Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[prodromos]

One day you will realise that you are deluded. Don't worry, it's not the unforgivable sin.

No. His personal, fallible human interpretation of Scripture is sacrosanct, and he will defend it to his dying day. He will ignore all rational explanations and even his own experiences that are contrary to his personal, fallible human interpretation and will continue with his strawman attacks. I'm happy to be wrong about this, but it seems quite rare for people to break out of this particular delusion.

 

[d taylor]

What do you understand it to be and how is that relevant to the discussion?

Because he said do not worry it is not the unforgivable sin.

If a person understood what this sin was they would never bring it up in a discussion, stating do not worry it is not the unforgivable sin. As this was a sin that can not be committed by an individual person .
It is only a national sin that could have been committed by The Nation of Israel, when Jesus was here (in Israel) offering Himself as The promised Messiah and The Kingdom of God.

 

[prodromos]

Because he said do not worry it is not the unforgivable sin.

If a person understood what this sin was they would never bring it up in a discussion, stating do not worry it is not the unforgivable sin. As this was a sin that can not be committed by an individual person .
It is only a national sin that could have been committed by The Nation of Israel, when Jesus was here (in Israel) offering Himself as The promised Messiah and The Kingdom of God.

Well no, that is not the unforgivable sin. Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10 describe it as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not as a corporate action, but by individuals.

 

[d taylor]

Well no, that is not the unforgivable sin. Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10 describe it as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not as a corporate action, but by individuals.

For some reason i believe we have had this argument before.

Matthew 12 is the main verses on this. Mark and Luke mention the same sin but without as much information.

I am not going to do a back and forth on this with you even though you do not understand it.

I have explained it, in its context from Matthew 12. One more time, it was a national sin committed by The Nation of Israel when they rejected Jesus as The Messiah based on the miracles He did, specifically healing the deaf and mute boy (that was only a healing the Messiah was able to do). Instead of saying Jesus did His healing by The Spirit of God they, the Jewish leaders attributed His healing power to Beelzebub.

The nation (their leaders) committed this sin and brought judgment on the nation of Israel which was carried out in 70 A.D.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Because he said do not worry it is not the unforgivable sin.

If a person understood what this sin was they would never bring it up in a discussion, stating do not worry it is not the unforgivable sin. As this was a sin that can not be committed by an individual person .
It is only a national sin that could have been committed by The Nation of Israel, when Jesus was here (in Israel) offering Himself as The promised Messiah and The Kingdom of God.

The person in question was indulging in a spot of sarcasm. My mistake. And your definition is wrong anyway.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Don't tell me you also, do not understand the unforgivable sin too.

From one of your other posts, you do not know yourself.

 

[prodromos]

The nation (their leaders) committed this sin and brought judgment on the nation of Israel which was carried out in 70 A.D.

A nation is not its leaders. The individual Pharisees who blasphemed would be condemned, but there were Pharisees such as Nicodemus who were not among their number.

 

[prodromos]

I see it as just proving that a person ability to see is limited. As a person goes higher up they can see further until they reach their limit, then the horizon will began to drop.

In this video they are looking at an object that is well past the horizon, proving the horizon is not a phenomenon caused by the limits of a person's vision.

 

[Paul4JC]

Weather Balloon Flight to Stratosphere [Uncut]

 

[d taylor]

In this video they are looking at an object that is well past the horizon, proving the horizon is not a phenomenon caused by the limits of a person's vision.

That video has nothing to do with what i was talking about.

 

[prodromos]

That video has nothing to do with what i was talking about.

Then you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Paul4JC]

Atmospheric Lensing and Canada's Shrinking Mill

 

[d taylor]

Weather Balloon Flight to Stratosphere [Uncut]

I have seen part of this before he does a good job recording the platos earth.

Do you know where this was done

 

[prodromos]

Atmospheric Lensing and Canada's Shrinking Mill

From the looks of it, the road has a downward grade, but your eye perceives it as level. I've driven on sections of road just like this. So as you drive towards the mill you are seeing it from a progressively lower elevation.
The rest of the video is complete nonsense as the lens on the iPhone is completely different to the zoomed P100 lens, going from a wide angle shot to an extremely narrow shot.

 

[d taylor]

Atmospheric Lensing and Canada's Shrinking Mill

I have seen this one before, he (Rob) does a good job in his videos.

 

[Jipsah]

That video has nothing to do with what i was talking about.

Didn't watch it, did you? It's perfectly clear. The farther away you get from the building, the more of the lower part of the building is concealed below the horizon. No "mist", no "haze", no imaginary phenomena to "explain" it away. It's just as we've all told you and that you won't try for yourself. And I know why you won't - you're scared that we're right (worse, you know that we're right), and in your thinking that would make the Bible wrong.

