Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[JacksBratt]

Refraction.

Ah, there's the word... The word that solves everything for this issue.. However, it is empty and void of substance.

Refraction would change with temperature and humidity. It causes images to invert... It does not explain the true dimension and orientation of the topographical features shown in the visual reality of these photos and videos. They would be chance sightings..

So, I would disagree with your excuse.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, you don't want to explain why we can actually see things... in plain site that should be over the curve of the globe... if it is the size we are told?

You want to ignore these facts? I mean really.. If the ships go over the curve.. so be it.. But if they don't and are actually visible and can be photographed.. Or, mountain ranges, hundreds of miles away, are perfectly visible... and you want to say it's like the moon in the sky?

That's like seeing a moose walking across a lake, taking a picture of it and then someone denying it and saying that there are no moose here.

Who is denying facts now?

You are. Now some days we can "see to far". That is due to refraction, and you probably have observed refraction yourself, but not with the curve of the Earth.

But your claim of "mountains hundreds of miles away" does not seem to be valid. The longest sightline on Earth is 443 km or 275 miles. But you have probably never seen that. It is not evidence against the globe Earth since when one takes the elevations of the two points into consideration it is clearly possible using the standard globe model.

Flat Earthers cannot even explain sunset and sunrise.

 

[JacksBratt]

Flat earth believers go 'round' and 'round' trying to make the earth flat!

I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..

I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.

 

[JacksBratt]

Microwaves don't go far enough. If the earth was flat, you would not see microwave dishes all over the place. Microwaves simply head off into outer space because they travel perfectly straight.

From what I understand, the G5 internet is high frequency waves and due to this, needs repeaters very close together.
Microwaves don't go far because of the same reason... They are short distance waves. From what I understand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ah, there's the word... The word that solves everything for this issue.. However, it is empty and void of substance.

Refraction would change with temperature and humidity. It causes images to invert... It does not explain the true dimension and orientation of the topographical features shown in the visual reality of these photos and videos. They would be chance sightings..

So, I would disagree with your excuse.

It does for the odd exceptions such as the "Black Swan". The image used by Flat Earthers themselves clearly show the distortion that often accompanies refraction, since the atmosphere is not a perfect lens.
And no, refraction does not have to invert an image. It can invert an image and often does, but it does not have to. You are conflating the refraction from a lens with that of the atmosphere.

There are both inferior (inverted) and superior (non-inverted) mirages. A superior mirage stretches an object out visually:

Optical Phenomena

Please note, only some of the examples in that article involve the curve of the Earth. We also see this sort of mirage where the horizon is not involved.

 

[JacksBratt]

Ok. This proposition assumes that everything is being made up, while God's creation is a flat earth.
I 100% agree that we have to respond to what our senses tell us is true and real, or else we get very hurt and damaged. As a young child you soon learn the stairs looks very steep and you can fall down them even if you may think they are not there.

So because I am a weaker brother than yourself, please can you show me how I am going to discover the world is flat, when everything I know and experience tells me otherwise?

Unfortunately though I will see through other peoples eyes, if they are delusional, I have no choice but to conclude they are just delusional. Unfortunately delusions have a way of becoming more and more extreme, because nothing can stop them running away. God bless you

I have a question. What do you personally "experience" that proves or even suggests a globe sphere earth?

I cannot tell one way or another if it is flat or spherical and it would not affect my life in anyway if it was one and not the other.

So, what is your personal experience that suggests a globe?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..

I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.

It does not matter what you believe, what matters if what you can support by evidence. Most of the time Flat Earthers only demonstrate that at best they do not understand the evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have a question. What do you personally "experience" that proves or even suggests a globe sphere earth?

I cannot tell one way or another if it is flat or spherical and it would not affect my life in anyway if it was one and not the other.

So, what is your personal experience that suggests a globe?

Sunrise and sunset.

 

[Yttrium]

So, you don't want to explain why we can actually see things... in plain site that should be over the curve of the globe... if it is the size we are told?

You want to ignore these facts? I mean really.. If the ships go over the curve.. so be it.. But if they don't and are actually visible and can be photographed.. Or, mountain ranges, hundreds of miles away, are perfectly visible... and you want to say it's like the moon in the sky?

That's like seeing a moose walking across a lake, taking a picture of it and then someone denying it and saying that there are no moose here.

Who is denying facts now?

I'm not ignoring the facts. I know full well why we can sometimes see things over the curve (and certainly not always). Heat and atmosphere often cause refraction effects. It's optics. A science you want nothing to do with. So why do you ask about it, when you're just going to reject the answer?

I have a question. What do you personally "experience" that proves or even suggests a globe sphere earth?

For my part, I used to work in the satellite industry. I also was in involved in anti-satellite intelligence. That stuff don't work too good if the Earth is flat and covered by a dome, with a Sun and Moon that are really close.

 

[Lost4words]

I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..

I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.

Nothing wrong with scientific fact that the earth is a globe my friend.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

That poorly focused work does not disprove my photo. If anything it still confirms it. Do you see the cement supports? Those are all at the same height, but even in that terrible video we can see less and less of them in the distance as it goes over the curve. You only confirmed your loss.

