Acts 21-28 Paul is a Messianic Jew and declares his views under oath

[Frogster]

Except for the Bible fact that we see them there in Acts 13, Acts 17 and Acts 18 (even non-Christian God-fearing gentiles are there) and except for what James says

13 After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, “Brethren, listen to me. 14 Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. 15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 ‘After these things I will return,
And I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen,
And I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will restore it,
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’
18 Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.

19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”


It is obvious that James is not in charge of the entire Jewish nation - the words spoken here are in recognition of the fact that the gentiles over whom this debate is being had - are hearing the scriptures every Sabbath in the Synagogues - in every city ... And as we saw in Acts 13, 17, 18 this is true even of non-Christian yet God-fearing gentiles - not just the Christian gentiles.


in Christ,


Bob

but why by 49 AD would gentile Christians be in now hostile synagogues?

Why would Paul want them in judaizer, zealot, plots of the jews, synagogues?

You never answered this point..

Why in Acts 15, on the way to the meeting, and on the way back, did Paul and crew go to churches, not synagogues?


Bro, the zealots were in the synagogues, demanding circumcision, the very environment Paul want to fight off in Jerusalem, your notion contradicts the whole point!



Acts 20:19serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials which came upon me through the plots of the Jews;

Don't you understand, there were hostilities from the jews towards Christians, even back to Acts 8 it was approved, and by 12 even more?


Paaaaleeeease!


Acts 12:2 He killed James the brother of John with the sword, 3 and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. This was during the days of Unleavened Bread.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by bugkiller

There's nothing in Acts 15 to support the idea Christians were in the synagogues.​

​

Except for the Bible fact that we see them there in Acts 13, Acts 17 and Acts 18 (even non-Christian God-fearing gentiles are there) and except for what James says

13 After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, “Brethren, listen to me. 14 Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. 15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 ‘After these things I will return,
And I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen,
And I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will restore it,
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’
18 Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.

19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”


It is obvious that James is not in charge of the entire Jewish nation - the words spoken here are in recognition of the fact that the gentiles over whom this debate is being had - are hearing the scriptures every Sabbath in the Synagogues - in every city ... And as we saw in Acts 13, 17, 18 this is true even of non-Christian yet God-fearing gentiles - not just the Christian gentiles.

James' solution relies on the fact that they are hearing scripture every Sabbath in the Synagogues in every city. No vendetta here against the Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai.

notice then the "details" in Paul's clarification to his fellow Messianic Jews in Acts 21.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

(Many on this board would be tempted to argue - "yeah... that is EXACTLY what Paul was doing!" - Paul goes out of his way to disprove it.



22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law..

And those who want to just focus on one tiny verse in Acts 21 -- Acts 21:25 to the exclusion of the entire episode - find that there in that one tiny verse gentiles are not commandment to "Love God with all their heart" or to "love your neighbor as yourself" nor even "thou shalt not murder" ... none of that is in Acts 21:25. Since obviously Acts 21:25 is NOT the "tiny 1 verse Bible left for gentiles" - but rather shows the restrictions from OT food laws that need to be held up as reminders for Gentiles as new practice they might not be familiar with.

What we have quoted there is this restriction from Lev 17 and eating meat with blood in it.

Acts 21:25
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”
​

In the case of the two above - they are from Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 -- quoted by Christ, and Paul and james 2 in Lev 19 form -- but not in Acts 21:25 or in Acts 15... because those two are not trying to downsize/resize scripture at all - they allow for all of it.

Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

but why by 49 AD would gentile Christians be in now hostile synagogues?

The synagogue is "the first place" Paul goes to reach gentiles and Jews in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18. And the God-fearing gentiles insist that He return "the next Sabbath".

The great animosity some have imagined for the first century church against God's Commandments - His Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai - just is not there.

When Christians were driven underground by persecution it was not sign that Christians "hated being above ground".

As we probably all agree.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

duplicate due to CF edit post bug

 

[listed]

[/INDENT]




James' solution relies on the fact that they are hearing scripture every Sabbath in the Synagogues in every city. No vendetta here against the Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai.





Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”




The synagogue is "the first place" Paul goes to reach gentiles and Jews in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18. And the God-fearing gentiles insist that He return "the next Sabbath".

The great animosity some have imagined for the first century church against God's Commandments - His Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai - just is not there.

When Christians were driven underground by persecution it was not sign that Christians "hated being above ground".

As we probably all agree.

in Christ,

Bob

You did not answer the question as usual.

 

[BobRyan]

I did answer the question -- and as usual it was right to the point - showing that even the Christian being persecuted and driven underground "was no proof" that they hated / or avoided -- being above ground.

