Acts 21-28 Paul is a Messianic Jew and declares his views under oath

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(CLV) Mt 2:23
And coming, he dwells in a city termed Nazareth, so that that may be fulfilled which is declared through the prophets that: A Nazarene shall He be called.

So Jesus is from Nazareth. That isn't a derogatory category.

 

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"Nazarenes" for Christians in Greek
In Acts, Paul of Tarsus is called, "a ringleader of the sect of the Nazoreans,"[8] thus identifying Nazorean with Christian. Although both "Christianios" (by Gentiles) and "Nazarenes" (by Jews) appear to have been current in the 1st century, and both are recorded in the New Testament, the Gentile name "Christian" appears to have won out against "Nazarene" in usage among Christians themselves after the 1st century

Nazarene (title) - Wikipedia

What is your purpose of this line of posts?

 

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Zechariah 3:
8 “‘Listen, High Priest Yahshua, you and your associates seated before you, who are men
symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch (Hebrew
Notsri; English Nazarene i.e. Yahshua the Nazarene)

The verse has nothing to do with a sect of Judaism. The verse has nothing to do with Jesus being from Nazareth.

 

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Paul said his group was called "The Way"

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets

Not an admission of belonging.

 

[BobRyan]

The Notsri, or "Nazarenes" was what the believing Jews in Jerusalem were first called. They continued to practice Judaism, attend synagogues, and even offer sacrifices. They were considered a Jewish sect until after the Bar Kochba war when they got kicked out of the synagogues. See Acts 21:20

Paul said his group was called "The Way"

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets

Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism.

I find your logic "illusive"

 

[BobRyan]

The Notsri, or "Nazarenes" was what the believing Jews in Jerusalem were first called. They continued to practice Judaism, attend synagogues, and even offer sacrifices. They were considered a Jewish sect until after the Bar Kochba war when they got kicked out of the synagogues. See Acts 21:20

Paul said his group was called "The Way"

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets

Not an admission of belonging.

I find your logic "illusive"

 

[BobRyan]

Christianity was a sect of Judaism - all of its leaders Jews - its Bible the OT, its teaching about the OT Messiah and as we see in Acts 13 Paul was asked to speak in the Synagogue -- not like he was of some foreign religion. There was nothing anti-OT about "The Messiah has come".

 

[BobRyan]

What is encouraging is that the span from Acts 21-28 gives a great view of how Paul declared his own practice "under oath" and before both Jews and gentiles starting with clarification of his teaching for his fellow Messianic Jews.



Acts 21
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law

Acts 24
14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets


Acts 25
8 while he answered for himself;Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all.;


Acts 26
Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come; 23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles;

Acts 28
17 And it came to pass after three days that Paul called the leaders of the Jews together. So when they had come together, he said to them: Men and brethren, though I have done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans,... I have called for you, to see you and speak with you, because for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
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23 So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening

 

[ToBeLoved]

(CLV) Mt 2:23
And coming, he dwells in a city termed Nazareth, so that that may be fulfilled which is declared through the prophets that: A Nazarene shall He be called.

People were always identified as a secondary by the city/town.

Like so Mary of Magdalah.

Jesus of Narareth.

Just to clarify, a town geographically in a country does not equal a religion.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Your verse is what Jews are claiming. Your verse doesn't make Christianity a sect of Judaism.

Now the Jews want to claim Paul. Am I in a dream?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Zechariah 3:
8 “‘Listen, High Priest Yahshua, you and your associates seated before you, who are men
symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch (Hebrew
Notsri; English Nazarene i.e. Yahshua the Nazarene)

“Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Zechariah 3:8; Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. #wondered…: Heb. of wonder, or, sign

Seems like you have a mix up. Notice that it says in Hebrew of wonder or sign.

Seems like your Hebrew is way off.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Christianity was a sect of Judaism - all of its leaders Jews - its Bible the OT, its teaching about the OT Messiah and as we see in Acts 13 Paul was asked to speak in the Synagogue -- not like he was of some foreign religion. There was nothing anti-OT about "The Messiah has come".

Our Messiah is the Jewish Messiah and as our Lord promised, He came for His chosen people.

The Jewish people who actually believed He is Messiah started a new religion. Of course the prophets and patriarchs are part of our history.

I love that all the apostles are Jews. It shows that our Lord kept His Old Testament promise.

 

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“Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Zechariah 3:8; Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. #wondered…: Heb. of wonder, or, sign

Seems like you have a mix up. Notice that it says in Hebrew of wonder or sign.

Seems like your Hebrew is way off.

Lexicon :: Strong's H6780 - tsemach

צֶמַח
Transliteration
tsemach
Pronunciation
tseh'·makh (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From צָמַח (H6779)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 1928a

KJV Translation Count — Total: 12x
The KJV translates Strong's H6780 in the following manner: Branch (4x), bud (3x), branch (1x), that which grew (1x), spring (1x), springing (1x), grew (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. sprout, growth, branch
   
   1. sprouting, growth, sprout
      
      
   2. growth (of process)
      
      
   3. sprout, shoot (of Messiah from Davidic tree)
      

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
צֶמַח tsemach, tseh'-makh; from H6779; a sprout (usually concrete), literal or figurative:—branch, bud, that which (where) grew (upon), spring(-ing).
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon [?]

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[HARK!]

People were always identified as a secondary by the city/town.

Like so Mary of Magdalah.

Jesus of Narareth.

Just to clarify, a town geographically in a country does not equal a religion.

Are you building your understanding on a false dichotomy? Why can't it be both? I love the depth of the layers in which Yahweh reveals his plan.

 

[HARK!]

The verse has nothing to do with a sect of Judaism. The verse has nothing to do with Jesus being from Nazareth.

When did I say that it did? It's simply relevant to underlying subject.

 

[HARK!]

The verse has nothing to do with a sect of Judaism. The verse has nothing to do with Jesus being from Nazareth.

Then you tell me; what does "symbolic of things to come" speak of?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Are you building your understanding on a false dichotomy? Why can't it be both? I love the depth of the layers in which Yahweh reveals his plan.

Because one is a religious sect and the other is a geographic location.

And God didn’t send the Messiah, God Himself to be part of some other religious sect.

Have you read a Bible?

I know you are desperate to try to tie things to your own belief system, but your really sounding most desperate to make any connection at all.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Lexicon :: Strong's H6780 - tsemach

צֶמַח
Transliteration
tsemach
Pronunciation
tseh'·makh (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From צָמַח (H6779)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 1928a

KJV Translation Count — Total: 12x
The KJV translates Strong's H6780 in the following manner: Branch (4x), bud (3x), branch (1x), that which grew (1x), spring (1x), springing (1x), grew (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. sprout, growth, branch
   1. sprouting, growth, sprout
      
      
   2. growth (of process)
      
      
   3. sprout, shoot (of Messiah from Davidic tree)

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
צֶמַח tsemach, tseh'-makh; from H6779; a sprout (usually concrete), literal or figurative:—branch, bud, that which (where) grew (upon), spring(-ing).
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon [?]

Read the Full Entry

So which definition does it fall under? 1, 2 or 3

 

[HARK!]

Your verse is what Jews are claiming. Your verse doesn't make Christianity a sect of Judaism.

Yes it does; but I don't even need this verse to disprove your bald assertion.

Yahshua, Shau'l, and all of Yahshua's apostles were all practicing "Jews."

 

[HARK!]

Your verse is what Jews are claiming. Your verse doesn't make Christianity a sect of Judaism.

Yes it does; but I don't even need this verse to disprove your bald assertion.

Yahshua, Shau'l, and all of Yahshua's apostles were all practicing "Jews."