Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[HantsUK]

You better catch up...

Take a look at a ship on the ocean. As it goes out to sea.. When it goes "over the horizon" get out your telescope and voila... there it is...

There are also many lighthouses, mountain ranges and land formations that are visible from the shore.. when.... using calculations that are attched to the globe... these sights should be well below the curve and far from being visible.

This is ignoring refraction, a well known effect.
If you ignore refraction, then by seeing 'too far', the earth would still be round, not flat. Just a bit larger.
The light in a lighthouse is at the top, and usually the lighthouse is a tall building. If there are cliffs, the lighthouse is usually on top of the cliffs. If the earth was flat, then there be no point going to all this effort to get the light high up. There would be no benefit.

 

[Aussie Pete]

He doesn't, it is all metaphors. There is no real creation description in The Bible, for christian/scientist.
God waited till the science book before His creation was known.

Science says that the earth is a globe. I don't understand your argument.
Romans 1:18
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You better catch up...

Take a look at a ship on the ocean. As it goes out to sea.. When it goes "over the horizon" get out your telescope and voila... there it is...

There are also many lighthouses, mountain ranges and land formations that are visible from the shore.. when.... using calculations that are attched to the globe... these sights should be well below the curve and far from being visible.

No that’s not true at all. Notice both of these videos are zooming in.

 

[prodromos]

No that’s not true at all. Notice both of these videos are zooming in.

I'm waiting for JacksBratt to post counter videos, which will probably be of a tiny boat which 'disappears' due to the camera having insufficient resolution to discern it in the distance, and then 'reappears' on zooming in.

 

[d taylor]

Science says that the earth is a globe. I don't understand your argument.
Romans 1:18
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

True, that is what science says, i am not arguing/stating about what science says.

My argument is that God's creation as described in The Bible. Is not a water covered sphere, with areas of land scattered around it, floating in an outer space. With a sun, moon and stars that are thousand, million to billion of light years away etc....

 

[d taylor]

When someone can take a glass of water and pour it onto a sphere and have that water magnetize itself to the sphere, all the way around said rotating sphere.

Or show a sphere that just simply rotates and that will not stop rotating on its on. No assisted spinning to keep it going.

Or just make something that works and that can prove sciences theories are true.

 

[Yttrium]

When someone can take a glass of water and pour it onto a sphere and have that water magnetize itself to the sphere, all the way around said rotating sphere.

Or show a sphere that just simply rotates and that will not stop rotating on its on. No assisted spinning to keep it going.

Or just make something that works and that can prove sciences theories are true.

You don't even try to understand science's theories. Or the scientific method, for that matter. If you did understand them, you'd realize that what you're asking for doesn't make any sense.

My advice to you is to stop asking science to demonstrate anything, because you (intentionally!) wouldn't understand it if you saw it.

 

[d taylor]

You don't even try to understand science's theories. Or the scientific method, for that matter. If you did understand them, you'd realize that what you're asking for doesn't make any sense.

My advice to you is to stop asking science to demonstrate anything, because you (intentionally!) wouldn't understand it if you saw it.

I see it is a badge honor to question christianity (skeptic) but Katie bar the door of anyone who questions science.

 

[JacksBratt]

If you travel due West on the equator you will eventually end up back where you started, so it kind of does go on forever

This, too, doesn't make sense. On both models... if you go to the equator and travel west.. you end up back where you started.

On both models.. the horizon ends somewhere... On the globe... it is when you look out into space due to the ground curving underneath you..
On the FE it would be when you met the edge... as it is not infinite.. it is a finite distance away.

 

[HantsUK]

True, that is what science says, i am not arguing/stating about what science says.

My argument is that God's creation as described in The Bible. Is not a water covered sphere, with areas of land scattered around it, floating in an outer space. With a sun, moon and stars that are thousand, million to billion of light years away etc....

God created the world around us, and according to the Bible, this creation reveals something of God. God also revealed himself to us through the Bible.

Both need to be in agreement, if not, something is wrong. Where there is apparent disagreement, the Atheist will dismiss the Bible as just a load of fairy tales. Some Christians, like yourself, take the opposite approach and instead dismiss the created world where it contradicts their particular interpretation of the Bible.

That the earth is round is round, not flat, is beyond all reasonable doubt. Simple everyday observations, coupled with basic geometry and maths demonstrates this. Unlike modern subatomic particle theory, which requires impossible to understand theory, and experimentation costing millions to carry out.

So, what gives? Normal human language is not hyper literal. Only lawyers and solicitors (and patent attorneys) write strictly literal documents, and such documents are very difficult to understand. Fortunately, God communicated to us in written form using normal language, and written for a human perspective, without needing to know a detailed scientific understanding of the universe.

God could have given us a science book, but he didn't. Had he, most people would not have understood it. Flat earth arguments show that many people do not even understand basic geometry, maths, or physics.

 

[JacksBratt]

You should have no problem linking a video showing this then.

This is called looming, where cold dense air close to the surface causes light to bend downwards. If the conditions aren't right then the objects are indeed hidden by the horizon.

