Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Jipsah]

I wonder what good science will be to these globe earth unbelievers in the lake of fire.​

Ah, so if we don't believe in false, and tbh, ridiculous, idea of a flat earth, then we're going to hell.

Weird religion you have there, then. Doesn't seem to have much to do with Christianity. The Bible doesn't say the earth is flat, but you'd have he belief that it is as necessary for salvation. Do you have a special version of th Apostle's Creed that says, "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, in Jesus Chriist, His Son, and that the earth is flat"?

 

[prodromos]

Ah, so if we don't believe in false, and tbh, ridiculous, idea of a flat earth, then we're going to hell.

Weird religion you have there, then. Doesn't seem to have much to do with Christianity. The Bible doesn't say the earth is flat, but you'd have he belief that it is as necessary for salvation. Do you have a special version of th Apostle's Creed that says, "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, in Jesus Chriist, His Son, and that the earth is flat"?

You misread his post.

"globe earth unbelievers" would be those who have ceased to believe in a globe earth.

I have to admit it is a pretty silly rhetorical question for @d taylor to be asking himself, given his complete disregard for the scientific method, but to each his own I guess.

 

[d taylor]

Ah, so if we don't believe in false, and tbh, ridiculous, idea of a flat earth, then we're going to hell.

Weird religion you have there, then. Doesn't seem to have much to do with Christianity. The Bible doesn't say the earth is flat, but you'd have he belief that it is as necessary for salvation. Do you have a special version of th Apostle's Creed that says, "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, in Jesus Chriist, His Son, and that the earth is flat"?

You misread his post.

"globe earth unbelievers" would be those who have ceased to believe in a globe earth.

I have to admit it is a pretty silly rhetorical question for @d taylor to be asking himself, given his complete disregard for the scientific method, but to each his own I guess.

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You are both wrong, when i use unbeliever (unless indicated) it is always directed to people who have never believed in Jesus for God free gift of Eternal Life. So unbeliever has noting to do with a globe earth or flat earth, as there are also unbelieving flat earth people too, that will also end up in the lake of fire.

But many of the unbelieving globe earth people remain unbelievers, because they believe science disproves The Bible and in turn the reality of The Biblical God.

 

[prodromos]

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You are both wrong, when i use unbeliever (unless indicated) it is always directed to people who have never believed in Jesus for God free gift of Eternal Life. So unbeliever has noting to do with a globe earth or flat earth, as there are also unbelieving flat earth people too, that will also end up in the lake of fire.

But many of the unbelieving globe earth people remain unbelievers, because they believe science disproves The Bible and in turn the reality of The Biblical God.

I prefer my interpretation. It's a lot more fun.

 

[prodromos]

I posted these two images, because on December 30th at 9:15 am. I photographed the moon and the direction i had to point my camera to take the photo of the moon from my location. Was a north/west location, which lines up exactly to the location of land masses on the flat earth map. The black drawn line on the flat earth map shows the direction i was pointing my camera.and also the position/location of the moon at that time. The Time and Date map shows this.

This is the original post i made. Flat Earth Theory.

Using Google maps street view, I was able (with some difficulty, as there were very few distinguishing landmarks) to determine the moon was slightly North of West, not North-West as you depicted on the flat earth map. It was fortunate that the street view images in that location had been taken in the same month as your observation, otherwise it would have been nigh on impossible to match your photograph and determine the bearing.
So it turns out the moon's position did not match where you plotted it on your flat earth map after all.

 

[d taylor]

Using Google maps street view, I was able (with some difficulty, as there were very few distinguishing landmarks) to determine the moon was slightly North of West, not North-West as you depicted on the flat earth map. It was fortunate that the street view images in that location had been taken in the same month as your observation, otherwise it would have been nigh on impossible to match your photograph and determine the bearing.
So it turns out the moon's position did not match where you plotted it on your flat earth map after all.

Regardless of my terminology, from where i took the photo if a straight line is extended from the location, it goes directly to the north west corner of America toward Oregon/ Washington.
Here are more photos showing the whole location the metal barn is basically west in direction.

Where as when the photo was taken, the moon is still not close to the horizon and as the moon would have moved even further right as it moved down toward the horizon

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[d taylor]

I prefer my interpretation. It's a lot more fun.

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I knew you would.

 

[Bradskii]

Regardless of my terminology, from where i took the photo if a straight line is extended from the location, it goes directly to the north west corner of America toward Oregon/ Washington.
Here are more photos showing the whole location the metal barn is basically west in direction.

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Where as when the photo was taken, the moon is still not close to the horizon and as the moon would have moved even further right as it moved down toward the horizon

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Why is the moon upside down?

 

[prodromos]

Regardless of my terminology, from where i took the photo if a straight line is extended from the location, it goes directly to the north west corner of America toward Oregon/ Washington.
Here are more photos showing the whole location the metal barn is basically west in direction.

