Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Jipsah]

Here you go... Looking out the door just before he jumped... Horizon at mid frame.. and.. no curve.

Why's there a horizon? Why can't he see New York from there?

 

[d taylor]

raqia, heaven, sky
Genesis 1​

What people, christians and people who identify as christian, fail to see is. Genesis 1 is not about the creation of the universe and earth. It is about the creation of the raqia and earth. This raqia is named or called heaven By God in Genesis 1:8.

As accounts of creation develop in Genesis , it is seen in Genesis 1:14, it is stated that the created lights (sun, moon and stars) by God are placed in the raqia of the heavens. And as can be seen this is the same raqia that is separating water.

This raqia is not an imaginary outer space/universe, it is the 1st heaven or as many call it the sky above our head. Where the sun, moon and stars have been placed to give light up on the earth. Where the birds of the air, fly across the face of.

 

[Lost4words]

Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation!

 

[d taylor]

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When people (believers) start to actually look at the actual creation described in The Bible. Not only, to actually look, but to actually believe it. To be able to clear their minds of the indoctrination of science and actually see the creation described in The Bible.

Then it will began to expose the lies of science and stopping the true creation from being known, will be like trying to stop a leaking dam, by trying to tape up the leaks.

 

[JacksBratt]

Of course

Very nice....
Now, let me clarify. On any earth, as you go up in altitude, your line of site to the horizone is going to go down.

However, on a FE the drop will be way way less than on a ball.

So, when you are at altitudes and you take a picture and the horizon is "mid frame" all the time. It does not prove a globe. It actually contradicts it.

On a globe, as you go higher and see farther the horizon would get further and further down, exponentially compared to a flat plain....

This is not what we see.

 

[JacksBratt]

Why's there a horizon? Why can't he see New York from there?

And.... you won't. There is humidity and dust and temperature changes that distort and disturb the light reaching your eye from great distances... But, we do see too far.

 

[Jipsah]

What people, christians and people who identify as christian, fail to see is. Genesis 1 is not about the creation of the universe and earth. It is about the creation of the raqia and earth. This raqia is named or called heaven By God in Genesis 1:8.

OK, so who created everything else?

The universe is "everything that exists". Therefore God created the universe whether it's 10 square miles or 1 to 10 the billionth power cubic miles. You believe that God created a little bitty universe, I think He created an unfathomably massive one.

 

[Jipsah]

When people (believers) start to actually look at the actual creation described in The Bible.

They ought to start by looking out there windows. If yoiu want to know about what God has made, look at it! Get out there in it! Sail His seas and fly His skies! You'll find that yoiu've grossly misunderstood what you've read in the Bible. The universe that God spoke into being if magnificent beyonf human understanding, but you lot try to enclose it in a snow globe. What nonsense!

Not only, to actually look, but to actually believe it. To be able to clear their minds of the indoctrination of science and actually see the creation described in The Bible.

You'd limit God's creation to what tiny bit you can understand. Science, properly so called, is a matter of studying God's creationto i8nderstand what He has done.

Then it will began to expose the lies of science and stopping the true creation from being known, will be like trying to stop a leaking dam, by trying to tape up the leaks.

Fair play, sit in your dogtrot cabin with the doors shut, believing that's all there is. The infinite majesty of God is written on His boundless creation, which you will never know as long as your eyes are shut.[/QUOTE]

 

[Jipsah]

Very nice....
Now, let me clarify. On any earth, as you go up in altitude, your line of site to the horizone is going to go down.

Interesting gibberish, but if the earth is flat why is there a horizon at all?

 

[Jipsah]

And.... you won't. There is humidity and dust and temperature changes that distort and disturb the light reaching your eye from great distances.

and flocks of ducks, they could block our vision too. And road signs. But why can't I see Nashville from here? Or even Shelbyville? Weather's about the same there as here, no dust to speak of, humidity is nominal this time of year. How about Monteagle? Monteagle Mountain is the highest spot in these parts, sticks up above the surrounding countryside like a great wall of stone. Only about 70 miles away, maybe less. Why can't I see it from my upstairs window? What kind of excuses do you have for those places being invisible from here?

 

[prodromos]

Now, let me clarify. On any earth, as you go up in altitude, your line of site to the horizone is going to go down.

That is not correct. You are ignoring perspective, which is odd, seeing as that is usually one of the go to's for flat earthers. On a flat earth the horizon will always be at eye level no matter how high your elevation because you can see further and everything in the distance shrinks to the vanishing point.

 

[prodromos]

Interesting gibberish, but if the earth is flat why is there a horizon at all?

