Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Subduction Zone]

I'll say this to you. There is so much impossible and outrageous video proof of the "lunar landings" being fake, that this one clip could even be faked... but you cannot account for the reems of bloopers.

Enjoy this one.. best music video ever made... real catchy tune and marionettes.

So because you found some fools that did not understand what they were seeing this somehow refutes the Moon landing?? If you look at that critically those maneuvers could not have occurred on the Earth. They had to occur at 1/6g.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya, that's gotta be it. LOL

You should learn how to test your ideas properly.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Well, now you can be an eyewitness as you hear with your own ears.... sound.... in space.. which is impossible. Explain this or except that this scene, at least, is faked... If this is fake, then why do I believe any are not fake. Especially with the treasure trove of bloopers and impossibilities and observable mess ups in the many videos of them "on the moon".

I don't suppose you can explain why no one has been to the edge of the earth that must exist if it is flat. I don't imagine that you have an explanation for gravity. Your mathematical formula refers to a parabola, not the curve of a circle. (See, I check these things). That is why objects don't behave according to the formula. Of course, none of this will influence you. I'm hoping only that the undecided will realise that FE is a dud.

 

[LightLoveHope]

I don't suppose you can explain why no one has been to the edge of the earth that must exist if it is flat. I don't imagine that you have an explanation for gravity. Your mathematical formula refers to a parabola, not the curve of a circle. (See, I check these things). That is why objects don't behave according to the formula. Of course, none of this will influence you. I'm hoping only that the undecided will realise that FE is a dud.

This reminds me, in the UK an astronaut went up to the international space station which orbits the earth every few hours. Now they could spend that time at the window as see the globe pass by below them. In TV interviews with them on the station and afterwards there was no doubt they went round the world with no edge. The even experienced the dawn and dusk as they went from the dark to the sunny side of the world every few hours.

As far as I know there is a tv link with the station so maybe one could even see things from ISS if you have the right equipment.

Emotionally how do people go from the earth is flat, we are part of this group to the earth is round, why on earth did I accept it was flat before? The sad reality is we are mere humans and we want to belong and often to be different and identify strongly with a group and have interesting and insightful interactions. If this need gets stronger than truth or staying where we are and growing, then often we will dump all the negative and obvious points and jump right in.

The are now many studies on human behaviour, and in trauma how we withdraw to a safe place where our sacred beliefs reside, and any other ideas are just rejected without further thought. Ironically it just emphasises arguments will not cause change, but possibly warn off others from falling into this rabbit hole. God bless you

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't suppose you can explain why no one has been to the edge of the earth that must exist if it is flat. I don't imagine that you have an explanation for gravity. Your mathematical formula refers to a parabola, not the curve of a circle. (See, I check these things). That is why objects don't behave according to the formula. Of course, none of this will influence you. I'm hoping only that the undecided will realise that FE is a dud.

Aussie, are you new to the FE concept? Not to be rude, but, that question is one of the ones asked by those who have not debated with the FE people at all.

There are a few questions that are asked by people new to the arguement. Yours is one. Others are "how can you sail around/fly around, the flat earth"? or, "How do the seasons work"? or, "what about the test that Eratosthenes did"?

If you dig into the FE view and their evidence, you will see how these questions are the basics and easily answered.

I really suggest that you look into Rob Skiba's YouTube channel. He has saddly passed away but was a young researcher and mature man of God who knew his Bible and the Biblically synchronised extrabilblical texts that he used as references.

Rob spoke at many of the FE conferences. And, even though I don't agree with 100% of what Rob said or believed... he was a brilliant man and true to Christ. His talks at these conferences lit up the room with his light for God's heart.

He helped fly a hot air balloon to 100,000 feet with a real camea lense. Not a fish eye ( which gives the earth curvature from the ground level and 30,000 feet). He actually went to Lake Michigan and reproduced the proof that there was no mirage. He has a very good handle on what the FE model would be like, if it is in fact the true reality.

If you really want to argue a topic... IMO.. you should really investigate it first.

