Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[JacksBratt]

I don't know why you persist with this. I know the earth is a globe. I have an uncommon last name. I was in sales most of my working life and I was always spelling out my last name. I had someone tell me once, "That's not how you spell it!" Well, it is. I know. It's on my birth certificate. I am as sure that the earth is a globe as I am of the spelling of my last name. I have evidence just as substantial as my birth certificate. Nothing you or anyone else can say will change my mind.

Very good. You have your mind made up. Just like 100% of all the people that now believe in the FE. They stood right where you are now with the same belief.

 

[JacksBratt]

Al Gore was a political hack. He was not a scientist. Yes, everything that he predicted was wrong. But the IPCC has been very accurate if you go with their middle of the road predictions. They have a range of "It could be as bad as this to It is going to get warmer, but it might not be that bad The middle of the road predictions have been very accurate to date and they are very very worrying.

Well, Al Gore's propoganda production on the climate has almost everyone thinking that were going to die or drown if we don't do anything.

I belive that this is a typical cyclic pattern of the earths weather. Even AOC and Gretta think that we have 12 years... well, now 11 years before we die...
Hogwash.

As for scientists, it's getting harder to find, due to the algorythims of google and other sites... but.. there are very intelligent and acredited meteorologists and scientists of other diciplins that accept that climate changes but totally deny any man made or man fixed climate problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Very good. You have your mind made up. Just like 100% of all the people that now believe in the FE. They stood right where you are now with the same belief.

I have my mind up because I know. I do have scientific evidence that supports me. There is no scientific evidence for the Flat Earth model. And I bet I can get you to tacitly admit it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, Al Gore's propoganda production on the climate has almost everyone thinking that were going to die or drown if we don't do anything.

I belive that this is a typical cyclic pattern of the earths weather. Even AOC and Gretta think that we have 12 years... well, now 11 years before we die...
Hogwash.

As for scientists, it's getting harder to find, due to the algorythims of google and other sites... but.. there are very intelligent and acredited meteorologists and scientists of other diciplins that accept that climate changes but totally deny any man made or man fixed climate problem.

Al Gore was not that bad, but yes. He was wrong about how immediate the problem was. It is not a problem for me, it will be a problem for my children, and an even bigger one for my grandchildren.

And don't blame others if you do not know how to find a valid source. You should be asking how to do that. Here is what you need when someone claims to be an expert:

Go to Google Scholar. Enter their name into the search bar and see if they have peer reviewed articles at well respected professional journals in that topic. If they do you are good to go. It does not guarantee that they are correct, but it does show that they can at least properly support their arguments.

 

[JacksBratt]

Conspiracy theory ideas. Watched a video of a couple of guys flying round the world to prove it was flat. In passing the idea the government makes clouds to stop people realising the world is flat shows the type of crazy ideas that are so easy here.

The real world is full of people who experience life as it is and draw simple conclusions from their everyday experience and realise most things are simple and uncontrolled. The world being round is just one simple fact of navigation discovered by all captains of the sea, and the time to go round cape horn is a measurable distance as opposed to going through the suez canal. If the world was flat, it would soon become obvious when you take the projection of the round globe and flatten it. Put simply it costs a lot of money if the world was flat, which is a very big incentive to declare the layout correctly. Oddly for flat earthers, ships captains know the earth is round. Not something you miss.

One race that truly shows the world for the globe it is is the round the world yacht race which goes the to south of Africa and America as part of its route. For the flat earth model you are talking 4x the distance from the actual measured distance.

It would be impossible not to notice this reality.
So if the trip takes 2.5 months, you are talking instead taking 10 months. You would notice this kind of issue.

God bless you

I understand your view. I wish I could find the article that I had from before but it is increasingly hard to find anything that leans toward the FE model. I had an article that quoted sea fairing captains that had errors in their navigation when the curvature was factored in.

The FE movement of late has had a great effect on what you find when you search for such things.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I understand your view. I wish I could find the article that I had from before but it is increasingly hard to find anything that leans toward the FE model. I had an article that quoted sea fairing captains that had errors in their navigation when the curvature was factored in.

The FE movement of late has had a great effect on what you find when you search for such things.

Supposed errors of sea captains would not qualify as scientific evidence.

Can you name a Flat Earth model? What reasonable test could show that it is wrong?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Very good. You have your mind made up. Just like 100% of all the people that now believe in the FE. They stood right where you are now with the same belief.

My beliefs are based of facts. The same can't be said of FE.

 

[prodromos]

Hey, all I'm stating is actual events. You can speculate all you want. Operation High Jump, Operation Fish bowl.... all real events.

