Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Jipsah]

I see it is a badge honor to question christianity (skeptic) but Katie bar the door of anyone who questions science.

Christianity has nothing to say about the shape of the earth. If our Lord made any mention of such things it isn't recorded.[/QUOTE]

 

[Jipsah]

What i would like to see is an actual example of this curving water. Take a large glass aquarium and show with the glass aquarium filled with water how water can curve.

Put drop of water on a smooth flat surface and get back to us.

BTW, y'all have never had any response to the question of how long-path HF communications happens on a flat earth. May we conclude that it's a Satanic deception to lead us to believe the earth is round?

 

[Jipsah]

This, too, doesn't make sense. On both models... if you go to the equator and travel west.. you end up back where you started.

Nope, in the FE model if you sail from east to west, you ultimately end up at the western edge. You're sailiing from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock.

Speaking of which, if the sun rises in the east and sets in the west (y'all do believe that, right?) how does it get back to the east again all unnoticed so as to rise again the next day? The execrable "Book of Enoch "explains" it by having the sun nip in and out of "portals in Heaven" by which it makes its way north, then out a "portal", across the world, and then back in a portal in the east to head west again. It also describes different portals that the sun goes in and out of so as to create the differing lengths of days and positions in the sky in different seasons. There's nothing much to be done with the fact that the sun is always visible somewhere, so they don't try. Probably a wise choice

 

[d taylor]

Put drop of water on a smooth flat surface and get back to us.

Perfect example of the deceptive language of science. I will say science knows all the illusionistic tricks.

 

[prodromos]

Here, try the 1:17 minute mark of this video..

Yes, but what you were supposedly refuting was the fact that boats are hidden from view from the bottom up as they pass over the horizon. You claimed that a zoom lens brings the whole boat back into view. Thank you for posting this video though, as it nicely debunks the claims of the former video you posted which claims that the bottom of the boat is hidden due to atmospheric conditions that refract the light. Your subsequent video shows that these atmospheric conditions are not consistent and there are plenty of other videos which show the bottom of the ship hidden without any refraction occurring.

Thus far you have not been able to present video evidence to support your claim that zooming in on a boat that has the lower part obscured by the horizon brings the whole boat back into view

 

[Aussie Pete]

There is no contradiction from what is observed in reality and God's description described in The Bible. I never said it was, where the contradiction is, is what science states is reality and what is described in The Bible.

Give me a break. It was not "science" that looked at the earth from the moon. It was people. They declared that the earth was a globe. You call them liars. It's even more ludicrous in the age of air travel. It's completely obvious that the earth is a globe. You call the people who man the ISS liars, the people who have flown around the earth (usually military) liars and those who risk their lives at sea, liars. You deny the reality of weather and the tides. It is the interaction of the rotation of the earth and the moon that causes tides. You deny reality.

 

[Jipsah]

Perfect example of the deceptive language of science. I will say science knows all the illusionistic tricks.

Even when you perform the "trick" yourself? Water drop curvbed or not? You wanted to see curved water? Getcha some and look at it. No scientist will call.

Wanna try your hand with long-path HF? You've shown some knowledge of radio (not scientific enough to be diabolical, I reckon). Dunno whether "skip"exists in your your world or not, but I'm easy. Get that signal from Middle Tennessee to southern Australia by pointing your beam 180 degrees away from it by any means that seems good to you. And while I'm thinking about radio again, if there is "skip" in your world, what's the height of the dome or whatever it skips off of? The ionosphere changes altitiudes based on how much charge it's accumulated, and smoe other variables. Your dome presumably remains static. How far up is it?

 

[prodromos]

Perfect example of the deceptive language of science. I will say science knows all the illusionistic tricks.

Is it not God who creates the dew drops we find on leaves and flowers in the early morning? You asked for curved water on a small scale knowing full well that the curvature due to the earth being a globe can only be seen on a massive scale. It is you, sir, who is being deceptive here.

 

[d taylor]

I ask for an example of curvature of water using a glass aquarium. If water curves, it should not matter what kind of container is used aquarium, bath tub, swimming pool, lake, ocean. Being able to demonstrate that water contained in a container and does curve, should be able to be shown in each of these containers.

It should not only just magically exist, in the massively large bodies of water

 

[prodromos]

I ask for an example of curvature of water using a glass aquarium. If water curves, it should not matter what kind of container is used aquarium, bath tub, swimming pool, lake, ocean. Being able to demonstrate that water contained in a container and does curve, should be able to be shown in each of these containers.

It should not only just magically exist, in the massively large bodies of water

The curve is only discernable in large bodies of water. If you divide a circle into 360° then zoom in on one degree, you will possibly be able to see the curve of the arc. If you then divide that single degree into 60 minutes, you will not be able to discern the curve on one minute of arc, and yet you expect us to demonstrate curvature on one hundred millionth of one degree of arc?
You have to be trolling because I do not believe that you are stupid.

 

[d taylor]

So water can only curve on oceans and water drops.

The curve is only discernable in large bodies of water. If you divide a circle into 360° then zoom in on one degree, you will possibly be able to see the curve of the arc. If you then divide that single degree into 60 minutes, you will not be able to discern the curve on one minute of arc, and yet you expect us to demonstrate curvature on one hundred millionth of one degree of arc?
You have to be trolling because I do not believe that you are stupid.

Like i have said before, it really does not matter to me what you think of me. Whether you think i am stupid or not your opinions are of no value personal, scientific or Biblical.

I find you, like many others like you, as examples of who is simply blinded by science, to God's creation.

 

[d taylor]

Either water can curve or not. But there is only one confirmed example of water curving, a small drop of water

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Then there is the supposed curvature of enormous bodies of water over a sphere, which can not be photographed.

