Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[JacksBratt]

Well you've made yourself pretty clear. I should warn you that Satan is the accuser of the brethren. You will answer to God. I expect nothing from unbelievers. They would not know the truth if they tripped over it. But Christians should love truth. You, plainly, do not.

Satan is also "the great deciever". I still stand for what I said. I hold no man to be true when what I see is different.

Romans 3:4

New International Version


4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:



Are you not being an "accuser" when you state: " Christians should love truth. You, plainly, do not "?

I am on a search for truth. I will not accept things based on majority either. Truth is not a majority. A million people can state that something is solid fact... and all be wrong. One man can state the truth and be the one who is correct.

To show you how man speaks with a forked tongue, Auguste Piccard and his assistant were the first humans to go high into the atmosphere. 15,971 meters in fact. What he saw was this:

“It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge,”

What does the author do in the article of March 2017, when the FE is all the rage? They state this, right before his quote:

"Piccard calibrated the cosmic rays (much more powerful there than on the surface of the Earth) and became the first person to observe the curvature of our planet."

Now, how on earth could you say these two things in one sentence?

He saw the curvature of the earth... it appeared a "flat disc" with upturned edges"

You cannot make this stuff up. As the rhyme goes... One bright day in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other.......

That quote was printed and remains that way without retraction in any copy you can get of that magazine. It's on page 23. I beleive Popular Science August 1931.

But, in past years, the world could not have that.. they had to deny it and change the context and or the meaning. Why would a scientist allow this statement to remain if it was not truly what he said?

Auguste Piccard, the Versatile Explorer: from the Sky to the Bottom of the Sea

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Did an ancient Hebrew create that?

Ok, it's an image that fits the pieces together. Instead of obfuscation, why don't you show how all those elements fit the spinning spaceball model. Betcha can't.

 

[ewq1938]

Ok, it's an image that fits the pieces together. Instead of obfuscation, why don't you show how all those elements fit the spinning spaceball model. Betcha can't.

Things like tents and pillars are metaphors. They don't belong in a man made picture. But, if someone wanted to, they could just put a globe Earth in the middle with all the other things in the same places.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Satan is also "the great deciever". I still stand for what I said. I hold no man to be true when what I see is different.

Romans 3:4

New International Version


4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:



Are you not being an "accuser" when you state: " Christians should love truth. You, plainly, do not "?

I am on a search for truth. I will not accept things based on majority either. Truth is not a majority. A million people can state that something is solid fact... and all be wrong. One man can state the truth and be the one who is correct.

To show you how man speaks with a forked tongue, Auguste Piccard and his assistant were the first humans to go high into the atmosphere. 15,971 meters in fact. What he saw was this:

“It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge,”

What does the author do in the article of March 2017, when the FE is all the rage? They state this, right before his quote:

"Piccard calibrated the cosmic rays (much more powerful there than on the surface of the Earth) and became the first person to observe the curvature of our planet."

Now, how on earth could you say these two things in one sentence?

He saw the curvature of the earth... it appeared a "flat disc" with upturned edges"

You cannot make this stuff up. As the rhyme goes... One bright day in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other.......

That quote was printed and remains that way without retraction in any copy you can get of that magazine. It's on page 23. I beleive Popular Science August 1931.

But, in past years, the world could not have that.. they had to deny it and change the context and or the meaning. Why would a scientist allow this statement to remain if it was not truly what he said?

Auguste Piccard, the Versatile Explorer: from the Sky to the Bottom of the Sea

You, without any rational reason or justification, call eyewitness liars. Those men, at least six of them, are born again Christians. You can't give a satisfactory answer as to why they should lie. 600 other men and women have confirmed, from space, what the 6 declared. That's not good enough for you. That makes no sense to me.

 

[JacksBratt]

You, without any rational reason or justification, call eyewitness liars. Those men, at least six of them, are born again Christians. You can't give a satisfactory answer as to why they should lie. 600 other men and women have confirmed, from space, what the 6 declared. That's not good enough for you. That makes no sense to me.

Well, now you can be an eyewitness as you hear with your own ears.... sound.... in space.. which is impossible. Explain this or except that this scene, at least, is faked... If this is fake, then why do I believe any are not fake. Especially with the treasure trove of bloopers and impossibilities and observable mess ups in the many videos of them "on the moon".

 

[Yttrium]

Well, now you can be an eyewitness as you hear with your own ears.... sound.... in space.. which is impossible. Explain this or except that this scene, at least, is faked... If this is fake, then why do I believe any are not fake. Especially with the treasure trove of bloopers and impossibilities and observable mess ups in the many videos of them "on the moon".

Hmm. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but I feel the need to point out that sounds can travel through objects... and the ground.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hmm. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but I feel the need to point out that sounds can travel through objects... and the ground.

So, how did the sound of the hammer go to the mike on the camera.. or, when he threw the object and it hit the lunar module... how did that sound get to the camera.

You heard it right? the bell stopped making a sound when the vaccume was created. The astronaught stating that, on space walks, there was no sound?

Then you have 3 examples of sound in "space".

 

[Yttrium]

So, how did the sound of the hammer go to the mike on the camera.. or, when he threw the object and it hit the lunar module... how did that sound get to the camera.

I'm not trying to explain it. I just wanted to point out that you're not dealing with things floating in space. If things are connected together, a sound at one end can travel to the other end. That's how a "string phone" works.

