Adam ?

[Ken Rank]

Is that how we are all sinners even if we don't sin? Even a sinless being wouldn't be a sacrifice if it was just in his genes.

Ben Franklin is credited as having said, "the two certainties in life are death and taxes." As soon as you are born, a clock begins to tick. It might be 70 years, 80, 100? But at some point you WILL DIE. That is the wage of sin. Adam would not have died at 930 years old had he not sinned. The wage of sin is death and so one doesn't have to break a commandment to still suffer the penalty introduced into creation by Adam.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam... I SAID Eve suffered the penalty of sin which is death. But I also said we receive the curse from the male side... Mary was not without sin... but she also isn't who passes the sin gene on. If she was, MESSIAH was born in sin. Joseph would have passed it on... he didn't because he wasn't the Father, the Holy Spirit was and the Holy Spirit has no sin to pass on.

So males are more cursed than females? I am not referring to Adam or Eve specifically. Women are sinners but their eggs are sinless.

 

[Ken Rank]

So males are more cursed than females? I am not referring to Adam or Eve specifically. Women are sinners but their eggs are sinless.

No, we are equally cursed. The wage of sin is death, we >>ALL<< die... equal punishment. Separate that from the means through which the punishment is passed on... just go back to the Garden, what does it say? It says Eve was deceived and she ate.... and nothing happened. She didn't know she was naked... nothing happened. But when Adam ate, because HE IS THE ONE whom God have dominion over creation to, when he ate they both (equally) saw that they were naked. Why? Because he is simply whom God gave dominion (authority) to.

 

[Sammy-San]

No, we are equally cursed. The wage of sin is death, we >>ALL<< die... equal punishment. Separate that from the means through which the punishment is passed on... just go back to the Garden, what does it say? It says Eve was deceived and she ate.... and nothing happened. She didn't know she was naked... nothing happened. But when Adam ate, because HE IS THE ONE whom God have dominion over creation to, when he ate they both (equally) saw that they were naked. Why? Because he is simply whom God gave dominion (authority) to.

His sin didn't spread to the eggs of his descendants.

I heard somebody I know one time ask about why women didn't write the Bible.

Does it have something to do with women having less sin in them (in a sense) and being connected to Eve?

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

The change of eyesight that happened in the garden has to do with how/from where we perceive we are. Truth/Word received or when cast down becomes a serpent in our garden. Duality within or Single of eye/ blind. " If ye were blind ye would not have sin; but now ye say, We see, your sin remains."

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

"For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."

"...the seed is the word of God."

The Greek word for seed is "sperma"...

 

[Ken Rank]

His sin didn't spread to the eggs of his descendants.

I heard somebody I know one time ask about why women didn't write the Bible.

Does it have something to do with women having less sin in them (in a sense) and being connected to Eve?

If they has less sin in them then perhaps it would have made more sense for them to write the bible? There isn't less sin and more sin Sam... Eve still sinned. The only difference is that she was not given the dominion over all of creation, Adam was. So his sin effected us all...

 

[Sammy-San]

If they has less sin in them then perhaps it would have made more sense for them to write the bible? There isn't less sin and more sin Sam... Eve still sinned. The only difference is that she was not given the dominion over all of creation, Adam was. So his sin effected us all...

There is less sin in the sense eggs are neutral and sinless, to quote a book i red.

 

[Sammy-San]

If they has less sin in them then perhaps it would have made more sense for them to write the bible? There isn't less sin and more sin Sam... Eve still sinned. The only difference is that she was not given the dominion over all of creation, Adam was. So his sin effected us all...

Is this related to why women are forbidden to be church leaders? Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?

The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.

 

[Ken Rank]

There is less sin in the sense eggs are neutral and sinless, to quote a book i red.

The book is wrong Sam. Just because somebody wrote a book doesn't mean they are correct. We all have sin in our lives, period. That is proven by the fact that we all die... which is the wage or penalty of sin. Man passes on the gene and perhaps that is where your author gets his/her idea from. But think about it... if the gene is passed from the mother... the Jesus couldn't have been born without sin because even a little sin is sin and he was born with NONE.

 

[Aman777]

If they has less sin in them then perhaps it would have made more sense for them to write the bible? There isn't less sin and more sin Sam... Eve still sinned. The only difference is that she was not given the dominion over all of creation, Adam was. So his sin effected us all...

Not Scriptural since the commandment was given to Adam. Gen 2:16 Also, the giving of dominion or rule over all of creation is FUTURE to our time. It happens AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon...at the end of the present 6th Day. Gen 1:28

 

[Sammy-San]

The book is wrong Sam. Just because somebody wrote a book doesn't mean they are correct. We all have sin in our lives, period. That is proven by the fact that we all die... which is the wage or penalty of sin. Man passes on the gene and perhaps that is where your author gets his/her idea from. But think about it... if the gene is passed from the mother... the Jesus couldn't have been born without sin because even a little sin is sin and he was born with NONE.