But the fact is the Bible is not wrong! The Bible says "the sun rose" because that's the way people talk! No one says "the earth revolved until light from the sun was visible above the horizon". In normal speech, we don't give technical dissertations if all we're trying to say is what happened. So we say "the sun rose".

If you want technical info the Bible isn't where you're going to find it, because that isn't what it's talking about. No technical data on the wind and waves in the storm that was foundering the ship carrying Jonah. Nothing about its length at the waterline, how much water it drew, or the sail plan. Just that she was about to founder. Nothing on the force of the wind: stiff breeze, full gale, hurricane? Where's our data? How big was the fish, and what species? A whale? Spermaceti? Orca? What kept Jonah from suffocating in the critter's belly? Gotta have tech data there!How deep did the fish go? How deep was the water where it heaved the prophet up? Did the fish get back out to sea or was it beached? You expect us to let these necessary details slide? You'd have us believe that any reference to the sun rising of the any such thing must be taken as a literal technical explanation, why stop in Genesis? If "lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was." was is standing on a ladder, or a pole? How must we take that? After all, a star is simply a light screwed into the dome above the earth, how was this one wandering around, and standing above our Lord? How do they do that? We much assume this is precise technical information, right?

And the answer is of course not! That's not what the stories are about. Genesis isn't about tech specs, it's about the creation of the universe (I.E. everything there is, whether you like that word or not) , told as any person in pretty much any place, at any time in pretty much any language, would have told it.

 

[Jipsah]

I have seen this one before, he (Rob) does a good job in his videos.

Baloney.

 

[d taylor]

Didn't watch it, did you? It's perfectly clear. The farther away you get from the building, the more of the lower part of the building is concealed below the horizon. No "mist", no "haze", no imaginary phenomena to "explain" it away. It's just as we've all told you and that you won't try for yourself. And I know why you won't - you're scared that we're right (worse, you know that we're right), and in your thinking that would make the Bible wrong.

But the fact is the Bible is not wrong! The Bible says "the sun rose" because that's the way people talk! No one says "the earth revolved until light from the sun was visible above the horizon". In normal speech, we don't give technical dissertations if all we're trying to say is what happened. So we say "the sun rose".

If you want technical info the Bible isn't where you're going to find it, because that isn't what it's talking about. No technical data on the wind and waves in the storm that was foundering the ship carrying Jonah. Nothing about its length at the waterline, how much water it drew, or the sail plan. Just that she was about to founder. Nothing on the force of the wind: stiff breeze, full gale, hurricane? Where's our data? How big was the fish, and what species? A whale? Spermaceti? Orca? What kept Jonah from suffocating in the critter's belly? Gotta have tech data there!How deep did the fish go? How deep was the water where it heaved the prophet up? Did the fish get back out to sea or was it beached? You expect us to let these necessary details slide? You'd have us believe that any reference to the sun rising of the any such thing must be taken as a literal technical explanation, why stop in Genesis? If "lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was." was is standing on a ladder, or a pole? How must we take that? After all, a star is simply a light screwed into the dome above the earth, how was this one wandering around, and standing above our Lord? How do they do that? We much assume this is precise technical information, right?

And the answer is of course not! That's not what the stories are about. Genesis isn't about tech specs, it's about the creation of the universe (I.E. everything there is, whether you like that word or not) , told as any person in pretty much any place, at any time in pretty much any language, would have told it.

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[d taylor]

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Here is my latest photo (April 5th 2022) of this flying contraption, they call the iss. One thing for sure from this photo, is that this is a group of lights, that they control to make brighter or not as bright. They also cut the lights off after they pass by the said visual for that area. Another point is the speed which i estimate at around 1000 to 1500 mph. Tonight the light was on for 5:47. It went from north of Ms to basically south, i would say after traveling for 5:47. The light came on from my position about 30 miles away and went off at about 30 miles from my position. So i am guessing that in that time it traveled 60-70 miles in 5:47.

 

[Yttrium]

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Here is my latest photo (April 5th 2022) of this flying contraption, they call the iss. One thing for sure from this photo, is that this is a group of lights, that they control to make brighter or not as bright. They also cut the lights off after they pass by the said visual for that area. Another point is the speed which i estimate at around 1000 to 1500 mph. Tonight the light was on for 5:47. It went from north of Ms to basically south, i would say after traveling for 5:47. The light came on from my position about 30 miles away and went off at about 30 miles from my position. So i am guessing that in that time it traveled 60-70 miles in 5:47.

1,000 MPH? That's one aerodynamic hunk of lights there!