Dick Smith flying across Antarctica. Real event. Another real event, a couple of years ago two men crossed the Antarctic mainland via the South pole unaided in under 2 months. Colin O'Brady from USA and Louis Rudd from Britain both set out from Union glacier to the Ross ice shelf via the South Pole, each dragging a sled weighing nearly 400 pounds. To put that into a 'flat earth' perspective, they pulled all their supplies for the journey on a sled by foot from directly south of Brazil to directly south of New Zealand in 54 days, an utterly impossible feat on the flat earth. The actual distance they walked was a little under 1000 miles. How far is Brazil from New Zealand? The width of Australia is just under 2500 miles.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Dick Smith flying across Antarctica. Real event. Another real event, a couple of years ago two men crossed the Antarctic mainland via the South pole unaided in under 2 months. Colin O'Brady from USA and Louis Rudd from Britain both set out from Union glacier to the Ross ice shelf via the South Pole, each dragging a sled weighing nearly 400 pounds. To put that into a 'flat earth' perspective, they pulled all their supplies for the journey on a sled by foot from directly south of Brazil to directly south of New Zealand in 54 days, an utterly impossible feat on the flat earth. The actual distance they walked was a little under 1000 miles. How far is Brazil from New Zealand? The width of Australia is just under 2500 miles.

You will never defeat flerfers with logic or facts. Why they even care, I don't know.

 

[Acts2:38Apologetics]

For me it started with accepting first of all that the bible is the inerrant word of God. When i returned to the Lord, I had a real tangible experience. During that experience it was made clear to me that the bible is the absolute inerrant word of God and that he means what he says. I work for an engineering firm. I'm a civil drafter of 10 years. I accepted evolution, gosh, even my old church taught evolution. I accepted Charles Darwin, and a planet that was millions of years old.
Then i discovered the youtube channel "Is Genisis History" and other incredible channels that provided such incredible information, and i realized the bible is right, society is wrong, and the earth is young.

So that was the first thing.

Then the second thing was realizing we never went to the moon. I watched "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" and the sequel documentary "Astronauts gone wild" and after a lot of research i realized - we never went to the moon. I mean, who destroys the data and information on the single greatest achievement of mankind? And now, the next space adventure has been delayed because we haven't figured out how to get out of low orbit yet?

So, knowing that society told me earth was old, when it was young. And we went to the moon when we didn't. Why on earth should i believe them when they say its round? Sure there's some lovely CGI video's out there showing the view from earth all lit up at night etc, but I'd settle for ONE REAL unphotoshopped photo of earth from the hubble

I like to look at the various photos on NASA supposedly from hubble. Take for instance this image here: Hubble Space Telescope Images

I download it, put it into a program called GIMP (free download) and change the exposure on it and look what happens:

see the hand? And the camera? Its a photo of a model...

They're not actual photos How Fixing the Hubble Spacecraft Works

And we can say "Well thats OK, I get it, they need to apply a bit of artistic license" But where is the line between artistic license and flat out misrepresentation.

 

[Acts2:38Apologetics]

sorry just to add, i'm not suggesting the photo was taken BY the hubble, its a photo OF the hubble, but the comment still stands, 1/ its a photo of a model and 2/ the hubble doesn't take actual photos.

 

[Torah Keeper]

For me it started with accepting first of all that the bible is the inerrant word of God. When i returned to the Lord, I had a real tangible experience. During that experience it was made clear to me that the bible is the absolute inerrant word of God and that he means what he says. I work for an engineering firm. I'm a civil drafter of 10 years. I accepted evolution, gosh, even my old church taught evolution. I accepted Charles Darwin, and a planet that was millions of years old.
Then i discovered the youtube channel "Is Genisis History" and other incredible channels that provided such incredible information, and i realized the bible is right, society is wrong, and the earth is young.

So that was the first thing.

Then the second thing was realizing we never went to the moon. I watched "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" and the sequel documentary "Astronauts gone wild" and after a lot of research i realized - we never went to the moon. I mean, who destroys the data and information on the single greatest achievement of mankind? And now, the next space adventure has been delayed because we haven't figured out how to get out of low orbit yet?

So, knowing that society told me earth was old, when it was young. And we went to the moon when we didn't. Why on earth should i believe them when they say its round? Sure there's some lovely CGI video's out there showing the view from earth all lit up at night etc, but I'd settle for ONE REAL unphotoshopped photo of earth from the hubble

I like to look at the various photos on NASA supposedly from hubble. Take for instance this image here: Hubble Space Telescope Images
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I download it, put it into a program called GIMP (free download) and change the exposure on it and look what happens: View attachment 310939

see the hand? And the camera? Its a photo of a model...

They're not actual photos How Fixing the Hubble Spacecraft Works

And we can say "Well thats OK, I get it, they need to apply a bit of artistic license" But where is the line between artistic license and flat out misrepresentation.

Very good catch! I knew NASA and other agencies were scamming for tax dollars, but it seems even Hubble is fake! Or perhaps Hubble is real but they couldn't get a good photo of it? So they resorted to a model and hoped no one would notice?

Earth is round

 

[Subduction Zone]

For me it started with accepting first of all that the bible is the inerrant word of God. When i returned to the Lord, I had a real tangible experience. During that experience it was made clear to me that the bible is the absolute inerrant word of God and that he means what he says. I work for an engineering firm. I'm a civil drafter of 10 years. I accepted evolution, gosh, even my old church taught evolution. I accepted Charles Darwin, and a planet that was millions of years old.
Then i discovered the youtube channel "Is Genisis History" and other incredible channels that provided such incredible information, and i realized the bible is right, society is wrong, and the earth is young.