In the end, one of Robs famous quotes rings true... "Every flat earth believer started off with "Your crazy, the earth aint flat"......Every one.

In answer to your question.. "Why has nobody been to the edge"? Well the edge of the FE model circumnavigates the pie shaped earth at Antarctica. Antarctica surrounds the edge of the pie shape. It is not an island contenant but rather a border. To get to the edge you have to go south and keep going. Which, you are not allowed to do because of a multi country treaty.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't suppose you can explain why no one has been to the edge of the earth that must exist if it is flat. I don't imagine that you have an explanation for gravity. Your mathematical formula refers to a parabola, not the curve of a circle. (See, I check these things). That is why objects don't behave according to the formula. Of course, none of this will influence you. I'm hoping only that the undecided will realise that FE is a dud.

Another thing that you may want to look into is "Operation High Jump" which was part of "Operation Fish bowl" and Operation "Dominique".

Operation "High Jump" was when Admiral Byrd went to Antarchtica to investigate military things after WWll. But came back early due to some unknown things that they saw and the US started firing nukes into the high atmosphere. They also started drilling holes as deep as they could into the earth at the same time.

"High Jump" was coined due to the ice wall that surrounds Antarctica. Operation Fish bowl was for the high atmosphere nukes. "Dominique" means "of the Lord".

This means it was "Operation Fish bowl of the Lord". Kinda telling eh?

Rumor has it that a couple of Admiral Byrds air craft hit an invisible force field or wall and disintigrated. This lead them to believe that the Nazi's had developed an invisible force field.

Admiral Byrd is on vidoe tape stating that they saw open lakes and enough coal "beyond the pole" (kinda curious) that could supply the world energy needs indefinitely.

As Rob Skiba asked "what would you do if you found out that you were in a cage?" "Would you not see how high it was and if you could dig out"? Hence the high altitude nukes and deep drilling of holes.

Interesting concept.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Another thing that you may want to look into is "Operation High Jump" which was part of "Operation Fish bowl" and Operation "Dominique".

Operation "High Jump" was when Admiral Byrd went to Antarchtica to investigate military things after WWll. But came back early due to some unknown things that they saw and the US started firing nukes into the high atmosphere. They also started drilling holes as deep as they could into the earth at the same time.

"High Jump" was coined due to the ice wall that surrounds Antarctica. Operation Fish bowl was for the high atmosphere nukes. "Dominique" means "of the Lord".

This means it was "Operation Fish bowl of the Lord". Kinda telling eh?

Rumor has it that a couple of Admiral Byrds air craft hit an invisible force field or wall and disintigrated. This lead them to believe that the Nazi's had developed an invisible force field.

Admiral Byrd is on vidoe tape stating that they saw open lakes and enough coal "beyond the pole" (kinda curious) that could supply the world energy needs indefinitely.

As Rob Skiba asked "what would you do if you found out that you were in a cage?" "Would you not see how high it was and if you could dig out"? Hence the high altitude nukes and deep drilling of holes.

Interesting concept.

Rumours, concepts, unproveable assertions, that's FE for you. How about highly trained, professional air force pilots circumnavigating the globe? Sailors who have done likewise? It's well known that there are substantial natural resources in the Antarctic region. There is a moratorium on development. How did Byrd know the extent of coal deposits? Did he do a geological survey?

Why would nukes be necessary to find out the height of anything? A WW2 V2 reached a height of 175 km, which is officially where space starts. No nuclear blast has got anywhere near that. 60 km is the highest.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Aussie, are you new to the FE concept? Not to be rude, but, that question is one of the ones asked by those who have not debated with the FE people at all.

There are a few questions that are asked by people new to the arguement. Yours is one. Others are "how can you sail around/fly around, the flat earth"? or, "How do the seasons work"? or, "what about the test that Eratosthenes did"?

If you dig into the FE view and their evidence, you will see how these questions are the basics and easily answered.

I really suggest that you look into Rob Skiba's YouTube channel. He has saddly passed away but was a young researcher and mature man of God who knew his Bible and the Biblically synchronised extrabilblical texts that he used as references.