Why did Eve have to have sin in her for women's eggs to pass down sin?

 

[Ken Rank]

Is this related to why women are forbidden to be church leaders? Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?

Different thread and no reason to get into that discussion here. And no... to keep it short, that has to do with one of two things that are unrelated to this discussion. Either God desired for man to be the spiritual head of the house (which means have him under a woman takes from his God given authority) or Paul was dealing with CERTAIN women at a CERTAIN place who were not acting godly. I tend to lean toward the latter but do factor in some of the former.

 

[Ken Rank]

Not Scriptural since the commandment was given to Adam. Gen 2:16 Also, the giving of dominion or rule over all of creation is FUTURE to our time. It happens AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon...at the end of the present 6th Day. Gen 1:28

I said Adam was given the Dominion and it wasn't JUST future because when Adam sinned not only did the clock start to tick on him... it began to tick on all created things. The wage of sin is death and all of creation is CURRENTLY dying.

And don't you just love when people you don't know start off with how wrong and inept you are?

 

[Ken Rank]

Why did Eve have to have sin in her for women's eggs to pass down sin?

I am done talking eggs and sperm Sam. The book is wrong... if Mary had sin to pass on, Jesus was born in sin and he wasn't. So there was no sin passed from mother to child BUT the mother still has sin. We get some traits from dad, some traits from mom, most traits a combination of the two... and in the case of the curse of death... that simply comes from the male.

 

[Aman777]

I said Adam was given the Dominion and it wasn't JUST future because when Adam sinned not only did the clock start to tick on him... it began to tick on all created things. The wage of sin is death and all of creation is CURRENTLY dying.

And don't you just love when people you don't know start off with how wrong and inept you are?

All Christians WILL BE given dominion or rule over every creature including Angels when Jesus returns. IOW, The last sinner who has been saved WILL BE given rule in the FUTURE as I posted. We live Today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in His Image or in Christ Spiritually. The PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31 is future to 2017.

You're not wrong, since everyone who believes the Bible by Faith, is like you. ONLY the Christians of the last days before Jesus returns can understand the scientific details which support the Truth of Genesis. Dan 12:4 God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Superhero Sam said: ↑
Why did Eve have to have sin in her for women's eggs to pass down sin?

I am done talking eggs and sperm Sam. The book is wrong... if Mary had sin to pass on, Jesus was born in sin and he wasn't. So there was no sin passed from mother to child BUT the mother still has sin. We get some traits from dad, some traits from mom, most traits a combination of the two... and in the case of the curse of death... that simply comes from the male.

It had little to do with eggs since both Adam and Eve lived in perfect bodies, surrounded by a Shekinah Glory, like that of Jesus and like Christians will have in Heaven. When they sinned, they lost their Human Image as light and were found in bodies of FLESH. Just like people of flesh, her eggs were for reproduction in a body of flesh. In order to regain our perfect bodies and be surrounded again by the Glory which belongs to the descendants of Adam, we MUST be born again Spiritually, according to Jesus. Amen?

 

[Sammy-San]

I am done talking eggs and sperm Sam. The book is wrong... if Mary had sin to pass on, Jesus was born in sin and he wasn't. So there was no sin passed from mother to child BUT the mother still has sin. We get some traits from dad, some traits from mom, most traits a combination of the two... and in the case of the curse of death... that simply comes from the male.

She had it but didn't pass it on, so that corresponds to eggs being sinless.

 

[miknik5]

But how come the eggs of his descendants didn't have sin, only the sperm?

Both were affected by the fall sir

Stop trying to separate what GOD never intended to be a separate stand alone being

HE said from the beginning, it is not good for a man to be alone

And it requires the union of both a male and a female to being forth the blessing and gift of GOD...children

 

[miknik5]

Is that how we are all sinners even if we don't sin? Even a sinless being wouldn't be a sacrifice if it was just in his genes.

Is there any who do not sin and always do right?


Even though GOD already by HIS WORD, declared there isn't?

 

[miknik5]

Ben Franklin is credited as having said, "the two certainties in life are death and taxes." As soon as you are born, a clock begins to tick. It might be 70 years, 80, 100? But at some point you WILL DIE. That is the wage of sin. Adam would not have died at 930 years old had he not sinned. The wage of sin is death and so one doesn't have to break a commandment to still suffer the penalty introduced into creation by Adam.

Not to mention that GOD has turned all over to disobedience

And has declared all unclean


We only know of ONE who washes and makes clean apart from HIM washing is unclean