Build a String Telephone – The Wonders of Physics – UW–Madison (wisc.edu)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but I feel the need to point out that sounds can travel through objects... and the ground.

On a related note. Lately I have been having some ear problems. Part of my ear is clogged quite often making it very hard to hear things. Which is why I was amazed at how sound can be transmitted through one's own bones. I noticed this on a bad day when it had frozen. i am not hearing anything from outside, but when I was walking through gravel and breaking up the frozen pieces I could hear that. I had to stop and grind my feet around in circles. It was rather amazing. Sound does not travel just through the air. It travels through liquids and solids quite well too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, how did the sound of the hammer go to the mike on the camera.. or, when he threw the object and it hit the lunar module... how did that sound get to the camera.

You heard it right? the bell stopped making a sound when the vaccume was created. The astronaught stating that, on space walks, there was no sound?

Then you have 3 examples of sound in "space".

There are at least two possible answers. One the sound could have traveled through solid materials. They do transmit sound. Or the video faked it. Did you check the original videos to see if the sound was there? I would think that it would be more likely that they faked it than NASA faking the Moon landings.

By the way, I can show you a video with very powerful evidence for them being on the Moon. First one question, did you grow up in the city or in the country?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Well, now you can be an eyewitness as you hear with your own ears.... sound.... in space.. which is impossible. Explain this or except that this scene, at least, is faked... If this is fake, then why do I believe any are not fake. Especially with the treasure trove of bloopers and impossibilities and observable mess ups in the many videos of them "on the moon".

If there is sound, it is either a fake video or the sound was edited in. That does nothing to invalidate the real. The last lunar landing was December 1972. Technology has improved dramatically since then. I'm no expert, but I'd expect that fakes would be much easier to make now than then.

Moon landings footage would have been impossible to fake – a film expert explains why

 

[Lost4words]

If there is sound, it is either a fake video or the sound was edited in. That does nothing to invalidate the real. The last lunar landing was December 1972. Technology has improved dramatically since then. I'm no expert, but I'd expect that fakes would be much easier to make now than then.

Moon landings footage would have been impossible to fake – a film expert explains why

Flat earthers are quick to shout fake when it comes to pics from NASA etc etc but we have to remember that in all probability, the stuff we see from them is almost def fake!

 

[JacksBratt]

I'm not trying to explain it. I just wanted to point out that you're not dealing with things floating in space. If things are connected together, a sound at one end can travel to the other end. That's how a "string phone" works.

Build a String Telephone – The Wonders of Physics – UW–Madison (wisc.edu)

So, in those cases, the sound traveled from the source, through the metal, to the moons surface, over to and up the tripod and into the camera's mike? Really? Have you ever actually used a "string phone"? The string must be very tight and you have to be very quite... Nothing like we see here. This is sound like you would hear in, say, a movie set?

 

[JacksBratt]

There are at least two possible answers. One the sound could have traveled through solid materials. They do transmit sound. Or the video faked it. Did you check the original videos to see if the sound was there? I would think that it would be more likely that they faked it than NASA faking the Moon landings.

By the way, I can show you a video with very powerful evidence for them being on the Moon. First one question, did you grow up in the city or in the country?

How far do you think that sound should travelle and sound like it's from a movie set? See my previous post.

Now you are trying to state that this is fake sound? We could check but NASA erased all the video and data from these missions...

Some things just make you go hmmmmmm.

 

[Lost4words]

Only fake stuff i see comes from flat earth believers!

 

[JacksBratt]

If there is sound, it is either a fake video or the sound was edited in. That does nothing to invalidate the real. The last lunar landing was December 1972. Technology has improved dramatically since then. I'm no expert, but I'd expect that fakes would be much easier to make now than then.

Moon landings footage would have been impossible to fake – a film expert explains why

I'll say this to you. There is so much impossible and outrageous video proof of the "lunar landings" being fake, that this one clip could even be faked... but you cannot account for the reems of bloopers.

Enjoy this one.. best music video ever made... real catchy tune and marionettes.

 

[Yttrium]

So, in those cases, the sound traveled from the source, through the metal, to the moons surface, over to and up the tripod and into the camera's mike? Really?

I'm not saying it did. I was just correcting you on your assertion that it was impossible for sound to travel.

Off the top of my head, I can think of over a dozen explanations for the sound, some harmless, some nefarious (including faking the whole thing in a studio), and at least one involving time travel. I have a very active imagination.

 

[Yttrium]

Enjoy this one.. best music video ever made... real catchy tune and marionettes.

Yeah, you try moving around in one of those suits when pressurized. It's awkward enough in normal gravity, let alone low gravity.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yeah, you try moving around in one of those suits when pressurized. It's awkward enough in normal gravity, let alone low gravity.

Ya, that's gotta be it. LOL

 

[Subduction Zone]

How far do you think that sound should travelle and sound like it's from a movie set? See my previous post.

Now you are trying to state that this is fake sound? We could check but NASA erased all the video and data from these missions...

Some things just make you go hmmmmmm.

You appear to be a bit confused. They got those from NASA. They had to get them from NASA's YouTube channel. Only some of the Moon landing videos were lost.

And you dodged a reasonable question. That indicates that deep down you know that you are wrong.

Were you brought up in the country or the city?