Rob spoke at many of the FE conferences. And, even though I don't agree with 100% of what Rob said or believed... he was a brilliant man and true to Christ. His talks at these conferences lit up the room with his light for God's heart.

He helped fly a hot air balloon to 100,000 feet with a real camea lense. Not a fish eye ( which gives the earth curvature from the ground level and 30,000 feet). He actually went to Lake Michigan and reproduced the proof that there was no mirage. He has a very good handle on what the FE model would be like, if it is in fact the true reality.

If you really want to argue a topic... IMO.. you should really investigate it first.

In the end, one of Robs famous quotes rings true... "Every flat earth believer started off with "Your crazy, the earth aint flat"......Every one.

In answer to your question.. "Why has nobody been to the edge"? Well the edge of the FE model circumnavigates the pie shaped earth at Antarctica. Antarctica surrounds the edge of the pie shape. It is not an island contenant but rather a border. To get to the edge you have to go south and keep going. Which, you are not allowed to do because of a multi country treaty.

I start from a different perspective. Yes, I came late to FE. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that anyone could believe it was flat and I'd not come across flerfers until I went on the forum. The problem is that I know the earth is a globe. All FE arguments have done is get me to examine them, and prove to myself even more conclusively that the earth is a globe.

It is possible to fly over the poles. It's simply not economic. Airlines have fuel cost, travel time and safety in mind when planning routes. The poles are too far from cost effective routes. It's also not always safe, as Air New Zealand discovered in 1979.

 

[Acts2:38Apologetics]

I like many others, came to realize the earth was flat, when i tried to debunk it.
My brother was into flat earth, and so I decided to go down the rabbit hole to prove him wrong.
Didn't turn out so well. Or maybe it did

The thing for me is, we literally are the centre of the universe, and God loves us so much that when he said he made earth his footstool he wasn't kidding.

OR, Everything was created out of nothing, Everything was created out of Chaos, we aren't the centre of the universe, we're just a speck of dust in a solar system within other solar systems within a universe, and we are so insignificant, and out of sight.

I work as a Civil drafter, on roads projects, so I've used AutoCAD and drafted up the earth, and the moon and the sun, and I've done calculations on globe formulas using known landmarks that you shouldn't be able to see because of the curvature of the earth - and the maths just doesn't stack up.

I don't have the answer for everything yet, but I know enough to know that she's flat as a pancake.

Praise the Lord!

 

[Aussie Pete]

I like many others, came to realize the earth was flat, when i tried to debunk it.
My brother was into flat earth, and so I decided to go down the rabbit hole to prove him wrong.
Didn't turn out so well. Or maybe it did

The thing for me is, we literally are the centre of the universe, and God loves us so much that when he said he made earth his footstool he wasn't kidding.

OR, Everything was created out of nothing, Everything was created out of Chaos, we aren't the centre of the universe, we're just a speck of dust in a solar system within other solar systems within a universe, and we are so insignificant, and out of sight.

I work as a Civil drafter, on roads projects, so I've used AutoCAD and drafted up the earth, and the moon and the sun, and I've done calculations on globe formulas using known landmarks that you shouldn't be able to see because of the curvature of the earth - and the maths just doesn't stack up.

I don't have the answer for everything yet, but I know enough to know that she's flat as a pancake.

Praise the Lord!

What is the formula that you are using? Airlines use great circle navigation because the earth is a globe. The shortest distance between two points is not a straight line. When it comes to saving money, airlines know what is reality. They also know flight times are shorter. of course, there are complexities such as forbidden flight paths, but in general, that's how they fly.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Aussie, are you new to the FE concept? Not to be rude, but, that question is one of the ones asked by those who have not debated with the FE people at all.

There are a few questions that are asked by people new to the arguement. Yours is one. Others are "how can you sail around/fly around, the flat earth"? or, "How do the seasons work"? or, "what about the test that Eratosthenes did"?

If you dig into the FE view and their evidence, you will see how these questions are the basics and easily answered.

