Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[d taylor]

D taylor, I don't believe in flat Earth. But as a suggestion, I recommend you research small universe geocentricity. It is a much more plausible option and solves many of the problems present in both FE theory and in HC theory. All 3 theories have their problems, especially FE. And HC has Olber's Paradox, orbital mechanics balancing problems(which could be solved if Einstein hadn't abolished the aether), Airy's Failure, to name a few.

I'm really not certain what the truth is. I grew up on HC but as an adult I've kept an open mind and watched quite a bit about FE theory and GC theory, and Hollow Earth as well. At this point I lean towards a small universe, the aether exists, and light speed is not absolute but relative. I never understood how Einstein could say that even time is relative, but light isn't? All observed measurements on the speed of light only measure reflected light. Within Earth's gravitational and magnetic field. But does reflected light travel at the same speed as direct light? I doubt it. Think of a bullet that ricochets. And light is affected by gravity. So it could be possible that gravity(and possibly magnetism), can change the speed of light. There is even a theory that light travels at an infinite speed until it hits matter, after which it slows down and stabilizes at c.

The truth is we don't know everything and every theory has it's problems, some more than others.

It seems to me that the farther we get from Earth, the more time is distorted into impossibly long ages. There was a project to map the galaxies of the known universe. It revealed 7 concentric shells of galaxies with Earth in the center. Each shell corresponding to different colors of galaxies. There are gaps between each shell as well. However I think this discovery so startled and horrified atheists that the project was seemingly swept under the rug.

Keep searching for the truth but I do not think FE is the answer.

Concerning God's creation as for now The Bible is my go to source all else just simply comes from man. Who is very limited, actually they may know no more than Job. Who had no answers when God question him.

I would like to see a scientist in Jobs place, he would end up looking like a fool, with his science book and supposed answers.

 

[d taylor]

One BIG question.

Why would God create ALL other planets etc 'Round' but create the earth flat as a pancake?

As in a previous post i made Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

flat earth is actually a poor identifying term for God's creation. Because even though the surface is a plane/plain His creation is not flat like a pancake. Below the surface of the earth, the land/earth may go down for 100's + miles, so it is not flat.

That could be the reason that there is not a verse in The Bible stating God's creation is a flat earth/land.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Put flat Earthers on the ISS or a high-altitude plane, and they'll claim the view out the window is faked by computer graphics.

Kick them out of the plane and see what they have to say. With a parachute, of course.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Easiest proof of a curved earth is a lake of 3 miles cannot align a light beam one end to the other.
Without a curved earth this cannot be explained. Simple, and easy to prove, on any lake.

Yes. FE people will blame atmospherics or some other ridiculous idea.

 

[Lost4words]

As in a previous post i made Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

flat earth is actually a poor identifying term for God's creation. Because even though the surface is a plane/plain His creation is not flat like a pancake. Below the surface of the earth, the land/earth may go down for 100's + miles, so it is not flat.

That could be the reason that there is not a verse in The Bible stating God's creation is a flat earth/land.

Branson and Mr Amazon himself have shown the curve of the earth. More will see it as they venture into space.

 

[JacksBratt]

*sigh*. The fact that people have physically been around the globe numerous times means nothing to you? I've covered most of the globe myself by air and by sea. This is not a court of law, where the defence can throw up all kinds of objections. If it was, I suggest that the court would reject FE on the basis of the earth has been proven to be a sphere beyond reasonable doubt.

You can circumnavigate the FE model. This is not proving anything.

It just possible to see the curvature of the earth at around 35,000 feet. A passenger probably won't because there is not enough field of view. Military pilots routinely fly much higher and they will testify to what they see. The ISS is at 250 miles and the curvature is obvious. When I get my first $50 million, I'll hire a plane to fly a contingent of FE's around the globe. No doubt they'll still disbelieve, but at least I will have tried. It's a shame the Concord is not flying. It went high enough to see the curvature no problem.

Let me know when you get the 50 million. So far there are photos from 100,000 feet that are taken without a fish eye lens that show no curve.

Maybe, since we see too far and the curve is not actually visible until plus 100,000 feet, that the globe is way bigger.

 

[LightLoveHope]

As in a previous post i made Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

flat earth is actually a poor identifying term for God's creation. Because even though the surface is a plane/plain His creation is not flat like a pancake. Below the surface of the earth, the land/earth may go down for 100's + miles, so it is not flat.

That could be the reason that there is not a verse in The Bible stating God's creation is a flat earth/land.