The fact that they some were also driven away from their own practice of hearing the scriptures in synagogues is no different.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Paaaaleeeease!


Acts 12:2 He killed James the brother of John with the sword, 3 and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. This was during the days of Unleavened Bread.

And it is AFTER that -- in Acts 15 that James continues to insist that outside of Jerusalem the Christians in every city hear the scriptures in the synagogues every Sabbath.

And it is AFTER that - that in Acts 21 James insists that Paul and fellow Christians go to the temple.

As we all know already.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[listed]

I did answer the question -- and as usual it was right to the point - showing that even the Christian being persecuted and driven underground "was no proof" that they hated / or avoided -- being above ground.

The fact that they some were also driven away from their own practice of hearing the scriptures in synagogues is no different.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

You should review your post.

 

[BobRyan]

Thanks - I enjoy that.

 

[listed]

And it is AFTER that -- in Acts 15 that James continues to insist that outside of Jerusalem the Christians in every city hear the scriptures in the synagogues every Sabbath.

And it is AFTER that - that in Acts 21 James insists that Paul and fellow Christians go to the temple.

As we all know already.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

No he does not. He does make a request of Paul though.

 

[BobRyan]

Acts 12:2 He killed James the brother of John with the sword, 3 and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. This was during the days of Unleavened Bread.

And it is AFTER that -- in Acts 15 that James continues to insist that outside of Jerusalem the Christians in every city hear the scriptures in the synagogues every Sabbath.

And it is AFTER that - that in Acts 21 James insists that Paul and fellow Christians go to the temple.

As we all know already.

The point remains.

No he does not. He does make a request of Paul though.

We differ.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Frogster]

[/INDENT]




James' solution relies on the fact that they are hearing scripture every Sabbath in the Synagogues in every city. No vendetta here against the Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai.





Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”




The synagogue is "the first place" Paul goes to reach gentiles and Jews in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18. And the God-fearing gentiles insist that He return "the next Sabbath".

The great animosity some have imagined for the first century church against God's Commandments - His Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai - just is not there.

When Christians were driven underground by persecution it was not sign that Christians "hated being above ground".

As we probably all agree.

in Christ,

Bob

Yes, it was a place Paul went to, and in Acts 13, at a synagogue he said you can't be saved by the law of Moses! Look at 13:39.

The trouble was from the Jews, not the God fearers, the Jews accepted them, but did not want Christians around. Do you know that there is a difference with an unsaved gentile God fearer, and a Gentile CHRISTIAN??


Look how you ignore the hostility right from your quoted chapters..it was from the Jews, that is why Paul would not want his disciples in the synagogues, once they were saved.


Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began to contradict what was spoken by Paul, reviling him.



Acts 17:5 But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked men of the rabble, they formed a mob, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the crowd.




Acts 17:13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.




Acts 18:12 But when Gallio was proconsul of Achaia, the Jews made a united attack on Paul and brought him before the tribunal,


Alrighty, so now we see Paul was right, the plots of the Jews were real, and the last place Christians would want to go is in a synagoge, and that is the last place Paul would want them to go to. You keep forgetting he went to Jerusalem to ward off Judaism. Why would he want his disciples in a Jewish synagogue, around the very environment he went to fight off in Jerusalem?

 

[Frogster]

[/INDENT]




James' solution relies on the fact that they are hearing scripture every Sabbath in the Synagogues in every city. No vendetta here against the Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai.





Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”




The synagogue is "the first place" Paul goes to reach gentiles and Jews in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18. And the God-fearing gentiles insist that He return "the next Sabbath".

The great animosity some have imagined for the first century church against God's Commandments - His Ten Commandments as given by Christ at Sinai - just is not there.

When Christians were driven underground by persecution it was not sign that Christians "hated being above ground".

As we probably all agree.

in Christ,

Bob

Bob, what does paul address churches in his letters to Christians, not synagogues?

Did he go to see churches or synagogues?


Acts 15:41
And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.



Acts 16:5
So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily.

 

[Frogster]

And it is AFTER that -- in Acts 15 that James continues to insist that outside of Jerusalem the Christians in every city hear the scriptures in the synagogues every Sabbath.

And it is AFTER that - that in Acts 21 James insists that Paul and fellow Christians go to the temple.

As we all know already.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

Bro, even james was in a church, not a synagogue!

11:22 The report of this came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch

All james was saying was that all the jews knew was the law, it was about trying to harmonize a bit, in other words, don't freak out the jews, all they know is the law for a long long time.

You are reading way too much into 15:21, going against alot of history and fact.