I know. According to them the sky and ground should blur into a band of haze at some distance, yet we always see a distinct line.

 

[d taylor]

They ought to start by looking out there windows. If yoiu want to know about what God has made, look at it! Get out there in it! Sail His seas and fly His skies! You'll find that yoiu've grossly misunderstood what you've read in the Bible. The universe that God spoke into being if magnificent beyonf human understanding, but you lot try to enclose it in a snow globe. What nonsense!

You'd limit God's creation to what tiny bit you can understand. Science, properly so called, is a matter of studying God's creationto i8nderstand what He has done.

Fair play, sit in your dogtrot cabin with the doors shut, believing that's all there is. The infinite majesty of God is written on His boundless creation, which you will never know as long as your eyes are shut.

What is seen when a person looks out their widow (on a clear day) they see the sun, moon and stars (at night) moving over the earth in the raqia, 1st heaven, sky just like The Bible states.

 

[d taylor]

OK, so who created everything else?

The universe is "everything that exists". Therefore God created the universe whether it's 10 square miles or 1 to 10 the billionth power cubic miles. You believe that God created a little bitty universe, I think He created an unfathomably massive one.

You can call it a universe all you want, but that is not God's name for the place, God created where He placed His created lights (sun,moon and stars).

Raqia or heaven is God's name for His creation.

 

[prodromos]

What is seen when a person looks out their widow (on a clear day) they see the sun, moon and stars (at night) moving over the earth in the raqia, 1st heaven, sky just like The Bible states.

Except that here in the southern hemisphere the stars in the night sky circle the south celestial pole in the opposite direction to that which stars in the night sky circle the north celestial pole in the northern hemisphere. Something that is impossible in the earth model formed by your very subjective interpretation of Scripture yet completely consistent with the globe.

 

[d taylor]

and flocks of ducks, they could block our vision too. And road signs. But why can't I see Nashville from here? Or even Shelbyville? Weather's about the same there as here, no dust to speak of, humidity is nominal this time of year. How about Monteagle? Monteagle Mountain is the highest spot in these parts, sticks up above the surrounding countryside like a great wall of stone. Only about 70 miles away, maybe less. Why can't I see it from my upstairs window? What kind of excuses do you have for those places being invisible from here?

I am sure you can read car bumper stickers, from a mile away.

 

[d taylor]

Except that here in the southern hemisphere the stars in the night sky circle the south celestial pole in the opposite direction to that which stars in the night sky circle the north celestial pole in the northern hemisphere. Something that is impossible in the earth model formed by your very subjective interpretation of Scripture yet completely consistent with the globe.

If that is what you are seeing then it is working just fine on/in God's creation. Which by The Bibles descriptive verses is a stationary raqia covered plane.

 

[JacksBratt]

Interesting gibberish, but if the earth is flat why is there a horizon at all?

If you have ever drawn a picture of a road or hallway... or landscape.. You will realize that there are always lines of convergance and the size of things diminish as they get further away.
The things that are really far away are so tiny and they meld into one spot.. As you move toward them, they get bigger and the distances between them, both side to side and front to back, become apparent.

 

[JacksBratt]

and flocks of ducks, they could block our vision too. And road signs. But why can't I see Nashville from here? Or even Shelbyville? Weather's about the same there as here, no dust to speak of, humidity is nominal this time of year. How about Monteagle? Monteagle Mountain is the highest spot in these parts, sticks up above the surrounding countryside like a great wall of stone. Only about 70 miles away, maybe less. Why can't I see it from my upstairs window? What kind of excuses do you have for those places being invisible from here?

Gibberish? You're one to talk. (I've actually never known someone from Gibber.. Do they really call their language "Gibberish"? hmmmm)

I'm not talking about road signs and ducks. Take 1000 miles of atmosphere and run it through your vaccum cleaner... Then put that all on a pane of glass and see if you could see through it.

 

[JacksBratt]

That is not correct. You are ignoring perspective, which is odd, seeing as that is usually one of the go to's for flat earthers. On a flat earth the horizon will always be at eye level no matter how high your elevation because you can see further and everything in the distance shrinks to the vanishing point.

It does.. but.. it has to go down a bit as you are higher and the last point of the actual flat plain will be lower.

If I tied a string to the goal line of a soccer pitch and stood at the center.. the string would be flat.. Climb a ladder and the string would angle down toward the goal line.

The ball, on the other hand.. must curve away. As you go higher and see farther you will see the surface that is falling away.. Eventually you will come to a point where the curve blocks you line of site.
However, the horizon must be lower and lower and lower.. It would be exponential.