What???Romans 1: 19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
No problem i wanted to look at the two text types side by side.
Yes, that is and was meant to be a rather rude statement or sharp rebuke...it was made in a debate with an atheist!"I was created, you evolved" is a very rude statement. It is very clear from the context the sons of God are the sons of faithful Seth, the daughters of men are the unfaithful daughters, granddaughters etc, of Cain. It does not matter who Melchizedek was, the salvation message is what is important.
Actually I do not know who you are talking about. Does the person declare himself an atheist or are you judging him an atheist?Yes, that is and was meant to be a rather rude statement or sharp rebuke...it was made in a debate with an atheist!
I walk away from the speculation with a narrow interpretation as I made quite clear...we were speculating. The idea that no mention of other mankind is made when Cain received the mark to protect him has been introduced here...which is at least puzzling. Within the book of Hebrews one can locate the Biblical speculation of the greatness of Melchizedek and the fact that he blesses Abram who had the promises...so to this day there is speculation of the unknown...mere speculation mind you, which is what we were doing here and is what is being done in Hebrews. The entire world will be held accountable to Christ on the Judgement Day...the Day of the Lord's Wrath!
Didn't think to consider that the mark of Cain is the mark of a vengeful spirit...that is obvious and yet insightful and thanks for all your discussion.Actually I do not know who you are talking about. Does the person declare himself an atheist or are you judging him an atheist?
There are obviously other descendants of Adam and Eve.
If you can put it together the immediate context and actually the whole bible teaches us that the mark of Cain is the mark of a vengeful spirit.
Undoubtedly Melchizedek is the Messiah or representative of Him. Actually He is right there all the "way".
Someone who gets it, how refreshing! Thank you.Didn't think to consider that the mark of Cain is the mark of a vengeful spirit...that is obvious and yet insightful and thanks for all your discussion.
Not stated in Schripture but I believe Adam partook of the fruit to save Eve.
He was willing to die for her, and this may sound mushy but I believe his love for her was the reason he joined Her in Sin.
He was really blaming God mainly, when he should have blamed himself, not really Eve... The woman "you gave me" the one made by you so she would do this, He was really blaming God when he should have blamed himself, for not teaching Eve accurately about what God actually said, warning her about the serpent by the tree, etc...Possibly, but notice his defense to God though in 3:12 "The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”"
So basically Adam blamed Eve. If he was willing to die for her than why did he end up blaming her in the end for causing him to sin?
Possibly, but notice his defense to God though in 3:12 "The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”"
So basically Adam blamed Eve. If he was willing to die for her than why did he end up blaming her in the end for causing him to sin?
Someone who gets it, how refreshing! Thank you.
It's entirely possible, maybe even very probable maybe...?This is why I believe the sons of God were from Adam, and the daughters of Men were
Part of cains people.
He was really blaming God mainly, when he should have blamed himself, not really Eve... The woman "you gave me" the one made by you so she would do this, He was really blaming God when he should have blamed himself, for not teaching Eve accurately about what God actually said, warning her about the serpent by the tree, etc...
Adam's fault, but he tried to blame God for it...
It was his love for her that made him decide to partake, for he was not deceived remember...? But he (Adam) deceived Eve, etc...
God Bless!
Too much adding to & taking away from the Word of God & too much presumption & speculation as to what happened when Scripture doesn't say many of the things stated here happened that way. No more needs to be said.
See posts #10, and #11...These were my exact thoughts reading through this thread.
We do not know how much time was involved or haw many brothers and sisters so I think it is ok to assume the first family multiplied within itself as God had commanded.That's a possibility,then you have to reconcile his wife.
The Bible does not say He waited till after Seth was born, then a sister to mature.
It simply says He went to Nod and knew his wife.
One possible thing was God made him a wife.
Knowing Cain was a out cast gave him a mate.
See posts #10, and #11...
It does say Adam was not deceived, and woman, or Eve was....
God Bless!
Were only just talking about it you know...?It does say that, and I agree. But you can use Scripture to expand on an idea in Scripture. That's not what's happening here. We aren't getting an idea from Scripture, we are adding ideas in.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9
If I say, "God offers the gift of Salvation by His grace through faith, and we did not work to attain this," I am not adding a new idea in. What I have said there and what Ephesians 2:8-9 are the same thing.
I am not sure who said it but what was said is, "Adam joined Eve in sin because he loved her," that's an idea we can't say with confidence is Biblical. That's adding an idea into Scripture. The idea is entertaining and that's the only appeal it has.
Were only just talking about it you know...?
But were putting scripture together with scripture, like the one about Adam not being deceived, and Eve being deceived, together with other scripture to come up with some hypothesis, expressed in our own words, that's all...
But with those scriptures, it (our hypothesis) does seem like it could be very likely that that's what happened though, with Adam and Eve and whatnot though...
Or at least, so far, it seems like the only explanation that makes sense anyway...
God Bless!
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