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Adam and Eve and The Garden of Eden, "You shall not touch it, lest you die"...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Neogaia777

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    Genesis 3...

    1 "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?

    2 And the woman said unto the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (which was not part of the command, the not touching it part, so lets start with that)

    4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, (seeing his opening in the whole you shall not touch it or you will die part, that was Adam's error and mistake, who was not with her when this was happening or going on) Anyway, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.

    6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, (the serpent planted the desire in Eve to touch it and take of it and eat it, due to the opening he saw about Adam's not properly telling her the command but adding to it with the whole you shall not touch it or you will die part) Anyway, then she took of the fruit thereof, (touched it first and saw she did not die) and she did eat it (after that, and saw that she did not die); and (then) she gave also unto her husband (when) with her ("when with her" one translation says, which is very important), and he did eat. (after he saw that she already had eaten of it, after she joined him (Adam) again) (seeing that she already had, and it was too late, etc)...

    7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig-leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    8 And they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Jehovah God amongst the trees of the garden.

    9 And Jehovah God called unto the man, and said unto him, Where art thou?

    10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

    12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

    (Adam saw that Eve had already eaten of it, by the time she had re-joined him, and was he to let her be cursed on her own or stand alone, when it might have been all Adam's fault for adding to God's command about the tree with the whole, "You shall not touch it or you will die", part to Eve, etc)...

    I think Adam already knew the serpent and knew of his temptations, might have even been tried on Adam before Eve was ever in the picture, for it says Adam was not deceived, and He knew all the animals, and had named or defined them, etc) (Adam was not deceived in that he knew of the serpents temptations and the tree, and with the tree, etc, but did not know the difference between good and evil, or what evil was yet)

    (and it was partially Adam's fault for not telling Eve or properly or accurately telling Eve the right command about the tree but adding to it, which gave the serpent the opening with Eve)

    But Adam probably had seen that Eve had already fallen by the time she re-joined him and gave him the fruit to eat of, (saw that it was already too late for his beloved wife Eve) and was he to let her stand alone, he loved her greatly and dearly, bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh... Adam replied to God, "the woman you gave me", maybe kind of saying to God, "what was I supposed to do, oh God...?" Trying to blame God saying it was His fault, when it was his own's, Adam's fault...

    Anyway,

    Comments...?

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  2. Neogaia777

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    Adam was not deceived not because he knew good and evil, or knew evil, but because he knew the serpent, literally "knew" the serpent, and knew of God's (accurate and word for word) command about the tree, he was not deceived because he knew the serpent and knew (of) his temptations, or his attempts to deceive, which he may have knew and/or encountered and/or knew, long before Eve ever was, or was ever around, and, Eve, apparently did not, all because of Adam...

    Which Adam tried to blame God for, and Eve tried to blame the serpent for...

    God Bless!
     
  3. now faith

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    Not stated in Schripture but I believe Adam partook of the fruit to save Eve.
    He was willing to die for her, and this may sound mushy but I believe his love for her was the reason he joined Her in Sin.
     
  4. Neogaia777

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    I tend to agree, but was that the right choice...?

    Eve was by herself when the serpent tempted her and tricked her into first touching it (and seeing that she did not die) then eating it, "then" (afterward, after eating of it alone and by herself) (seeing that she did not literally die, etc) then she took it to Adam, and then, he ate of it too, him seeing that she had already eaten of it... And I think Adam saw her as dead though, or as have already died in the sense that God meant at that time, and decided to eat of it too, to join her in it, the dying spiritually, etc...

    Maybe thinking it was his fault, but also wanting to blame God for it at the same time, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  5. Oscarr

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    The devil always misquotes God when he wants to deceive. God told Adam that if he ate of the fruit he would die, not just touch it. Satan misquoted God to confuse Eve as to what God actually said.

    Yes, Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the snake and the snake didn't have a leg to stand on!
     
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  6. Neogaia777

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    We don't know if the serpent was misquoting God or not... but he first asked Eve what God had said about it first, and since she had added the "do not touch it" part, that Adam had apparently taught and told her, which was Adam's responsibility, he (the serpent) saw his opening, so to speak, and probably could have said anything he wanted after that...

    But Eve touched it first, and saw she did not die, then ate of it, and saw she did not die, and, because she was alone when she did this, went to Adam and took it (the fruit) to Adam and gave it to Adam with a few bites from her already taken out of it, etc...

    Adam saw this and had a choice and decision to make, and since the Bible says he was not deceived, (that I explained that in the OP and post #2, and #4), but, Adam tried to blame God saying "the woman you gave me", the way you made her, or made her to do this, etc, the woman then tried to or did blame the serpent, etc, etc, etc, stuff I already said...

    Did you even read the stuff I already said BTW, cause it kind of seems as though you didn't or may not have...?