Did Jews get saved in the synagogues? yes, but then they would no longer be welcomed, as the God fearers were, who were not Christians.

The key word is CHRISTIAN..that was the division, because that word meant the Jews were wrong to kill the Messiah, God fearers did not prove them wrong, the Jews tolerated them, hoping to convert them, as they did, this is all fact.

You post no fact, just wish and speculation, with all due respect, sorry, but it it's true.

Thanks! frog.

 

[Frogster]

And it is AFTER that -- in Acts 15 that James continues to insist that outside of Jerusalem the Christians in every city hear the scriptures in the synagogues every Sabbath.

And it is AFTER that - that in Acts 21 James insists that Paul and fellow Christians go to the temple.

As we all know already.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

No, Acts 21 had a reason, i showed it to you over and over.

by the way, you're wrong, the "fellow" was who the Jews used to try to kill paul, for bringing a gentiles into the temple.



21:29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan

notice then the "details" in Paul's clarification to his fellow Messianic Jews in Acts 21.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

(Many on this board would be tempted to argue - "yeah... that is EXACTLY what Paul was doing!" - Paul goes out of his way to disprove it.



22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law..

And those who want to just focus on one tiny verse in Acts 21 -- Acts 21:25 to the exclusion of the entire episode - find that there in that one tiny verse gentiles are not commandment to "Love God with all their heart" or to "love your neighbor as yourself" nor even "thou shalt not murder" ... none of that is in Acts 21:25. Since obviously Acts 21:25 is NOT the "tiny 1 verse Bible left for gentiles" - but rather shows the restrictions from OT food laws that need to be held up as reminders for Gentiles as new practice they might not be familiar with.

What we have quoted there is this restriction from Lev 17 and eating meat with blood in it.

Acts 21:25
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”
​

In the case of the two above - they are from Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 -- quoted by Christ, and Paul and james 2 in Lev 19 form -- but not in Acts 21:25 or in Acts 15... because those two are not trying to downsize/resize scripture at all - they allow for all of it.
​

Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

No, Acts 21 had a reason

Indeed it did -- i showed it to you over and over.

James recommends that Paul go to the Temple and Paul agrees - they do this to "prove a point" against the false accusations being made against Paul.

What were the false accusations? James tells us all what they were.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

Paul is ready to take immediate steps to refute that false accusation.

how - "instructive"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Frogster]

Originally Posted by BobRyan

notice then the "details" in Paul's clarification to his fellow Messianic Jews in Acts 21.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

(Many on this board would be tempted to argue - "yeah... that is EXACTLY what Paul was doing!" - Paul goes out of his way to disprove it.



22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law..

And those who want to just focus on one tiny verse in Acts 21 -- Acts 21:25 to the exclusion of the entire episode - find that there in that one tiny verse gentiles are not commandment to "Love God with all their heart" or to "love your neighbor as yourself" nor even "thou shalt not murder" ... none of that is in Acts 21:25. Since obviously Acts 21:25 is NOT the "tiny 1 verse Bible left for gentiles" - but rather shows the restrictions from OT food laws that need to be held up as reminders for Gentiles as new practice they might not be familiar with.

What we have quoted there is this restriction from Lev 17 and eating meat with blood in it.

Acts 21:25
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”
​

In the case of the two above - they are from Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 -- quoted by Christ, and Paul and james 2 in Lev 19 form -- but not in Acts 21:25 or in Acts 15... because those two are not trying to downsize/resize scripture at all - they allow for all of it.
​

Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”





Indeed it did -- i showed it to you over and over.

James recommends that Paul go to the Temple and Paul agrees - they do this to "prove a point" against the false accusations being made against Paul.

What were the false accusations? James tells us all what they were.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

Paul is ready to take immediate steps to refute that false accusation.

how - "instructive"

in Christ,

Bob

I offered a great post several times, about the reasons for Acts 21, you ignore it, as you do history, and the whole of Paul's theology.

But we have been on the synagogue issue. You did ignore the hostility verses I posted also. Why? because they prove my point, about Acts 15:21, and why Paul would NOT want his disciples in the synagogues. Churches were not synagogues, you ignore that too.

5 times the synagogues did this to Paul. And you want us to believe that the synagogues were where Paul thinks they should go, even though he addressed churches!


2 cor 11:24 Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one.

 

[Frogster]

Originally Posted by BobRyan

notice then the "details" in Paul's clarification to his fellow Messianic Jews in Acts 21.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

(Many on this board would be tempted to argue - "yeah... that is EXACTLY what Paul was doing!" - Paul goes out of his way to disprove it.