 

[JacksBratt]

This is ignoring refraction, a well known effect.
If you ignore refraction, then by seeing 'too far', the earth would still be round, not flat. Just a bit larger.
The light in a lighthouse is at the top, and usually the lighthouse is a tall building. If there are cliffs, the lighthouse is usually on top of the cliffs. If the earth was flat, then there be no point going to all this effort to get the light high up. There would be no benefit.

Yes, that ever popular word... "refraction" it fixes everything.

However, refraction causes mirages and there are far to many things seen constantly to write it off as refraction and calling the argument over.

 

[Aussie Pete]

True, that is what science says, i am not arguing/stating about what science says.

My argument is that God's creation as described in The Bible. Is not a water covered sphere, with areas of land scattered around it, floating in an outer space. With a sun, moon and stars that are thousand, million to billion of light years away etc....

I do not understand how you get that from the Bible. I see no contradiction between what the Bible says and what we observe in reality. People say, "The sun rises". In reality, it does not. We are seeing the rotation of the earth. It's easier to see this from 40,000 feet. However, saying "The rotation of the earth has brought the sun into view" is more of a mouthful than anyone wants to say.

I don't care if you believe that the earth is flat. What does bother me is that you insult intelligent people who know what they've seen and you call born again Christians liars. I don't know why anyone needs to promote FE. It makes no difference to anyone's life, except if you want to fly anywhere. Air travel proves FE to be false. I'd avoid it like the plague if I was you.

 

[d taylor]

God created the world around us, and according to the Bible, this creation reveals something of God. God also revealed himself to us through the Bible.

Both need to be in agreement, if not, something is wrong. Where there is apparent disagreement, the Atheist will dismiss the Bible as just a load of fairy tales. Some Christians, like yourself, take the opposite approach and instead dismiss the created world where it contradicts their particular interpretation of the Bible.

That the earth is round is round, not flat, is beyond all reasonable doubt. Simple everyday observations, coupled with basic geometry and maths demonstrates this. Unlike modern subatomic particle theory, which requires impossible to understand theory, and experimentation costing millions to carry out.

So, what gives? Normal human language is not hyper literal. Only lawyers and solicitors (and patent attorneys) write strictly literal documents, and such documents are very difficult to understand. Fortunately, God communicated to us in written form using normal language, and written for a human perspective, without needing to know a detailed scientific understanding of the universe.

God could have given us a science book, but he didn't. Had he, most people would not have understood it. Flat earth arguments show that many people do not even understand basic geometry, maths, or physics.

That hyper literal coined idea used by science devotees. Is an amusing attempt at discrediting The Bibles creation accounts given in scripture.

Like this is really so hyper literal Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,

or this
Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Only in the minds of people who have science as their guide, can one see The Bibles creation accounts as hyper literal.

 

[prodromos]

Can you tell me at what point the boat disappears, then he uses the zoom lens and the boat reappears? That is what you claimed happens.

 

[d taylor]

I do not understand how you get that from the Bible. I see no contradiction between what the Bible says and what we observe in reality. People say, "The sun rises". In reality, it does not. We are seeing the rotation of the earth. It's easier to see this from 40,000 feet. However, saying "The rotation of the earth has brought the sun into view" is more of a mouthful than anyone wants to say.

I don't care if you believe that the earth is flat. What does bother me is that you insult intelligent people who know what they've seen and you call born again Christians liars. I don't know why anyone needs to promote FE. It makes no difference to anyone's life, except if you want to fly anywhere. Air travel proves FE to be false. I'd avoid it like the plague if I was you.

There is no contradiction from what is observed in reality and God's description described in The Bible. I never said it was, where the contradiction is, is what science states is reality and what is described in The Bible.

 

[JacksBratt]

Can you tell me at what point the boat disappears, then he uses the zoom lens and the boat reappears? That is what you claimed happens.

Here, try the 1:17 minute mark of this video..

 

[Jipsah]

Take a look at a ship on the ocean. As it goes out to sea.. When it goes "over the horizon" get out your telescope and voila... there it is...

Nope. Use as long a lense as you like, you're not going to see the part of the ship that's below the horizon. Don't believe it? Try it your own self. Or more fun, sail off on the boat yourself and watch buildings and hills disappearing from the bottom up as you pull away. Take any kind of binocs, telescopes, telephoto lenses, whatever you like. You'll discover that, viola! the portion of the viewed object that's still above the horizon gets bigger, and the part below the horizon is still invisible.

But don't take my word for it - try it! (But I know you won't.)

There are also many lighthouses, mountain ranges and land formations that are visible from the shore.. when.... using calculations that are attached to the globe... these sights should be well below the curve and far from being visible.

Nope, nary a one. And anyway, the old "but will it work in theory?" canard is just a fairly transparent attempt to avoid reality.

 

[Jipsah]

Btw, so what do you think the Biblical teaching is on cosmology?

There isn't any, not from any technical standpoint.

 

[d taylor]

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What i would like to see is an actual example of this curving water.

Take a large glass aquarium and show with the glass aquarium filled with water how water can curve.