Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Lost4words]

Actually, there is interpretation and there is re-interpretation. A well-known Bible Scholar, Dr. Michael Heiser, ( PhD in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages) who though he embraces science, yet correctly teaches that the Bible teaches a 3-tier cosmology.

It's bad enough that CF pushes out those who still actually believe in the biblical 3-tier cosmology into this "conspiracy theories" forums. But to still come after people here shows you just want to mock and pick on people. You got your 99% of CF. Let people be here in the 1%.

There are 'Scholars' and there are scholars!

 

[Paul4JC]

I don't see a 3 tier cosmology in the Bible. There is earth(land), sea(ocean), sky(1st heaven), space(2nd heaven), Heaven(3rd heaven), Sheol(underworld), Tartarus(prison of demons), and Hell(lake of fire).

You could organize these into tiers if you want. But I see more than 3 here. If you divide the physical dimension from the spiritual, you get a 2 tiered cosmology. Sky and space are it for a strictly physical cosmology.

Sure and you could add tiers but there are three are primary realms or dimensions. sea and sky are part of earth. Tartarus, Gehenna, and Abyss are part of Sheol aka Hades. Where is space in the Bible?

So maybe it should be called three realm cosmology. A few related verses.

[Exo 20:4 ESV] 4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

[Job 26:5-6 ] "The dead are in deep anguish, those beneath the waters and all that live in them. 6 The realm of the dead (repha) is naked before God; Destruction (Abaddon) lies uncovered.

[Phl 2:10 NIV] 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

[Eph 4:8-9 NIV] 8 This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people." 9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions (Or the depths of the earth)? [Eph 4:10 ESV] 10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

[Rev 5:3, 13 NIV] 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. ... 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"

 

[LightLoveHope]

Actually, there is interpretation and there is re-interpretation. A well-known Bible Scholar, Dr. Michael Heiser, ( PhD in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages) who though he embraces science, yet correctly teaches that the Bible teaches a 3-tier cosmology.

It's bad enough that CF pushes out those who still actually believe in the biblical 3-tier cosmology into this "conspiracy theories" forums. But to still come after people here shows you just want to mock and pick on people. You got your 99% of CF. Let people be here in the 1%.

My answer to this is to watch the launch of the James Webb telescope and hopefully, God willing, its successful deployment. Everything about this project declares the earth is round going round the sun.
The position of orbit for the telescope is at L2, 4 times the distance of the moon from earth, where it will stay for at least 5 years.

If the earth was flat, none of this would work or be of any significance. And worldwide this is being broadcast. And whatever they discover as a result, will reflect Gods creation and His glory, whether these scientists know or believe something else. God bless you

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The earth is 71% water and it is NOT carbonated...
So.... it's flat....

You have an effervescent personality JB.

I might add, ball earth theory just doesn't hold water.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

One BIG question.

Why would God create ALL other planets etc 'Round' but create the earth flat as a pancake?

Why would the HS describe earth as a motionless plane set on foundations in the waters with a firmament above, and not a spinning space ball in the outer spiral arm of the Milky Way (beam me up Scotty)?

 

[SkyWriting]

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If the earth is a spinning water globe, then santa and elves are real.
So show me the real santa and i will believe the earth is a spinning water globe. Just have him (santa) come down my chimney, that is all the proof i need.

If you've ever seen a drop of water, then you know that water doesn't prefer to bead flat. This proves that even if the world was flat, it wouldn't be flat. It would at least be as curved as a drop of water is.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

If you've ever seen a drop of water, then you know that water doesn't prefer to bead flat. This proves that even if the world was flat, it wouldn't be flat.

So uh the oceans are a big water droplet?
Standing bodies of water lay flat and level.
That should be all the proof you need for FE.
Unless of course you can show experimentally how gravity curves large bodies of water.

 

[SkyWriting]

So uh the oceans are a big water droplet?
Standing bodies of water lay flat and level.
That should be all the proof you need for FE.
Unless of course you can show experimentally how gravity curves large bodies of water.

Droplets of water are a great example of how gravity is not strong enough to flatten water's desire to be round. Especially if you add drops together.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

My answer to this is to watch the launch of the James Webb telescope and hopefully, God willing, its successful deployment. Everything about this project declares the earth is round going round the sun.
The position of orbit for the telescope is at L2, 4 times the distance of the moon from earth, where it will stay for at least 5 years.

If the earth was flat, none of this would work or be of any significance. And worldwide this is being broadcast. And whatever they discover as a result, will reflect Gods creation and His glory, whether these scientists know or believe something else. God bless you

So what capacity do we have to independently verify this James Webb telescope, this JWT? Broadcast vision? Can we do a bit better than that please?

For instance, last time someone asked for the Apollo 11 validation, they were told 'We destroyed the tech, lost the telemetry and accidentally taped over the footage.' Don't know about you, but I find that less than inspiring of confidence in what you'd have to say is a fairly bold claim.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Droplets of water are a great example of how gravity is not strong enough to flatten water's desire to be round.

So what flattens the droplets in the ocean?

 

[SkyWriting]

So uh the oceans are a big water droplet?

Um...yes they are.

 

[SkyWriting]

So what flattens the droplets in the ocean?

Nothing. They are round in a very big ball.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Nothing. They are round in a very big ball.

If they were round droplets, there would be little sacs of air between them. They become the sea.

And if gravity can't even flatten a droplet, how can it be expected to curve an ocean?

 

[SkyWriting]

If they were round droplets, there would be little sacs of air between them. They become the sea.

And if gravity can't even flatten a droplet, how can it be expected to curve an ocean?

You can use the same instruments to measure the curve of a droplet and measure the curve of the ocean. You yourself can use the same tools.

If you have a water hose running from one side of a city block
accross to the other side of the city block
Then you add a "T" in the middle
then fill with water
then site along the top of the three hose openings
Then the three water levels will not line up straight across.
The middle one with be higher than the the two outside ones.

You can try this in the ocean or on land if that's easier.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

You can use the same instruments to measure the curve of a droplet and measure the curve of the ocean. You yourself can use the same tools.

What instrument measures the curve of droplets and oceans?

 

[SkyWriting]

What instrument measures the curve of droplets and oceans?

You get to pick the method.

But here is one idea:
4 minutes ago#114

 

[Shrewd Manager]

You get to pick the method.

But here is one idea:
4 minutes ago#114

Great, so water is the means, like a spirit level.
So how is that not an admission that water finds its level, just as bodies of water lie flat?

 

[JacksBratt]

If you've ever seen a drop of water, then you know that water doesn't prefer to bead flat. This proves that even if the world was flat, it wouldn't be flat. It would at least be as curved as a drop of water is.

What you are showing is science. Surface tension science and the difference between hydrophobic and hydrophilic.

The more hydrophobic the surface is, the more the droplet will look round. If the surface is hydrophilic, the droplet will be flatter and the angle of the droplet to the surface will change.

This has nothing to do with the surface of water as it exists in a body of water or on the earth.

This is surface tension physics.

 

[Lost4words]

Why would the HS describe earth as a motionless plane set on foundations in the waters with a firmament above, and not a spinning space ball in the outer spiral arm of the Milky Way (beam me up Scotty)?

Interpretation.

I dont see that as a flat earth.

 

[SkyWriting]

What you are showing is science. Surface tension science and the difference between hydrophobic and hydrophilic.

Now you are being mean. This is science.

Great, so water is the means, like a spirit level.
So how is that not an admission that water finds its level, just as bodies of water lie flat?

The middle "T" on the hose will be higher in your experiment which you can do.