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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

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Another pointless attempt to demonstrate the unproveable. If it's flying at 1,000 mph, and not far above earth's surface, it will be traveling through relatively dense air. That means that it will have to be refueled frequently. Send me photos of refueling aircraft and I might believe you. The ISS is totally not aerodynamic. How does it stay up? It has no wings. Seriously, I don't know why you bother.
 
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Here is my latest photo (April 5th 2022) of this flying contraption, they call the iss. One thing for sure from this photo, is that this is a group of lights, that they control to make brighter or not as bright.​

And you determined this with certainty, how exactly?
They also cut the lights off after they pass by the said visual for that area.
Or it moves into the shadow of the earth
Another point is the speed which i estimate at around 1000 to 1500 mph. Tonight the light was on for 5:47. It went from north of Ms to basically south, i would say after traveling for 5:47. The light came on from my position about 30 miles away and went off at about 30 miles from my position. So i am guessing that in that time it traveled 60-70 miles in 5:47.
When are you going to arrange with some friends to triangulate its position at specific instances so you can calculate its actual height instead of simply giving your incredibly subjective opinion?​
 
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Photographer Spots Astronauts on Spacewalk Outside ISS from Earth
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I haven't wasted my time watching this video. According to the title page, the author is clueless. It states:

"There is no perception whatsoever of any of these buildings leaning backward, away from the viewer, as there should be on a ball."

This is typical of many of the arguments made to claim that the earth is flat, but does nothing more than show that the person making the claim(s) does not understand basic physics / geometry / maths.

Questions:
1) If the earth is round, then how much will the distant building lean away from the observer? This is very easily calculated (FE'ers don't have to agree with the claim that the earth is round, but I do expect them to understand what that would mean, if the earth was indeed round. Likewise, for 'globe' believers, to also understand what a flat earth would mean. By understanding both, you can then compare actual observations with both models, and see which most closely matches).

2) How would you measure that the building was leaning away?

3) Would the effect, if the earth was round, be observable in a picture (or video)?

4) The building has significant tapering - much narrower at the top than the bottom. Its sides are not vertical. How will you take this into account?

5) Are there any other factors that might complicate things? How will you control for these?

But following these steps would make someone a 'scientist', albeit ''amateur' (not their paid job), so some contributors on this thread would be opposed to these simple steps.
 
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I haven't wasted my time watching this video. According to the title page, the author is clueless. It states:

"There is no perception whatsoever of any of these buildings leaning backward, away from the viewer, as there should be on a ball."

This is typical of many of the arguments made to claim that the earth is flat, but does nothing more than show that the person making the claim(s) does not understand basic physics / geometry / maths.

Questions:
1) If the earth is round, then how much will the distant building lean away from the observer? This is very easily calculated (FE'ers don't have to agree with the claim that the earth is round, but I do expect them to understand what that would mean, if the earth was indeed round. Likewise, for 'globe' believers, to also understand what a flat earth would mean. By understanding both, you can then compare actual observations with both models, and see which most closely matches).

2) How would you measure that the building was leaning away?

3) Would the effect, if the earth was round, be observable in a picture (or video)?

4) The building has significant tapering - much narrower at the top than the bottom. Its sides are not vertical. How will you take this into account?

5) Are there any other factors that might complicate things? How will you control for these?

But following these steps would make someone a 'scientist', albeit ''amateur' (not their paid job), so some contributors on this thread would be opposed to these simple steps.
There is at least one long span suspension bridge where the two vertical supports are far enough apart that they are wider apart at the top than the bottom, despite both being perpendiculat to the ground, due to the curvature of the earth.
 
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1,000 MPH? That's one aerodynamic hunk of lights there!
Still gotta be running through fuel like Niagara Falls. What I wanna know, though, is how they know exactly when to turn the lighs off and on so as to be visible over Bruv Taylor's house.
 
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Flat Out Insights- EX Nasa Technical Engineer Speaks Out!

Join Michael & Chris of Flat Out Insights as they interview David Beverly Sr. an Ex Nasa Technical Engineer! This will be an episode you will not want to miss!

