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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

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I give up.... The earth... if a spinning ball... is what casues the appearance of moiving stars.. Therefore.. since the earth only rotates one direction.. the stars will always appear to be moving in one direction.
On the flat earth model.. it is the sun, moon and stars that move over the FE.. and therefore will always move the same direction...

I'm done.. This is so simple and you are making it way more complicated..

The rotation of the stars don't prove flat or sphere earth.

On the equator the stars move from east to west they do not rotate. On the North Pole they rotate counterclockwise on the South Pole they rotate clockwise. The North Pole also has sunlight for months in the summertime and no sun for months in the winter time and the South Pole has the exact opposite. On the flat earth model the entire earth would be in sunlight all the time and a sunset or sunrise would be absolutely impossible.
 
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Your diagram was wrong for a couple of reasons which I have already elaborated on, so it failed to prove anything.

And on a flat earth the horizon is at infinity where all elevations converge at the vanishing point. Horizon will always be at eye level (except it isn't because we live on a globe)
We've been dealing with elevations within the earth's atmosphere, which are small in relation to the radius of the earth. Your exageration put the elevation way out into space which most flat earthers claim doesn't exist.

It's kind of hard to argue against basic trigonometry, so I'm not in the least bit surprised.

Yeah like ships traveling over the horizon disappear from bottom to top. Even from an elevated position they still disappear from bottom to top. The last thing you’ll always see on a ship sailing away is the top of the ship because the line of sight to the bottom is being blocked by the curvature of the earth.
 
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Your diagram was wrong for a couple of reasons which I have already elaborated on, so it failed to prove anything.

And on a flat earth the horizon is at infinity where all elevations converge at the vanishing point. Horizon will always be at eye level (except it isn't because we live on a globe)
We've been dealing with elevations within the earth's atmosphere, which are small in relation to the radius of the earth. Your exageration put the elevation way out into space which most flat earthers claim doesn't exist.

It's kind of hard to argue against basic trigonometry, so I'm not in the least bit surprised.
The horiznon on a FE is not "infinity"... Unless it goes on forever... That's what infinity means.
 
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Yeah like ships traveling over the horizon disappear from bottom to top. Even from an elevated position they still disappear from bottom to top. The last thing you’ll always see on a ship sailing away is the top of the ship because the line of sight to the bottom is being blocked by the curvature of the earth.
You better catch up...

Take a look at a ship on the ocean. As it goes out to sea.. When it goes "over the horizon" get out your telescope and voila... there it is...

There are also many lighthouses, mountain ranges and land formations that are visible from the shore.. when.... using calculations that are attched to the globe... these sights should be well below the curve and far from being visible.
 
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That is the game of science and the key to the lies.

God's creation is massive but yet simple. The sun, moon and stars move over the stationary platos earth.

I have seen this painting posted on here (CF) quite a few times.​
Hubble Deep-Field

potw2120a.jpg

Declaring how great God's creation is along with the numbers of this being like thousands to millions of light years away.

So according to science's outer space statements, stars would have had to start falling to earth, the moment they were created to reach earth in time for the second coming of The Messiah. That is if The Messiah returns in about 100,000 light years from now.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

During the tribulation the earth (land) could very well be move back again to one piece of earth (land) surrounded by the sea. Like the earth in the creation in Genesis 1.
This is all figurative language which you insist on reading as literal.
 
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The horiznon on a FE is not "infinity"... Unless it goes on forever... That's what infinity means.
If you travel due West on the equator you will eventually end up back where you started, so it kind of does go on forever
 
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You better catch up...

Take a look at a ship on the ocean. As it goes out to sea.. When it goes "over the horizon" get out your telescope and voila... there it is...
You should have no problem linking a video showing this then.
There are also many lighthouses, mountain ranges and land formations that are visible from the shore.. when.... using calculations that are attched to the globe... these sights should be well below the curve and far from being visible.
This is called looming, where cold dense air close to the surface causes light to bend downwards. If the conditions aren't right then the objects are indeed hidden by the horizon.
 
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Is B itchute blocked here? Sorry I didn't know. It's on B itchute.
Ah, the old female dog word. CF doesn't like it.
Did you try inserting it as a video or did you paste the link direct? It may bypass the sensor if you use the video insertion.
 
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Video Of Sun Hovering Over Clouds At 110,000ft With Hotspot On Clouds...

Earth doesn't looks curved to me, actually flat as far as the eye can see.
The 'hot spot' is a reflection of the sun. The clouds are made up of billions of tiny spheres of water which causes the top of the cloud to act like a mirror. You can also see the curve when the horizon is in the centre of the camera's field of view, where it isn't being distorted up or down as it is when the horizon is above or below the centre respectively.
 
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Thx @podromos.