    God Bless!
     
  7. ilovejcsog

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    How did Adam know the serpent? I didn't know that.
     
  8. Mathetes66

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    Too much adding to & taking away from the Word of God & too much presumption & speculation as to what happened when Scripture doesn't say many of the things stated here happened that way. No more needs to be said.
     
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  9. Neogaia777

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    He named it, and in that original language, the name was the thing, and the thing was the name, which means you "knew" it, fully...

    This was before the language got corrupted or divided or scattered...

    And Adam had "named" all of the animals long before Eve was ever made or came on the scene...

    And it was Adam's responsibility to "educate" Eve on these things or about these animals, and also God's words, or commands, etc, as well...

    And He "messed up" apparently...

    God Bless!
     
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  10. Neogaia777

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    And when you explain anything from the bible or scriptures in your own words, are you adding to it...?

    You probably better not say anything at all, in any of your own words at all then, if that is how you are judging...

    Whenever you talk about anything in and/or from the Bible, then in your own judgment you adding to it or else taking away from it then...

    And do you ever do that...?

    Because, if you do, you should not be judging me then...

    Or do you always speak with "only scripture", and only scripture and not ever anything else...? Especially when it comes to the things of God, etc...?

    I guarantee you, you have, and as a matter of fact I believe I've seen you do it on here a lot of times, so...

    God Bless!
     
  11. Neogaia777

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    And your also twisting the Scripture that talks about adding and taking away from it...

    It was not talking about "commentary" or whatever, or expressing different interpretations or explanations or points of view of what some scripture means...

    It is talking about adding books to the Bible or adding some of your own or another's words that should be also regarded as holy scripture or part of the Bible or on equal level or footing with the Bible... "adding to" what has already been written and accepted as Holy Scripture already...

    Or else, by taking away from it, only regarding parts of it as holy scripture and not other parts or rejecting other parts of it/them...

    That's what it really means...

    Things like the book of Mormon for example, or as one example, not commentary, or expositions, or explanations, or other books written about God or the Bible that are not regarded as holy scripture, or as being on equal level or footing with the Bible or Holy Scripture, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  12. ilovejcsog

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    sorry
     
  13. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt. You can call me Rox

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    That's really interesting broNeo, I hadn't thought of that. He did name them so that makes sense.
    Thanks and God bless you:)
     
  14. Neogaia777

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    About what...?

    No need to apologize all the time @ilovejcsog,

    Much love in Christ sister,

    God Bless!
     
  15. ilovejcsog

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    Sorry because I had a double post again. I despise my ISP. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Love you back in Jesus:)
     
  16. ilovejcsog

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    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
     
  17. bmjackson

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    A very good point and well stated. Adam had also permitted the serpent into the garden when God had already banished him.
     
  18. joshua 1 9

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    The beginning of a story is very important. This sets the pace for what follows. The serpent begins by telling Eve what God said. He does not argue with her about what God said. Only the serpent wants to mess with her understanding of what God said. Just as we have to translate and interpret the Bible.
    To touch the fruit means to leave your fingerprint or impression upon the fruit. The idea is not to allow the fruit to touch her and leave an impression upon her.

    They say that Queen Esther is a type of Eve only Esther fasted and did not give into the serpent. So she saved herself and she saved her people.
     
  19. Neogaia777

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    Yes, but the serpent had not been banished from the Garden yet and was not yet considered a cursed creature at that time, that happened when he caused them (Adam and Eve) to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and die spiritually or in a spiritual sense immediately or at that time... And could no longer be allowed in the Garden anymore, etc...

    It wasn't about Adam permitting the serpent in the Garden IOW's, it was one of the animals not yet considered cursed yet at that time, that God had made for Adam to "name" or know, etc...

    Which Adam did know, as I already explained earlier, but apparently Eve did not fully know yet, or she would not have fallen for it's temptation... Adam's fault though really, that he tried to put off on God, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  20. Neogaia777

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    Jesus is also a picture of Adam, and maybe Adam choosing to die with Eve, or for Eve, is maybe reflective of Christ and the Church or Jesus dying for us or His people or His church, etc...

    The "cup" that Jesus drank from or was baptized with, (Matthew 20:22-23) (Mark 10:38-39) was full of God's wrath and anger, or the cup full of the harlots disgusting or abominable things, which may be also the "fire" (Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16) and God's vengeance/wrath, which does not harm the saints, or is a spiritual death or the second death, etc, (Revelation 20:6)...

    Anyway, might be all representative or might be the same thing as the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...

    Additional references for this: (Matthew 26:27) (Matthew 26:42) (John 18:11) (Revelation 16:19) (Revelation 14:8) (Revelation 17:4)...

    God Bless!
     
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