 
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Flat Out Insights- EX Nasa Technical Engineer Speaks Out!
Is this the guy who was actually just a technical writer for the company building the rocket engines, an English major with no engineering qualifications at all? If it is, he has been proven to be a complete fraud.
NB. current rules require you to include a description of the video when you post.
 
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Is this the guy who was actually just a technical writer for the company building the rocket engines, an English major with no engineering qualifications at all? If it is, he has been proven to be a complete fraud.
NB. current rules require you to include a description of the video when you post.
No.

Here's his LinkedIn page... https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-beverley-sr-8960659

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Here's his LinkedIn page... https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-beverley-sr-8960659

InfoSec, Sys-Admin and Special Projects Initiatives
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Jan 1995 - Jan 200712 years 1 month

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Systems Administrator and Info Systems Security Officer for EOS Flight Operations and Science Platform Systems Engineering groups at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (www.nasa.gov/goddard).
Design, develop and administer various mission critical IT systems for Change Management, running on Windows OS, MAC OS, OS/2 and Linux. Developed solutions to IT related integration/interoperability issues. Active Directory Domain Administration, router and firewall configuration and network engineering support, managed network attached storage and backup solutions.
Perform requirements analysis for system architecture and design. Leadership role in IT security assessment and security plan development and implementation in accordance with NASA SOP derived from FIPs and NIST standards and procedures best practices.

Webmaster duties - multimedia application/content and web-site design, web-portal design using SharePoint Services, IIS, Apache, MySQL and other web-centric server technologies.

Provided troubleshooting, diagnostics, problem determination and resolution for computer hardware consisting of IBM PC’s and compatibles, Macintosh, Solaris and Linux systems.

Evaluate agency Information technology plans/requests for the acquisition, management and use of information technology resources to ensure the cost-effective deployment of such technological resources as required for conducting day-to-day operations.
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So this guy is in I.T. What claim is he making in the video and is he qualified to make that claim?

I also worked in I.T. and played a similar role at the Centre for the Greek Language in Thessaloniki in Greece. I rubbed shoulders with some of the top linguists in Greece, experts in Ancient, Medieval and Modern Greek philology while also fluent in multiple languages. I am moderately fluent in Modern Greek, but does my association with those academics make me in any way an authority in Greek linguistics? Of course not. Likewise, the fact that this guy worked at NASA doesn't make him an authority on globe earth cosmology.

If he makes any compelling arguments then the least you can do is reference what time stamp in the video to watch. I'm not going to sit through a 2 hour video.
 
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Wow Australia is wider than Asia, Africa is bigger than Erope and Asia combined, and South America is way larger than North America? So then why are drive times not conducive to this representation? Dose our position relative to the North & South poles have an effect on speedometers, odometers, and clocks?
 
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Wow Australia is wider than Asia, Africa is bigger than Erope and Asia combined, and South America is way larger than North America? So then why are drive times not conducive to this representation? Dose our position relative to the North & South poles have an effect on speedometers, odometers, and clocks?

I posted these two images, because on December 30th at 9:15 am. I photographed the moon and the direction i had to point my camera to take the photo of the moon from my location. Was a north/west location, which lines up exactly to the location of land masses on the flat earth map. The black drawn line on the flat earth map shows the direction i was pointing my camera.and also the position/location of the moon at that time. The Time and Date map shows this.

This is the original post i made. Flat Earth Theory.
 
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I posted these two images, because on December 30th at 9:15 am. I photographed the moon and the direction i had to point my camera to take the photo of the moon from my location. Was a north/west location, which lines up exactly to the location of land masses on the flat earth map. The black drawn line on the flat earth map shows the direction i was pointing my camera.and also the position/location of the moon at that time. The Time and Date map shows this.