22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law..

And those who want to just focus on one tiny verse in Acts 21 -- Acts 21:25 to the exclusion of the entire episode - find that there in that one tiny verse gentiles are not commandment to "Love God with all their heart" or to "love your neighbor as yourself" nor even "thou shalt not murder" ... none of that is in Acts 21:25. Since obviously Acts 21:25 is NOT the "tiny 1 verse Bible left for gentiles" - but rather shows the restrictions from OT food laws that need to be held up as reminders for Gentiles as new practice they might not be familiar with.

What we have quoted there is this restriction from Lev 17 and eating meat with blood in it.

Acts 21:25
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”
​

In the case of the two above - they are from Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 -- quoted by Christ, and Paul and james 2 in Lev 19 form -- but not in Acts 21:25 or in Acts 15... because those two are not trying to downsize/resize scripture at all - they allow for all of it.
​

Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”





Indeed it did -- i showed it to you over and over.

James recommends that Paul go to the Temple and Paul agrees - they do this to "prove a point" against the false accusations being made against Paul.

What were the false accusations? James tells us all what they were.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

Paul is ready to take immediate steps to refute that false accusation.

how - "instructive"

in Christ,

Bob

Lets get some historical perspective here, Paul was beaten there, Just like Jesus warned about, so time to put away this notion, that in 49 AD Paul wanted them in the synagogues.



Mattt 10:17 Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues




Matthew 23:34
Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,




John 16:2
They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.

 

[Frogster]

Originally Posted by BobRyan

notice then the "details" in Paul's clarification to his fellow Messianic Jews in Acts 21.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

(Many on this board would be tempted to argue - "yeah... that is EXACTLY what Paul was doing!" - Paul goes out of his way to disprove it.



22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law..

And those who want to just focus on one tiny verse in Acts 21 -- Acts 21:25 to the exclusion of the entire episode - find that there in that one tiny verse gentiles are not commandment to "Love God with all their heart" or to "love your neighbor as yourself" nor even "thou shalt not murder" ... none of that is in Acts 21:25. Since obviously Acts 21:25 is NOT the "tiny 1 verse Bible left for gentiles" - but rather shows the restrictions from OT food laws that need to be held up as reminders for Gentiles as new practice they might not be familiar with.

What we have quoted there is this restriction from Lev 17 and eating meat with blood in it.

Acts 21:25
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”
​

In the case of the two above - they are from Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 -- quoted by Christ, and Paul and james 2 in Lev 19 form -- but not in Acts 21:25 or in Acts 15... because those two are not trying to downsize/resize scripture at all - they allow for all of it.
​

Clearly the Christian church had no vendetta against the TEN Commandments, or against the 4th Commandment at the time of Acts 15 and Acts 21.


. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”





Indeed it did -- i showed it to you over and over.

James recommends that Paul go to the Temple and Paul agrees - they do this to "prove a point" against the false accusations being made against Paul.

What were the false accusations? James tells us all what they were.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

Paul is ready to take immediate steps to refute that false accusation.

how - "instructive"

in Christ,

Bob

does it say synagogues here, or churches?


Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers[a] who are with me,

To the churches of Galatia:

 

[BobRyan]

Lets get some historical perspective here, Paul was beaten there, Just like Jesus warned about, so time to put away this notion, that in 49 AD Paul wanted them in the synagogues.



Mattt 10:17 Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues




Matthew 23:34
Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,




John 16:2
They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.

Acts 13 - it is the Synagogue where they meet Sabbath after Sabbath.

In Acts 17 it is the Synagogue where they meet Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath.

In Acts 18 is is the Synagogue where they meet Sabbath after Sabbath.

No wonder in Acts 15 James is still so adamant about this Bible instruction going on in the Synagogues each Sabbath.

This is not against house-churches - but it shows that they were meeting in Synagogues - not just house churches.

No wonder in Acts 21 James insists on Paul going not merely to the Synagogue - but to the TEMPLE

The point remains.

 

[Frogster]

Acts 13 - it is the Synagogue where they meet Sabbath after Sabbath.

In Acts 17 it is the Synagogue where they meet Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath.

In Acts 18 is is the Synagogue where they meet Sabbath after Sabbath.

No wonder in Acts 15 James is still so adamant about this Bible instruction going on in the Synagogues each Sabbath.

This is not against house-churches - but it shows that they were meeting in Synagogues - not just house churches.

No wonder in Acts 21 James insists on Paul going not merely to the Synagogue - but to the TEMPLE

The point remains.

they were not Christians in the synagogues, prove they were. Why would Paul preach to already saved people in those chapters?