You would need to find a better video.

I may deal with the rest of your fails in the morning. But right now you still have lost.

Sorry, no sale. The cement supports are clearly visible until they get too small and unfocussed, but you can still see their distinctive grey tone all the way the the far shore.

Here's another 1 minute vid that squashes it:

As I said, there are hundreds of vids around. You can try it yourself. Get a decent zoom camera and a tripod, find a local lake, use Google Earth to measure between 2 points with a landmark on one side (of which you can check the height), off you go, measure your tripod/ camera height, do some filming, run it through the earth curve calculator, and presto! standard GE disproven.

I've been involved in FE since 2012, and geocentrism since 2008. This has all been done to death.

Have a look at the Lake Balaton laser experiment, where laser light was visible at 40km from a height of 1.5m. It's a highly technical experiment and you'd do well to actually research this stuff rather than shooting your mouth off about some random photo plucked from Google images, just because you're too afraid to confront the possibility that you've been fooled all these years.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, no sale. The cement supports are clearly visible until they get too small and unfocussed, but you can still see their distinctive grey tone all the way the the far shore.

Here's another 1 minute vid that squashes it:

As I said, there are hundreds of vids around. You can try it yourself. Get a decent zoom camera and a tripod, find a local lake, use Google Earth to measure between 2 points with a landmark on one side (of which you can check the height), off you go, measure your tripod/ camera height, do some filming, run it through the earth curve calculator, and presto! standard GE disproven.

I've been involved in FE since 2012, and geocentrism since 2008. This has all been done to death.

Have a look at the Lake Balaton laser experiment, where laser light was visible at 40km from a height of 1.5m. It's a highly technical experiment and you'd do well to actually research this stuff rather than shooting your mouth off about some random photo plucked from Google images, just because you're too afraid to confront the possibility that you've been fooled all these years.

They are visible, but it also looks as if more of them are covered up by the horizon. It is still a fail for you.

And I will watch your videos as soon as you pay me to do so. The picture that I provided was far clearer than your video. It is the superior evidence.


If you cannot find something clearer than the picture that I provided you still lose.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

And I will watch your videos as soon as you pay me to do so.

Sure, and if I pay you enough you'll say anything I want. I get it. See you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure, and if I pay you enough you'll say anything I want. I get it. See you.

Videos often take too much time. I am not giving up my time for free.

The fact is that you still have no scientific evidence for your beliefs. You cannot even explain sunrise and sunset. Yet the globe model explains everything that we observe without contradiction. And your inability to understand refraction is not a contradiction.

 

[ewq1938]

Really working hard there brother, and I respect your efforts.

You completely sidestepped the scripture and meaning of "the face of the world" part of my post. Why?

 

[Aussie Pete]

I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..

I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.

Such as? Until the space age, there might have been a modicum of excuse in believing some variation on FE. Even then, mariners knew better. There is no Hebrew word for sphere, which is as good a reason as any as to why the earth is not so described.

 

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[Subduction Zone]

Such as? Until the space age, there might have been a modicum of excuse in believing some variation on FE. Even then, mariners knew better. There is no Hebrew word for sphere, which is as good a reason as any as to why the earth is not so described.

I am not so sure that most knew better back then. Many would may not have even asked the question. But just for fun let's assume that the writers of the Bible did not know any better and thought that the Earth was flat.

Does that change the message of the Bible one iota? I would not think so, but then I am not a Christian. But I think that the message would have been the same regardless of what one believed the shape of the Earth to be.

In other words Flat or Sphere is not a biblical topic. One should not refer to the Bible as an authority on this topic. One should refer to those that know how to measure the Earth. Guess what? It's a sphere.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Certainly, if you can't 'show me the curve', Biblically or empirically.

And, because we know its absolutely not in the Bible, falling back on observation and experiment, which are the best proofs, do you say, of GE?

There is no Hebrew word for sphere. There are enough proofs from observation, at least to convince the Greeks about 500 BC. I've seen the curvature effect documented by Greek sailors. I don't even have to be at sea (although I spent 3-1/2 years on a warship). I live near Port Philip, a bay roughly 70 km diameter. I can see Melbourne on a clear day. If I drive to a town further south, I can see only the top half of the taller buildings.
I also believe eyewitness accounts of people who have been in outer space. Chris Hadfield went around the globe over 2,000 times. I've had conversations with military pilots who also gave been around the globe.

If there was any point in people lying, I might have a reason to be sceptical. What is there to gain? I prefer to turn it around. FE people have to prove that the earth is flat. They cannot. Because it is not.

A Greek mathematician calculated the circumference of the earth within about 9 miles of it's actual measurement. That was in about 250 BC. The evidence for a globe earth is overwhelming.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

You completely sidestepped the scripture and meaning of "the face of the world" part of my post. Why?

I don't believe that's the case. As stated, the term 'face' is first used in relation to the face of the deep, the face of the waters. Face suggests a flat surface with features, which accords with other metaphors such as clay seal and earth with heavens stretched over like a tent. You're grasping at straws, my friend.

Bible teaches flat earth, period.