They only supposedly curve from the point of an observer, out to the horizon line. but can not be photographed or recorded by a panoramic view. Which would show actually more mileage covered than a persons view from their observation point to the horizon.

 

[d taylor]

Give me a break. It was not "science" that looked at the earth from the moon. It was people. They declared that the earth was a globe. You call them liars. It's even more ludicrous in the age of air travel. It's completely obvious that the earth is a globe. You call the people who man the ISS liars, the people who have flown around the earth (usually military) liars and those who risk their lives at sea, liars. You deny the reality of weather and the tides. It is the interaction of the rotation of the earth and the moon that causes tides. You deny reality.

You have an example from/in The Bible, of where the majority was the correct path to follow.

 

[prodromos]

Either water can curve or not. But there is only one confirmed example of water curving, a small drop of water

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Then there is the supposed curvature of enormous bodies of water over a sphere, which can not be photographed.

They only supposedly curve from the point of an observer, out to the horizon line. but can not be photographed or recorded by a panoramic view. Which would show actually more mileage covered than a persons view from their observation point to the horizon.

I posted a video earlier of someone observing the horizon on the ocean from different elevations which proves the curvature of the water. I later did the calculations which matched the observations.

 

[prodromos]

So water can only curve on oceans and water drops.

No, water curves everywhere, it is simply not discernable on such a small portion of the arc.

Like i have said before, it really does not matter to me what you think of me. Whether you think i am stupid or not your opinions are of no value personal, scientific or Biblical.

I only respond to your posts so that others who might be swayed by your arguments get an opportunity to see the other side.

I find you, like many others like you, as examples of who is simply blinded by science, to God's creation.

Science has nothing to do with my understanding of God's creatiion. I witness it daily with my own eyes. I have flown from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles and back with flight times that are only consistent with the globe. Any flat earth model makes the distances in the Southern hemisphere too great to be covered in those times. Your interpretation of the Scriptures produces a model which is inconsistent with everything we observe. That makes your interpretation false, not the Scriptures.

 

[d taylor]

I posted a video earlier of someone observing the horizon on the ocean from different elevations which proves the curvature of the water. I later did the calculations which matched the observations.

Again we do not agree on anything, so you see a video proving a globe earth. why because you believe a person can see billions of miles that light can travel for billions of miles.

I on the other hand, i believe a persons eye sight is limited in its reach as is light. So when a video is posted of some science example proving a globe earth.

I see it as just proving that a person ability to see is limited. As a person goes higher up they can see further until they reach their limit, then the horizon will began to drop. A person simply can not see for infinity, i know science has convinced people of super eye sight ability. But they have also convinced people of evolution, etc.. all kind of hogwash.

 

[Aussie Pete]

You have an example from/in The Bible, of where the majority was the correct path to follow.

That is completely irrelevant. The majority may be wrong or right on any issue. Believing something does not make it true and disbelief does not make it false. What matters is the truth. I believe Jesus because He lived, died and rose again as is recorded history. I've never believed in FE. The question never arose until I read about it. I watched the lunar landing on TV. It sure seemed real enough. I have traveled much of the earth's surface by sea and air. I've seen nothing to convince me that the earth is flat. And I've seen and heard enough eyewitness accounts to convince me that FE is baseless.

Just one bit of evidence demonstrates conclusively the curvature of the earth. Radio waves. Above certain frequencies, radio waves are line of sight. I would have preferred otherwise. One of the aerials I had to work on was at the highest point of the ship. I hate heights. And the mast acts like a pendulum, magnifying even the slightest motion of the ship. Why was it so high? To overcome, as best as possible, the curvature of the earth. It's the same reason that lighthouses are often on high points. Of course, none of this will change your mind.

One day you will realise that you are deluded. Don't worry, it's not the unforgivable sin.

 

[d taylor]

That is completely irrelevant. The majority may be wrong or right on any issue. Believing something does not make it true and disbelief does not make it false. What matters is the truth. I believe Jesus because He lived, died and rose again as is recorded history. I've never believed in FE. The question never arose until I read about it. I watched the lunar landing on TV. It sure seemed real enough. I have traveled much of the earth's surface by sea and air. I've seen nothing to convince me that the earth is flat. And I've seen and heard enough eyewitness accounts to convince me that FE is baseless.

Just one bit of evidence demonstrates conclusively the curvature of the earth. Radio waves. Above certain frequencies, radio waves are line of sight. I would have preferred otherwise. One of the aerials I had to work on was at the highest point of the ship. I hate heights. And the mast acts like a pendulum, magnifying even the slightest motion of the ship. Why was it so high? To overcome, as best as possible, the curvature of the earth. It's the same reason that lighthouses are often on high points. Of course, none of this will change your mind.

One day you will realise that you are deluded. Don't worry, it's not the unforgivable sin.

Don't tell me you also, do not understand the unforgivable sin too.

 

[prodromos]

I see it as just proving that a person ability to see is limited. As a person goes higher up they can see further until they reach their limit, then the horizon will began to drop.

We have plenty of examples of seeing structures beyond the horizon such as the tops of ships or oil platforms at sea or the top of a distant city skyline, so that proves your theory that the horizon is the limit of a person's view as false. Sometimes we can see more or less of those structures due to refraction, but it doesn't change how far the horizon is.

If it was as you claim then you would not see any horizon, the ground and sky beyond a certain distance would blend into a haze. You would never see a distinct line as we always do (weather permitting).

 

[prodromos]

Don't tell me you also, do not understand the unforgivable sin too.

What do you understand it to be and how is that relevant to the discussion?