I appreciate your faith in scripture and your interpretation of it.
The problem I have is SpaceX. Elon Musk has built a company on the basis massive rocket engines can blast satellites into earth obit to perform various roles from filming the earth for farmers, communication relays, gps systems. They spend $100 millions to do this, and they work. Our phones work off satellites flying round the world. The James Webb telescope costing $10 billion dollars is blasting off this week to take up a stationary orbit round earth and the sun, in a very unusual way, so it always faces away from the sun 24hrs a day while the earth revolves.

Now all this activity is based on the earth being a round planet going round the sun following very specific Newtonian gravity equations.

The problem I have is any book or author or person who says this is all wrong has to have a very good explanation because as far as facts go, the current science understanding is irrefutable. In truth everything is an empirical understanding, against which all other theories fail to explain or predict outcomes. When we have a theory that works, and shows how things are, that is truth as far as we know.

Factual emotional truth is our own personal understanding of truth. It defines how we emotionally react to the world and our lives. None of us lives in a complete dispassionate view of life, so we always have views that confirm things that may no be true as we think of them, but have truth embedded in their foundations. So God made the world and all that is in it. How and over which timeframes we do not know. Scientists present on a linear scale events in a scale and a linear timeframe as we perceive it today, which seems to contradict scripture. What they have discovered is superficially things appear solid, but in reality everything is made up of empty space, almost. Some go so far as to suggest we could be living in a simulation of the world, like we can create in computers, but more advanced.

What I have confidence in is what can be shown today, which can change your life or kill you. So flying in a jet at 30,000 ft is real, and falling to the ground from these heights does kill you. On this scale rockets, satellites, a round earth, climate control are real facts and unavoidable.

So here is my factual emotional truth and areas of compromise. Through it all I praise the Lord, and thank Him for His blessing and grace. God bless you

 

[Lost4words]

I appreciate your faith in scripture and your interpretation of it.
The problem I have is SpaceX. Elon Musk has built a company on the basis massive rocket engines can blast satellites into earth obit to perform various roles from filming the earth for farmers, communication relays, gps systems. They spend $100 millions to do this, and they work. Our phones work off satellites flying round the world. The James Webb telescope costing $10 billion dollars is blasting off this week to take up a stationary orbit round earth and the sun, in a very unusual way, so it always faces away from the sun 24hrs a day while the earth revolves.

Now all this activity is based on the earth being a round planet going round the sun following very specific Newtonian gravity equations.

The problem I have is any book or author or person who says this is all wrong has to have a very good explanation because as far as facts go, the current science understanding is irrefutable. In truth everything is an empirical understanding, against which all other theories fail to explain or predict outcomes. When we have a theory that works, and shows how things are, that is truth as far as we know.

Factual emotional truth is our own personal understanding of truth. It defines how we emotionally react to the world and our lives. None of us lives in a complete dispassionate view of life, so we always have views that confirm things that may no be true as we think of them, but have truth embedded in their foundations. So God made the world and all that is in it. How and over which timeframes we do not know. Scientists present on a linear scale events in a scale and a linear timeframe as we perceive it today, which seems to contradict scripture. What they have discovered is superficially things appear solid, but in reality everything is made up of empty space, almost. Some go so far as to suggest we could be living in a simulation of the world, like we can create in computers, but more advanced.

What I have confidence in is what can be shown today, which can change your life or kill you. So flying in a jet at 30,000 ft is real, and falling to the ground from these heights does kill you. On this scale rockets, satellites, a round earth, climate control are real facts and unavoidable.

So here is my factual emotional truth and areas of compromise. Through it all I praise the Lord, and thank Him for His blessing and grace. God bless you

Great post. Agree 100%

 

[d taylor]

I appreciate your faith in scripture and your interpretation of it.
The problem I have is SpaceX. Elon Musk has built a company on the basis massive rocket engines can blast satellites into earth obit to perform various roles from filming the earth for farmers, communication relays, gps systems. They spend $100 millions to do this, and they work. Our phones work off satellites flying round the world. The James Webb telescope costing $10 billion dollars is blasting off this week to take up a stationary orbit round earth and the sun, in a very unusual way, so it always faces away from the sun 24hrs a day while the earth revolves.

Now all this activity is based on the earth being a round planet going round the sun following very specific Newtonian gravity equations.

The problem I have is any book or author or person who says this is all wrong has to have a very good explanation because as far as facts go, the current science understanding is irrefutable. In truth everything is an empirical understanding, against which all other theories fail to explain or predict outcomes. When we have a theory that works, and shows how things are, that is truth as far as we know.

Factual emotional truth is our own personal understanding of truth. It defines how we emotionally react to the world and our lives. None of us lives in a complete dispassionate view of life, so we always have views that confirm things that may no be true as we think of them, but have truth embedded in their foundations. So God made the world and all that is in it. How and over which timeframes we do not know. Scientists present on a linear scale events in a scale and a linear timeframe as we perceive it today, which seems to contradict scripture. What they have discovered is superficially things appear solid, but in reality everything is made up of empty space, almost. Some go so far as to suggest we could be living in a simulation of the world, like we can create in computers, but more advanced.