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Where as when the photo was taken, the moon is still not close to the horizon and as the moon would have moved even further right as it moved down toward the horizon

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Ultimately it doesn't matter. I've tried repeating your observations in the Southern Hemisphere and it doesn't work so your model is clearly broken.
I also note that the sun is visible for 24hr anywhere in Antarctica during our Summer in the Southern Hemisphere, as is shown by timeanddate.com, something which is an impossibility on your flat earth. You should book a table at Milliways

 

[Halbhh]

sun is visible for 24hr anywhere in Antarctica during our Summer

Excellent point.

Further evidence is how the track of the sun in the sky as the equinox approaches at the 2 poles begins to be very nearly just traveling 360 degrees around the horizon, right at the horizon. That fits being at the pole of a rotating sphere.

The really salient fact: this circumnavigation of the sun right on the horizon for 360 degrees over 24 hours happens at the same time at both of the poles.

(not just one! So, the flat Earth idea the sun was simply distant has a huge problem: it would only fit if both poles were in the identical location.... so that there is only 1 'pole' instead of 2...
So, if 2 observers near each pole can simultaneously confirm the sun is circumnavigating the horizon from the 2 very widely separated locations (the two polar regions), suddenly the flat Earth model can't fit this anymore)

I like this one, it's not so easy to wave away....

 

[Lost4words]

Everyone knows that when it snows it means that the earth is being tipped upside down!

 

[d taylor]

Why is the moon upside down?

Proof the Earth is Flat

 

[Bradskii]

Proof the Earth is Flat

If it was a curved disc then someone in Australia would see it one way - the moon's north pole at the bottom, and someone in South America would see it turned through 180 degrees - the north pole at the top . But someone in South Africa would see it turned through 90 degrees - sideways in other words, with the north and south pole at the east and west positions. They don't.

So that doesn't work.

 

[prodromos]

I like this one, it's not so easy to wave away....

Indeed, not that any of our resident flat earthers will attempt an explanation. It will simply be ignored. Such is the bankruptcy of their position.

 

[prodromos]

To determine what you believe will happen with a moon 200,000+ miles away. Can only be determined by making a scale model and then positioning the moon in its sublunar point at that location 200,000 miles away from the earth model. Then with a straight line stretched from the photos location and direction it was taken, see if the moon would fall into the photos view.

The irony of what you are asking is that timeanddate.com uses just such a model to determine the position of the sun and moon.

 

[Jipsah]

Proof the Earth is Flat

Nothing is proof that the earth is flat, because it isn't.

 

[prodromos]

Regardless of my terminology, from where i took the photo if a straight line is extended from the location, it goes directly to the north west corner of America toward Oregon/ Washington.

Actually, it will be a little North of San Francisco. You are way off.

 

[d taylor]

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Captain Wilkes in his account of his expedition to The Antarctic 1840
16 January
This night we were beating with frequent tacks, in order to gain as much southing as possible. Previous to its broad daylight, the fog rendered everything obscure, even at a short distance from the ship. I knew that we were in close proximity to icebergs and field-ice, but, from the report of the look-out at sunset, believed that there was an opening or large bay leading to the southward.

On January 20, 1840, the expedition entered a deep bay from which land was distinctly visible, both to the southeast and southwest. It had been sighted in the evening and in the clear light of the following morning this fact was fully established.

 

[Bradskii]

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Captain Wilkes in his account of his expedition to The Antarctic 1840
16 January
This night we were beating with frequent tacks, in order to gain as much southing as possible. Previous to its broad daylight, the fog rendered everything obscure, even at a short distance from the ship. I knew that we were in close proximity to icebergs and field-ice, but, from the report of the look-out at sunset, believed that there was an opening or large bay leading to the southward.

On January 20, 1840, the expedition entered a deep bay from which land was distinctly visible, both to the southeast and southwest. It had been sighted in the evening and in the clear light of the following morning this fact was fully established.

Did that come as a surprise to you? Antarctica is the 5th largest continent. A land mass of nearly 14 million square kms.

Sixty five years earlier...'In January 1773, Captain James Cook of England made the first crossing of the Antarctic Circle in history and later, in 1775, Cook also completed the first circumnavigation of Antarctica.' Antarctica History | Goway Travel.

Now how on earth do you think that he did that?

And do you have an answer why your dish shaped moon isn't sideways when viewed from the side?

 

[prodromos]

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Captain Wilkes in his account of his expedition to The Antarctic 1840
16 January
This night we were beating with frequent tacks, in order to gain as much southing as possible. Previous to its broad daylight, the fog rendered everything obscure, even at a short distance from the ship. I knew that we were in close proximity to icebergs and field-ice, but, from the report of the look-out at sunset, believed that there was an opening or large bay leading to the southward.

On January 20, 1840, the expedition entered a deep bay from which land was distinctly visible, both to the southeast and southwest. It had been sighted in the evening and in the clear light of the following morning this fact was fully established.

You can take a trip to Antarctica and confirm the sun is visible 24Hr in Summer. Obviously is is brighter at noon and dimmer at midnight. You wish to interpret Wilkes as saying it was dark at night rather than visibility being obscured by fog when the temperature was cooler.
The sun can also be obstructed by mountains, being as Antarctica is quite mountainous.