I really suggest that you look into Rob Skiba's YouTube channel. He has saddly passed away but was a young researcher and mature man of God who knew his Bible and the Biblically synchronised extrabilblical texts that he used as references.

Rob spoke at many of the FE conferences. And, even though I don't agree with 100% of what Rob said or believed... he was a brilliant man and true to Christ. His talks at these conferences lit up the room with his light for God's heart.

He helped fly a hot air balloon to 100,000 feet with a real camea lense. Not a fish eye ( which gives the earth curvature from the ground level and 30,000 feet). He actually went to Lake Michigan and reproduced the proof that there was no mirage. He has a very good handle on what the FE model would be like, if it is in fact the true reality.

If you really want to argue a topic... IMO.. you should really investigate it first.

In the end, one of Robs famous quotes rings true... "Every flat earth believer started off with "Your crazy, the earth aint flat"......Every one.

In answer to your question.. "Why has nobody been to the edge"? Well the edge of the FE model circumnavigates the pie shaped earth at Antarctica. Antarctica surrounds the edge of the pie shape. It is not an island contenant but rather a border. To get to the edge you have to go south and keep going. Which, you are not allowed to do because of a multi country treaty.

I know you would not be interested in the Thwaites glacier and its collapse in Antarctica. But if you watched the presentations etc. a lot of data is gained from satellites and aerial surveys. Now they have surveyed the whole of the ice sheet, the islands, coast and estimated the amount of water held there. There is literally no area unexplored or mapped because climate change is a real thing and is a serious threat to the whole world, especially coastal cities.

Long ago no one was that interested in Antarctica because it is very cold and just a lump of ice, but not now.
High-Precision Map Shows What the Land Looks Like Under Antarctica’s Ice Sheet

Now with the best will in the world this is not a flat earth model with a wall of ice going all the way round. God bless you

 

[Subduction Zone]

I like many others, came to realize the earth was flat, when i tried to debunk it.
My brother was into flat earth, and so I decided to go down the rabbit hole to prove him wrong.
Didn't turn out so well. Or maybe it did

The thing for me is, we literally are the centre of the universe, and God loves us so much that when he said he made earth his footstool he wasn't kidding.

OR, Everything was created out of nothing, Everything was created out of Chaos, we aren't the centre of the universe, we're just a speck of dust in a solar system within other solar systems within a universe, and we are so insignificant, and out of sight.

I work as a Civil drafter, on roads projects, so I've used AutoCAD and drafted up the earth, and the moon and the sun, and I've done calculations on globe formulas using known landmarks that you shouldn't be able to see because of the curvature of the earth - and the maths just doesn't stack up.

I don't have the answer for everything yet, but I know enough to know that she's flat as a pancake.

Praise the Lord!

There are far more problems with the Flat Earth. First your supposed "see too far" claims. Flat Earth believers constantly forget about the effects of refraction. The surface of the Earth is quite often warmer than the air above it.This will cause a temperature gradient in the air with warmer, and therefore less dense air closer to the ground. This will bend light slightly. A small bend over many miles will make the horizon appear to be further away than it would in a vacuum. This effect will also vary with local weather conditions. That is why some days we see further than others. On a very hot day on flat ground we will sometimes see severe refraction. The ground will look like a body of water. That is a mirage. You are seeing the sky when you look at distant objects that should be land.

Flat Earthers cannot even explain sunrise and sunset. Here is a simple test that you can do yourself. The stars are supposedly fixed points in the firmament according to Flat Earthers. If that is the case as they rise and set they would have to get closer and further away from each other unless one was at the very center of the Flat Earth. Which would be at the North Pole. Go out early at night with a ruler. Find two stars near the horizon that you will be able to reco

I like many others, came to realize the earth was flat, when i tried to debunk it.
My brother was into flat earth, and so I decided to go down the rabbit hole to prove him wrong.
Didn't turn out so well. Or maybe it did

The thing for me is, we literally are the centre of the universe, and God loves us so much that when he said he made earth his footstool he wasn't kidding.