So that was the first thing.

Then the second thing was realizing we never went to the moon. I watched "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" and the sequel documentary "Astronauts gone wild" and after a lot of research i realized - we never went to the moon. I mean, who destroys the data and information on the single greatest achievement of mankind? And now, the next space adventure has been delayed because we haven't figured out how to get out of low orbit yet?

So, knowing that society told me earth was old, when it was young. And we went to the moon when we didn't. Why on earth should i believe them when they say its round? Sure there's some lovely CGI video's out there showing the view from earth all lit up at night etc, but I'd settle for ONE REAL unphotoshopped photo of earth from the hubble

I like to look at the various photos on NASA supposedly from hubble. Take for instance this image here: Hubble Space Telescope Images
View attachment 310938

I download it, put it into a program called GIMP (free download) and change the exposure on it and look what happens: View attachment 310939

see the hand? And the camera? Its a photo of a model...

They're not actual photos How Fixing the Hubble Spacecraft Works

And we can say "Well thats OK, I get it, they need to apply a bit of artistic license" But where is the line between artistic license and flat out misrepresentation.

There are Muslims that have just as valid a belief about their holy book as you have about yours.

There are Hindus that have just as valid of a belief about their holy book as yours.

The question is how does one support one's claims? If all one has Is a belief that is not knowledge. Knowledge is demonstrable. We know your literal approach to the Biblical is wrong because beliefs have consequences. We can test beliefs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

sorry just to add, i'm not suggesting the photo was taken BY the hubble, its a photo OF the hubble, but the comment still stands, 1/ its a photo of a model and 2/ the hubble doesn't take actual photos.

You would have to prove that claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For me it started with accepting first of all that the bible is the inerrant word of God. When i returned to the Lord, I had a real tangible experience. During that experience it was made clear to me that the bible is the absolute inerrant word of God and that he means what he says. I work for an engineering firm. I'm a civil drafter of 10 years. I accepted evolution, gosh, even my old church taught evolution. I accepted Charles Darwin, and a planet that was millions of years old.
Then i discovered the youtube channel "Is Genisis History" and other incredible channels that provided such incredible information, and i realized the bible is right, society is wrong, and the earth is young.

So that was the first thing.

Then the second thing was realizing we never went to the moon. I watched "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" and the sequel documentary "Astronauts gone wild" and after a lot of research i realized - we never went to the moon. I mean, who destroys the data and information on the single greatest achievement of mankind? And now, the next space adventure has been delayed because we haven't figured out how to get out of low orbit yet?

So, knowing that society told me earth was old, when it was young. And we went to the moon when we didn't. Why on earth should i believe them when they say its round? Sure there's some lovely CGI video's out there showing the view from earth all lit up at night etc, but I'd settle for ONE REAL unphotoshopped photo of earth from the hubble

I like to look at the various photos on NASA supposedly from hubble. Take for instance this image here: Hubble Space Telescope Images
View attachment 310938

I download it, put it into a program called GIMP (free download) and change the exposure on it and look what happens: View attachment 310939

see the hand? And the camera? Its a photo of a model...

They're not actual photos How Fixing the Hubble Spacecraft Works

And we can say "Well thats OK, I get it, they need to apply a bit of artistic license" But where is the line between artistic license and flat out misrepresentation.

No, the photo was taken from inside the space station. On a dark night look out of a window. Even with most of the lights turned off you will still see your reflection. The image shows the hands of the person taking the photograph.

 

[prodromos]

I like to look at the various photos on NASA supposedly from hubble. Take for instance this image here: Hubble Space Telescope Images
View attachment 310938

I download it, put it into a program called GIMP (free download) and change the exposure on it and look what happens: View attachment 310939

see the hand? And the camera? Its a photo of a model...

They're not actual photos How Fixing the Hubble Spacecraft Works

And we can say "Well thats OK, I get it, they need to apply a bit of artistic license" But where is the line between artistic license and flat out misrepresentation.

What you see is the reflection of the astronaut who took the photo on the inside of the window he took the picture from.

 

[prodromos]

I'd settle for ONE REAL unphotoshopped photo of earth from the hubble

The Hubble telescope orbits at around 540km altitude and has a field of view of 202 arc seconds. So if Hubble took a photo of the earth it would be of an area 530m x 530m, assuming there wasn't any cloud obscuring the view. You would simply dismiss it as an aerial photo taken from an aircraft.

 

[Acts2:38Apologetics]

No, the photo was taken from inside the space station. On a dark night look out of a window. Even with most of the lights turned off you will still see your reflection. The image shows the hands of the person taking the photograph.

Why does the hubble itself have a reflection?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why does the hubble itself have a reflection?

It doesn't. Well, the interior of the Hubble has a reflection because that is where took the picture from.

 

[prodromos]

Why does the hubble itself have a reflection?

Glass of the window is thick.