Acts 21-28 Paul is a Messianic Jew and declares his views under oath

[Open Heart]

So the poster is saying that Paul was one of these? I don't get the point in relation to the post or is there not a relation to the post?

Paul was a Jewish believer who testified under Festus that he had not broken any Jewish law. He even accompanied other Jews into the Temple to offer their sacrifices. I'd certainly call that being a Nazarene.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul was a Jewish believer who testified under Festus that he had not broken any Jewish law. He even accompanied other Jews into the Temple to offer their sacrifices. I'd certainly call that being a Nazarene.

I just find it very odd that Paul wrote more of the New Testament than anyone else and never identified with anything other than being a servant of Christ. That's what and who Paul is and I don't concern myself with these labels of people trying to put Christ's apostles into categories and apply labels to them.

So, I don't see the need to label or try to put Paul in a sect or category, specifically concerning the law or classifying him as anything other than an apostle which he was, to the gentiles, which he was.

 

[Open Heart]

I don't concern myself with these labels of people trying to put Christ's apostles into categories and apply labels to them.

As long as you understand that the Bible applies such labels.

Acts 24:5 He [Paul] is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect.

Acts 9:2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to The Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.

Acts 11:26 The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

 

[Open Heart]

So the poster is saying that Paul was one of these? I don't get the point in relation to the post or is there not a relation to the post?

Yes, Paul and all the Jewish believers (basically ALL the first Christians) were Notsrim.

 

[HARK!]

You tell me

Well ,depending on how one defines "Jews," they were Jews who believed that Yahshua was the Mashiach, or Messianic Jews.

Notsri means "offshoot," or "branch," referring to an offshoot of Judaism.

Yahshua was called a Notsri.

Sha'ul was the ringleader of the Sect of Notsri. (Acts 24:5)

 

[ToBeLoved]

As long as you understand that the Bible applies such labels.

Acts 24:5 He [Paul] is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect.

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That is an accusation. And Paul clarifies his beliefs in the following verses.

That’s not proof

 

[ToBeLoved]

Well ,depending on how one defines "Jews," they were Jews who believed that Yahshua was the Mashiach, or Messianic Jews.

Notsri means "offshoot," or "branch," referring to an offshoot of Judaism.

Yahshua was called a Notsri.

Sha'ul was the ringleader of the Sect of Notsri. (Acts 24:5)

Please read my previous post in response to Acts 24:5

 

[ToBeLoved]

Acts 9:2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to The Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.

Now this verse Acts 9:2 I’m surprised you would use because this is not even Paul (after conversion), but Saul the Pharisee looking for proof to persecute.

So I don’t see how this label would I’m anyway apply to Paul, who is still Saul preconversion.

So Paul was not of this
Sect or label either.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Acts 11:26 The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

I think this one proves my point. They could have assigned the disciples an existing label, but since none fit. Christian was created.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Well ,depending on how one defines "Jews," they were Jews who believed that Yahshua was the Mashiach, or Messianic Jews.

Notsri means "offshoot," or "branch," referring to an offshoot of Judaism.

Yahshua was called a Notsri.

Sha'ul was the ringleader of the Sect of Notsri. (Acts 24:5)

Where are the verses that show Yahahua was a Notsri?

 

[BobRyan]

The Notsri, or "Nazarenes" was what the believing Jews in Jerusalem were first called. They continued to practice Judaism, attend synagogues, and even offer sacrifices. They were considered a Jewish sect until after the Bar Kochba war when they got kicked out of the synagogues. See Acts 21:20

Paul said his group was called "The Way"

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul said his group was called "The Way"

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets

Verses

 

[listed]

Well ,depending on how one defines "Jews," they were Jews who believed that Yahshua was the Mashiach, or Messianic Jews.

Notsri means "offshoot," or "branch," referring to an offshoot of Judaism.

Yahshua was called a Notsri.

Sha'ul was the ringleader of the Sect of Notsri. (Acts 24:5)

Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism.

 

[HARK!]

Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism.

CLV) Ac 24:5
For, finding this man a pestilence andstirrer of insurrections among all the Jews who are on the inhabited earth, besides a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes,

 

[HARK!]

Where are the verses that show Yahahua was a Notsri?

(CLV) Mt 2:23
And coming, he dwells in a city termed Nazareth, so that that may be fulfilled which is declared through the prophets that: A Nazarene shall He be called.

 

[HARK!]

Please read my previous post in response to Acts 24:5

"Nazarenes" for Christians in Greek
In Acts, Paul of Tarsus is called, "a ringleader of the sect of the Nazoreans,"[8] thus identifying Nazorean with Christian. Although both "Christianios" (by Gentiles) and "Nazarenes" (by Jews) appear to have been current in the 1st century, and both are recorded in the New Testament, the Gentile name "Christian" appears to have won out against "Nazarene" in usage among Christians themselves after the 1st century

Nazarene (title) - Wikipedia

 

[ToBeLoved]

"Nazarenes" for Christians in Greek
In Acts, Paul of Tarsus is called, "a ringleader of the sect of the Nazoreans,"[8] thus identifying Nazorean with Christian. Although both "Christianios" (by Gentiles) and "Nazarenes" (by Jews) appear to have been current in the 1st century, and both are recorded in the New Testament, the Gentile name "Christian" appears to have won out against "Nazarene" in usage among Christians themselves after the 1st century

Nazarene (title) - Wikipedia

I don’t see that Biblically. Looks like a huge stretch to me.

 

[HARK!]

I don’t see that Biblically. Looks like a huge stretch to me.

Zechariah 3:
8 “‘Listen, High Priest Yahshua, you and your associates seated before you, who are men
symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch (Hebrew
Notsri; English Nazarene i.e. Yahshua the Nazarene)

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul said his group was called "The Way"

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets

It says according to the Way which they call a sect.

And then Paul clarified his position of worshipping the God of his fathers.

I don’t think this shows
Paul was part
Of any
Sect.

 

[listed]

CLV) Ac 24:5
For, finding this man a pestilence andstirrer of insurrections among all the Jews who are on the inhabited earth, besides a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes,

Your verse is what Jews are claiming. Your verse doesn't make Christianity a sect of Judaism.