OR, Everything was created out of nothing, Everything was created out of Chaos, we aren't the centre of the universe, we're just a speck of dust in a solar system within other solar systems within a universe, and we are so insignificant, and out of sight.

I work as a Civil drafter, on roads projects, so I've used AutoCAD and drafted up the earth, and the moon and the sun, and I've done calculations on globe formulas using known landmarks that you shouldn't be able to see because of the curvature of the earth - and the maths just doesn't stack up.

I don't have the answer for everything yet, but I know enough to know that she's flat as a pancake.

Praise the Lord!

Your argument relies on ignoring the effects of refraction.

 

[Paul4JC]

Ok... try to prove me wrong.. I have been on the fence with this "flat earth" thing.. but I have news..

The earth is 71% water and it is NOT carbonated...
So.... it's flat....

It's soooooo flat, you can't get around it!

 

[JacksBratt]

Rumours, concepts, unproveable assertions, that's FE for you. How about highly trained, professional air force pilots circumnavigating the globe? Sailors who have done likewise? It's well known that there are substantial natural resources in the Antarctic region. There is a moratorium on development. How did Byrd know the extent of coal deposits? Did he do a geological survey?

Why would nukes be necessary to find out the height of anything? A WW2 V2 reached a height of 175 km, which is officially where space starts. No nuclear blast has got anywhere near that. 60 km is the highest.

Hey, all I'm stating is actual events. You can speculate all you want. Operation High Jump, Operation Fish bowl.... all real events.

 

[JacksBratt]

I start from a different perspective. Yes, I came late to FE. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that anyone could believe it was flat and I'd not come across flerfers until I went on the forum. The problem is that I know the earth is a globe. All FE arguments have done is get me to examine them, and prove to myself even more conclusively that the earth is a globe.

It is possible to fly over the poles. It's simply not economic. Airlines have fuel cost, travel time and safety in mind when planning routes. The poles are too far from cost effective routes. It's also not always safe, as Air New Zealand discovered in 1979.

All arguments well debated by FE believers and Globe defenders. You really should check out Rob's keynote speaking lectures. Seriously. Even if I am not a believer in the FE, you gotta listen. He has some very good points and whatever this world really is... It is not a tiny globe like they say.

 

[JacksBratt]

I know you would not be interested in the Thwaites glacier and its collapse in Antarctica. But if you watched the presentations etc. a lot of data is gained from satellites and aerial surveys. Now they have surveyed the whole of the ice sheet, the islands, coast and estimated the amount of water held there. There is literally no area unexplored or mapped because climate change is a real thing and is a serious threat to the whole world, especially coastal cities.

Long ago no one was that interested in Antarctica because it is very cold and just a lump of ice, but not now.
High-Precision Map Shows What the Land Looks Like Under Antarctica’s Ice Sheet

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Now with the best will in the world this is not a flat earth model with a wall of ice going all the way round. God bless you

Oh, I know climate change is real. Fact is..... man is not causing it. Just wait, it will all come around. Al Gore's predictions never happened and the sheep still hold on to this farce. But. that's for another thread.

 

[Aussie Pete]

All arguments well debated by FE believers and Globe defenders. You really should check out Rob's keynote speaking lectures. Seriously. Even if I am not a believer in the FE, you gotta listen. He has some very good points and whatever this world really is... It is not a tiny globe like they say.

I don't know why you persist with this. I know the earth is a globe. I have an uncommon last name. I was in sales most of my working life and I was always spelling out my last name. I had someone tell me once, "That's not how you spell it!" Well, it is. I know. It's on my birth certificate. I am as sure that the earth is a globe as I am of the spelling of my last name. I have evidence just as substantial as my birth certificate. Nothing you or anyone else can say will change my mind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, I know climate change is real. Fact is..... man is not causing it. Just wait, it will all come around. Al Gore's predictions never happened and the sheep still hold on to this farce. But. that's for another thread.

