of the Hebrews who penned the books we hold dear.
Right... they are the first humans and everything flowed from them to us.
Well, of course. We don't even know if they lived in a "house" but I get your point. Like I said, she came from his side, they are equals, each have work that completes the life of the other. What one is strong is the other is usually weak in, and vice-versa. My point beyond that is simply that Adam is the God ordained spiritual head of his house.
I don't believe there were viruses until the fall. Death (decay, disease, all lead to death) was the result of his sin... that all came AFTER his sin. So... we don't see this the same way. No problem.. be well.
Eve added to the words that God had spoken to Adam as she reasoned with the serpent.
I am not going here Sam... it is an argument that only divides people and at this point we have enough division. I would rather let messiah settle this one when he comes.
I am not disputing that... but what she did repeat accurately reflected something she couldn't have known unless she was told. This is a quote from Eve, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die." Correct or not, this is too deep a statement to make without having been told.
I am not going here Sam... it is an argument that only divides people and at this point we have enough division. I would rather let messiah settle this one when he comes.
This is a rabbit trail now. You said that Eve wasn't directly told what was expected of her. I quoted her own words, which were not exactly what God said... but included information she didn't make up and get right by coincidence. She was told, she knew all trees were good for food but one... somebody told her, that is how it reads. If you read it otherwise, that's fine.
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That's fine Sam... I just don't want to get into that discussion, OK? Blessings.
Actually that contradicts what THE MASTER has told HIS servants to
I'm sorry Sam