This is the original post i made. Flat Earth Theory.
I understand that you live in your own world where the earth is flat but what confuses me is GPS (Global Positioning Satellite), analog photographs from outer space, and photographs and meteorological readings even from lower Earth orbit that are not quite in outer space, how you can close your eyes to what is right in front of you. It's like you are closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and shouting "i can't hear you la la la la." I mean, are you able to make an income, pay bills, and buy food and all of the things that sustain one's existence on our spherical planet or do you have someone who deals with reality for you while you dwell in la la land? I have a hard time believing that someone who thinks that the Earth is flat can make real-time decisions based on real-time facts. It's puzzling to me how someone can't comprehend a spherical Earth but they can do things like like cook and clean for themselves, pump gas, and go grocery shopping when they can't grasp the basic reality of gravity and orbital telescopes.

Sorry to seem so harsh and judgemental but I wonder how an intelligent human being can deny basic reality and still be able to function in everyday situations like driving, cooking, cleaning, etc I mean I understand that people have different opinions about things and there are conspiracy theories people believe (I have my own conspiracy theories)., but when someone can deny everything their eyes can see, it makes me concerned for their ability to discern what is real and what is not I guess.
 
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The black drawn line on the flat earth map shows the direction i was pointing my camera.and also the position/location of the moon at that time. The Time and Date map shows this.
That's Interesting.

Here's the one that you and all other Flerfies pointedly ignore. Long Path RF Propagation. Here's a concise explanation of what that means. What is "Long Path" in Ham Radio?

The long and short (see what I did there?) is talking via voice, Morse code, data, of whatever on the HF (High Frequency) bands, frequencies from 3.5 mHz (80 meters) to 29.7 mHz (10 meters).

Normally, if you're using a directional "beam" antenna, you point it directly toward that station you want to, which is "short path". So let's say I want to talk to someone in England from here, I'll rotate the antenna to face roughly east-northeast, just like I'd go if I were flying an airplane. Then I can "chew the rag" with a mate in the UK.

But sometimes that doesn't work, due to natural or man-made interference, or poor propagation, as during a sunspot minimum, or just whatever. So then, a possible option is "long path". That means turning the antenna 180 degrees, so that it's pointing away from my pal in Blighty. Going all the way around the world "the wrong way". And it often works. You're still at the mercy of the state of the "solar weather" and the myriad other factors that effect long distance HF communications, but it when it works it works quite nicely.

First time I ever used it I was talking to, or trying to talk to, an Old Man (all male hams are addressed as "old man") in Queensland. It wasn't working out well; we were being beaten up by bleedover from adjacent frequencies and sundry other sources of RFI. My Aussie pal went to CW (continous wave via using Morse Code, far more efficient than voice) and suggested that we go long path. We both turned our antennas (antennae?) "backwards", and lo and behold, clear air and good propagation, and continued our conversation via voice.

The point here is this - there isn't any long path on a flat earth. If your beam is pointed at Oz, turning it away from there can't possibly do you any good. Your signal is just going to rebound off your dome or something, and if it bounces back again, it'll get strangled by the same QRM that forced you to go long path in the first place, plus additional losses based on vastly increased distances.

The bottom line is that it can't work on your flat earth.

But in the Real World that God created, it does.

I don't really expect a response to this, as I've never gotten one before from any flat earther. They'd rather talk pseudo-technical argle-bargle that can be redefined to mean whatever they need. Radio doesn't really lend itself to that kind of rubber "science". We radio geeks know the ionosphere is there, because we depend on it for HF communications. We know the sun keeps that ionosphere charged up in a regular 11 year cycle based on the number of sunspots occuring on the sun. We know that there are solar storms ssometimes strong enough to silence RF communications, or even burn out electronic equipment.

Y'all know this stuff as well, but you can't admit it. You just chant "the Bible sez..." even though it doesn't, and then deny stuff that the average person actually knows is true about God's Design because it's easily observable, and they don't have a nonsensical doctrine to defend.
 
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Funny, looks just like a globe representation of the earth after being run over by a truck. Where are the maps produced by flat earth explorers, sailing all over the world to measure the continents precisely? There are none. FE people should get out more.
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When i took my photo of the moon, from the position i did, It proved the map i posted is correct.
 
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