Al Gore was a political hack. He was not a scientist. Yes, everything that he predicted was wrong. But the IPCC has been very accurate if you go with their middle of the road predictions. They have a range of "It could be as bad as this to It is going to get warmer, but it might not be that bad The middle of the road predictions have been very accurate to date and they are very very worrying.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Oh, I know climate change is real. Fact is..... man is not causing it. Just wait, it will all come around. Al Gore's predictions never happened and the sheep still hold on to this farce. But. that's for another thread.

Conspiracy theory ideas. Watched a video of a couple of guys flying round the world to prove it was flat. In passing the idea the government makes clouds to stop people realising the world is flat shows the type of crazy ideas that are so easy here.

The real world is full of people who experience life as it is and draw simple conclusions from their everyday experience and realise most things are simple and uncontrolled. The world being round is just one simple fact of navigation discovered by all captains of the sea, and the time to go round cape horn is a measurable distance as opposed to going through the suez canal. If the world was flat, it would soon become obvious when you take the projection of the round globe and flatten it. Put simply it costs a lot of money if the world was flat, which is a very big incentive to declare the layout correctly. Oddly for flat earthers, ships captains know the earth is round. Not something you miss.

One race that truly shows the world for the globe it is is the round the world yacht race which goes the to south of Africa and America as part of its route. For the flat earth model you are talking 4x the distance from the actual measured distance.

It would be impossible not to notice this reality.
So if the trip takes 2.5 months, you are talking instead taking 10 months. You would notice this kind of issue.

God bless you

 

[LightLoveHope]

Another thing that you may want to look into is "Operation High Jump" which was part of "Operation Fish bowl" and Operation "Dominique".

Operation "High Jump" was when Admiral Byrd went to Antarchtica to investigate military things after WWll. But came back early due to some unknown things that they saw and the US started firing nukes into the high atmosphere. They also started drilling holes as deep as they could into the earth at the same time.

"High Jump" was coined due to the ice wall that surrounds Antarctica. Operation Fish bowl was for the high atmosphere nukes. "Dominique" means "of the Lord".

This means it was "Operation Fish bowl of the Lord". Kinda telling eh?

Rumor has it that a couple of Admiral Byrds air craft hit an invisible force field or wall and disintigrated. This lead them to believe that the Nazi's had developed an invisible force field.

Admiral Byrd is on vidoe tape stating that they saw open lakes and enough coal "beyond the pole" (kinda curious) that could supply the world energy needs indefinitely.

As Rob Skiba asked "what would you do if you found out that you were in a cage?" "Would you not see how high it was and if you could dig out"? Hence the high altitude nukes and deep drilling of holes.

Interesting concept.

When facts become so and so said ..... you know there is further confirmation required, because people can and do make up stuff. So take a simple reality, gravity. It is a very odd force, that pulls objects together, based on their mass. It is not something one can ignore, as it is there from the day we first open our eyes. If you look at the moon, it becomes clear gravity makes things into balls.

Being on a large ball, so big it appears locally to be flat, the obvious assumption to make is that it is a large ball. One simple clue is when the earth eclipses the moon, and you can see the curvature of the earth creating a shadow on the moon. Another is the time zones and the shadow of night and day as it goes round the world, as can be seen from space. It is so predictable, the weather reports tell us when sunrise and sunset happen for any location on the earth.

Now one can invent complex ideas around how a flat earth could recreate these affects but it quickly gets absurd. Take the simple idea of how cold space is. -270c. To be warm to any degree a planet has to get its heat from the sun, all the time. Now that is a lot of heat to overcome this massive freezing environment. For space craft in the sun you are talking 120c. Now if one claims this heat source is just a small globe a few thousand miles above earths surface, you have got some serious problems with the earth not being fried and destroyed, or the heat from the sun being insignificant.

I wonder why one has to go this far though? What emotional problem is too difficult to overcome to go this extreme and ignore simple facts and observations?

It appears true that people who are very stressed and isolated return to their sacred beliefs without the ability to question or compare them. So whatever those believe in regard to the world and the society in general, if their brains have shut off all incoming information, the door is already closed.

God bless you