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Adam and Eve and The Garden of Eden, "You shall not touch it, lest you die"...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. AbbaLove

    AbbaLove Circumcision of the Heart is Messianic

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    Speculation, speculation and more speculation. Here's my speculative theorem (Tongue In Cheek ;))

    One day Eve said to Adam (English translation) , "I'm tired of being treated as your property. For just once in my life can't you give me some liberty?"
    So as with most loving spouses he relinquished to his beloved's :tutu: seemingly innocent request, although his gut feeling told him it might not be such a great idea. Later that day Adam thought to himself, "It's her liberty not mine, but because I love her i'll go along."
     
  2. misput

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    The two trees are metaphorical for Christ and the Law. The snake is metaphorical for fleshly man.
     
  3. Blade

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    Thanks but seems your adding allot to whats written. One could say he was right there the whole time. Which is what I believe. For it says "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked". Both open seems at the same time.
     
  4. Hillsage

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    ALWAYS?

    ACT 16:16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. 17 She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation."
     
  5. Vicky gould

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    What if it didn’t matter how accurate it was stated. A good question why would anti-Christ want to remind her of The Lord’s commandment? Anti-Christ wanted her Focus on the Lord’s command not to eat. If we don’t understand what transpired we will miss it and the spirit of anti-christ who is already in the world will continue to want the Lord’s Bride focus on the command. Satan continues The did God say and sin abounds in just about all of. Satan is opening the way for sin. ThisTree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil what is it? Why did Satan want us under that tree? If we can answer these questions we begin to have foundation for the story awesome deception Satan ever pulled.

    We know God doesn’t change same, yesterday and the last day what He meant for Adam He means for us also. What
     
  6. now faith

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    Nice catch
     
  7. Vicky gould

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    Sorry other post locked.

    Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Surely God was not against the gaining of knowledge. It was the knowledge of good and evil and would make Man like God if he had this knowledge, knowledge that only can be obtained through God’s Law. It
     
  8. Vicky gould

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    Locked again must be something going on with my iPad will switch to my desktop tomorrow to finish. Thanks for your grace. God bless
     
  9. Neogaia777

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    You are very right about it not being knowledge in general, but the specific knowledge of good and evil, or the difference, or the knowing, or the judging between, etc... And then imposing the judgement on others, etc...

    Brings/causes death, etc...

    Only God can and is supposed to do it... or one who is God, or is like God...

    Bring/causes death for us, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  10. now faith

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    First off it is a mystery the Worship leader before God , would appear in the form of a animal.
    Genesis is a difficult study, in that when reading you get a sense of two combined narritives, even with the present tense of God, speaking to Cain.
    Who were the people Cain feared would kill him?
    The account in Genesis one says God made both male and female,
    He gave them dominion over the earth ,and were to eat from every fruit or herb bearing seed.
    In Genesis two we see a different narrative.
    Personally I believe there were two sets of people.
    This solves many problems with logic.
    Even the Sons of God ,and Daughters of Men question.
    So many believe fallen Angels went and took Women.
    I Believe God's Word is truth, it is or comprehension that fails.
    I Believe there is a possibility that God chose to leave such mystery in His Word for His purposes.
    I doubt God would allow a change or deletion, that was not brought to light.
    It was Moses who by instructions from God had written the Geneisis account.
     
  11. Neogaia777

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    I've thought of that before and wondered about it, two different sets of people, etc, and maybe some interbreeding or intermixing went on maybe...? One evolved and was lesser and one didn't, etc..

    Some things we'll never know I guess, or at least, not "yet" anyway...

    We can speculate and wonder and ponder and wonder at the possibilities, but confirming any of them for absolutely sure is where it becomes difficult...

    God Bless!
     
  12. Neogaia777

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    I have a translation that says "When with her" or when he was with her, or when she was with or rejoined him again...

    And I think that's the only thing that makes sense...

    I mean, I don't think Adam would have been right there with her, right as the serpent was speaking and saying this to her and hearing him/it (the serpent) tempt her, or mess with her in this manner, without stopping it, or putting a stop to it right away, etc... I don't think he was there just standing idly by IOW's...

    I think Eve was by herself when this was going on, and she touched the fruit, saw that she did not die, like Adam told her that's what God said, when that is not exactly what God said, then, "then", she ate of it already before bringing it to Adam, then he ate of it too or also, seeing that she already had, ect... But was not deceived, etc... But Eve was thoroughly deceived, etc...

    I think Adam was familiar with the serpent and his temptations already maybe, before Eve was ever even around or was made, etc... Knew the consequences, did not believe the serpent, and was not deceived, but, because she had already eaten of it, he decided to also...

    It's really the only thing that makes sense to me...

    And I also find it interesting that Adam did not blame or try to blame the serpent also...?

    Should have blamed himself, and maybe "felt that", but chose to try to blame God and the woman "He (God) gave him" instead...