Ah, the old female dog word. CF doesn't like it.
Did you try inserting it as a video or did you paste the link direct? It may bypass the sensor if you use the video insertion.
Thanks, I edited the original post. (BC shows it as a new video but it is older as YT shows, so maybe a repeat)
 
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The 'hot spot' is a reflection of the sun. The clouds are made up of billions of tiny spheres of water which causes the top of the cloud to act like a mirror. You can also see the curve when the horizon is in the centre of the camera's field of view, where it isn't being distorted up or down as it is when the horizon is above or below the centre respectively.
Btw, so what do you think the Biblical teaching is on cosmology?
 
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Btw, so what do you think the Biblical teaching is on cosmology?

He doesn't, it is all metaphors. There is no real creation description in The Bible, for christian/scientist.
God waited till the science book before His creation was known.
 
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Btw, so what do you think the Biblical teaching is on cosmology?
It is intended to instruct that God created everything and describes it in terms understandable to people with a limited scope of reference. It is not intended to be a textbook reference.
 
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He doesn't, it is all metaphors. There is no real creation description in The Bible, for christian/scientist.
God waited till the science book before His creation was known.
I would appreciate it if you didn't presume to know what I believe, especially seeing as you are wrong more often than not.
 
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I have had my fill of back and forths especially with christian (like you) who throw The Bible under the bus because of science liars. So if you want to believe in science's creation account go ahead be my guess.

As this thread was posted as a lighthearted joke.
There is nothing lighthearted about your signature or many of your other posts. You make definitive statements with no justification, call God's people liars and you accuse me of throwing the Bible under a bus?
 
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Firstly, your diagram was from the view point of someone in orbit over 1000km above the earth's surface, way beyond what you claim is the limit of the 'dome' so hardly a reasonable comparison. The earth's radius is around 6371km and any comparisons need to take that into account. If you want to mock the globe model then you need to deal with the actual globe model, not a strawman model of your own making.

Secondly, your diagram ignores the effect of perspective when dealing with large distances. In the flat earth model the horizon is effectively at infinity where everything converges to the vanishing point. In your diagram you are looking down at the ground, not looking out at the horizon where the sky and the ground/water meet. It is completely wrong.

So I did the math for the three elevations in the video with the water level in post #479
  • At sea level, with an elevation of 1.8m the horizon is at 4.8km and the drop from eye level to the horizon is 0.043°
  • From Malibu, with an elevation of 365.76m the horizon is at 68.5km and the drop from eye level to the horizon is 0.615°
  • From Mt Wilson, with an elevation of 1708.6m the horizon is at 147.6km and the drop from eye level is 1.327°
  • From the ISS, with an elevation of 400km, the horizon is at 2294km and the drop from eye level is 19.793°
Calculations are basic trigonometry using the values above. Angle of drop from eye level is the same as the angle between the two radii, since eye level is perpendicular to the viewpoint radius.
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One of the 'problems' I think a lot of people have, is that diagrams and pictures can only demonstrate the principles, but of necessity can never be to scale. You have to use calculations to work things out.

For example, if you were to draw a circle representing the earth, and were to draw it as large as possible on an HD display, the diameter would be, lets say, 1050 pixels. This would represent 12,742km diameter, which means 1 pixel per 12.7km. Mount Everest drawn to scale on this circle would be less than 1 pixel in height, i.e. within the anti-aliasing. You would not be able to see it.

Or drawing the line of sight to the horizon, 4.8km for a height of 1.8m. For a line using most of the width of an HD display, say 1900 pixels, your observation hight would be 0.7 pixel, so probably not even show up. To get a 1 pixel observation high, you would need 4m actual hight, increasing the distance to the horizon to 7139m (so, 3.75m/pixel).

And this is why the horizon will look like it is straight ahead. Even a massive 1° drop will not be noticeable. At a 4m height, the horizon will be 0.091° below horizontal. If you think you could detect this difference, think again. That is like looking at someone standing 10m away, and being able to tell if they are the same height as you, or 1.6mm shorter (with nothing near to compare, or line up against), just by whether you are looking straight ahead into their eyes, or looking down slightly.

Prodomos' and my explanations not account for any effects of refraction, which can slightly change how far you can see, when looking across water (or a desert) from a low height.

All the numerous YouTube videos with (badly conducted) experiments that 'prove' the earth is flat because you see further than predicted across a lake or similar body of water actually demonstrate that the earth is round. When you climb up a cliff, you can see further. On a flat earth, you you not see any further at 100m up than at 10m up.

And as far as Christian theology is concerned: God created the heavens and the earth.

Ps 19: 1
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Rom 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Science is the study of God's creation (which I think Jipsah already said), whether of not people recognise the Creator. The heavens declare the glory of God, not the lies of Satan.
 
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