    He already fully knew how the serpent worked an operated and how he/it (the serpent) would try to twist or mince words, especially if you were not "exact" or "perfectly perfect" in or on the matter, and how that could give the serpent an opportunity and opening to try and trick or deceive, tempt/lie, etc...

    I heard a pastor use this one time, about a snake on the ground saying to a person or asking a person, or it telling them he/it was cold, and was begging the person to put them inside their coat or jacket to help him get and be warm, and it promised not to bite them, so, the person picked it up, put it inside their coat, and it bit them, and the person said or exclaimed, "why did you bite me, you said you wouldn't do that...?" To which the snake replied, "Hey, you knew what I was when you picked me up..."

    God Bless!
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2019
  13. throughfireytrial

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    Thinking that you are guilty of the same error which you believe Eve committed...adding to God's Words with your conjectures...are you not?
     
  14. Neogaia777

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    Not conjectures, logic...

    And I would refer you to post #10 and #11...

    God Bless!
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    Adam should have told God, "That dang serpent you made and put by that tree", but, then again, it would never had been a problem if we would have told Eve rightly either, or let Eve know all she needed to know ahead of time to prevent it from ever happening, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  16. Neogaia777

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    And Adam is guilty of the same sin Eve committed... and maybe even more so since he was not deceived and the woman was thoroughly deceived, both by Adam and the serpent, and some might even take that as far to say "God" as well, or also, but I don't know that I would...

    God Bless!
     
  17. Neogaia777

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    If anything the woman is the only innocent one in all of this...

    God Bless!
     
  18. Vicky gould

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    may I offer this and see what you think. I agree the Tree of Life was symbolic of Christ and His Grace. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil must be the Law because Paul tells us it is impossible to know what sin is unless the Law tells us what sin is. How else could Adam and Eve know?

    The serpent is one of my favorite characters because when we begin to see who he is the magnitude of what happened and what is going to happen go off the charts for horror. The Serpent can only be understood by understanding who had come for Adam and Eve. The sheep had fallen and the Good Shepherd came seeking the Lost. This of course is The Christ. Now Satan also is a trinity but a trinity of evil and this is the middle person of the evil trinity the one who will be revealed as anti-Christ.

    Trinity of evil can be seen in two teachings. We find Satan in heaven accusing the brethren day and night before God the Father. Just as the son of Satan opposed and counterfeited the Christ so Satan the father opposes and like the Father has never been seen. That leaves the false prophet but who might be better named the unholy spirit. The false prophet we are told is at work in the world denying the Christ. Not hard to see his work just as the Holy Spirit's work by His fruit. These three can never be in more than one place at one time. anti-Christ who is locked in the Abyss waiting to be released in the End Times. When he is released he is coming with the false prophet who will as angels can do be seen as a man. With them is coming not a 200,00,000 man army but these are not ordinary soldiers these are the fallen angels being held in chains for the time of judgment. The Lord foretold that those future days would be like in the Days of Noah when fallen angels walked the earth doing whatever they desired. This demonic army is that which will cause men's hearts to melt in abject fear. What happens next is extremely important. The Lord returns with His angels and the Lord defeats them at Armageddon. Anti-Christ the false prophet and their angels are defeated. Anti- Christ and the false prophet are thrown in the Lake of Fire. No ordinary men are thrown into the LOF until after the GWTJ. Now Satan the father is brought down from heaven and placed into the same prison, the Abyss, anti- Christ had been held prisoner. 1,000 years Satan the father is locked in the Abyss. Then he is allowed a short time in which he deceives the Gentile nations, leads them against Jerusalem and is defeated. Satan the father is now thrown in the LOF where anti Christ and the false prophet have been for a thousand years. Then the dead are raised and all whose name is not in the Lamb's Book of Life are judged and then they are thrown into the LOF. your thoughts please. thanks.
     
  19. Neogaia777

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    That goes beyond what I know... (but not what I've heard of)...

    But I am aware that Satan will be like a false father god, and will be instituting/setting up a false trinity, and a false religious system that will appear to some to be like the true one, but will not be the true one...

    But it also clearly states that this system and it's followers will speak many blasphemies against the true Christ and His true Father, and I think the true Holy Spirit as well, and will be greatly persecuting and even torturing, tormenting, and putting to death, true believers, and will be hating and persecuting them very much and to an excessive degree...

    All, set up by the future global world leader or Antichrist on earth, and will be like a false Christ to many, but discernment is needed to know how one can be like the true Christ to many, and be appearing to set up a true system, and yet be against them (the true ones) and the true trinity, and be speaking great blasphemies against them, "all at the same time", (at the same time as appearing to be like the true one, or true ones, etc)...

    Careful discernment is needed and is a must...

    God Bless!
     
  20. throughfireytrial

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    God as well? But perhaps you shouldn't expound!
     
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