What I have confidence in is what can be shown today, which can change your life or kill you. So flying in a jet at 30,000 ft is real, and falling to the ground from these heights does kill you. On this scale rockets, satellites, a round earth, climate control are real facts and unavoidable.

So here is my factual emotional truth and areas of compromise. Through it all I praise the Lord, and thank Him for His blessing and grace. God bless you

So rocket science has made The Bible, a book of creation misinformation.

That God really was not able to communicate to humanity, accurate creation information/descriptions, through the writers of The Tanakh and New Testament.

So that now because of science we now know what God created, because God was not able to communicate this through The Tanakh and New Testament writings.

I wonder then, is the information God gives us on how to receive His free gift of Eternal Life is accurate. or really any other area of The Bible.

 

[Lost4words]

So rocket science has made The Bible, a book of creation misinformation.

That God really was not able to communicate to humanity, accurate creation information/descriptions, through the writers of The Tanakh and New Testament.

So that now because of science we now know what God created, because God was not able to communicate this through The Tanakh and New Testament writings.

I wonder then, is the information God gives us on how to receive His free gift of Eternal Life is accurate. or really any other area of The Bible.

Its not what God has given us in his word that is the issue.

Its how people interpret God's word that is the problem. They read into and out of it what they want.

 

[d taylor]

The question for me is will believers lose rewards any at the judgment seat of The Messiah for having faith in science and a globe over The Bible and God's creation described in The Bible.

That is what i wonder how will this be judge or will it be judge. God is very gracious just not sure about this.

 

[Lost4words]

The question for me is will believers lose rewards any at the judgment seat of The Messiah for having faith in science and a globe over The Bible and God's creation described in The Bible.

That is what i wonder how will this be judge or will it be judge. God is very gracious just not sure about this.

Again, 'You' interpret God's word to say the earth is flat. I dont.

God gave us science remember. God gave man many skills and avenues to learn about His creation.

Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation.

The Bible is much more than just black and white!

 

[d taylor]

Again, 'You' interpret God's word to say the earth is flat. I dont.

God gave us science remember. God gave man many skills and avenues to learn about His creation.

Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation.

The Bible is much more than just black and white!

If God gave humanity science, why does science contradict God's creation in The Bible.

 

[Lost4words]

If God gave humanity science, why does science contradict God's creation in The Bible.

Not all science contradicts God's creation in the Bible though. There are scientists who truly believe in God's word.

Again, its all about interpretation. One can interpret the 6 day creation account absolutely literally or as an over view of how God created His earth etc.

The real faith is believing in God. In His creation.

The Bible can be interpreted in different ways. Just like you see a flat earth from scripture, where as i dont.

I used to believe in an old earth. These days i tend to go with a young earth. Why? Because of science. Science giving us solid evidence of how layers were quickly piled up during the flood etc.

Just like, science has proven, without any doubt, that the earth is a globe.

 

[Aussie Pete]

You can circumnavigate the FE model. This is not proving anything.


Let me know when you get the 50 million. So far there are photos from 100,000 feet that are taken without a fish eye lens that show no curve.

Maybe, since we see too far and the curve is not actually visible until plus 100,000 feet, that the globe is way bigger.

Maybe I'll start a gofundme. There must be millions of people who would love to put this issue to rest. I'll hire a U2 spy plane, good for 100,000 feet. I believe NASA has a couple kicking around.

The earth is 25,000 miles in circumference. 100,000 feet is less than 19 miles. I know that the earth is curved. I spent 3-1/2 years at sea. You can see the curve of the earth as other ships come over the horizon. The reason there is a horizon is that the earth is curved. So no, it's not flat. All our UHF aerials were as high up on the mast as possible. UHF is line of sight. Since the earth is curved, UHF just goes into space. So unless the aerials are line of sight, transmissions will not be received. That's why there are repeaters even on land with no hills. That's why UHF aerials are mounted on high buildings.

 

[d taylor]

Not all science contradicts God's creation in the Bible though. There are scientists who truly believe in God's word.

Again, its all about interpretation. One can interpret the 6 day creation account absolutely literally or as an over view of how God created His earth etc.

The real faith is believing in God. In His creation.

The Bible can be interpreted in different ways. Just like you see a flat earth from scripture, where as i dont.

I used to believe in an old earth. These days i tend to go with a young earth. Why? Because of science. Science giving us solid evidence of how layers were quickly piled up during the flood etc.

Just like, science has proven, without any doubt, that the earth is a globe.

My Bible interpretations are supported by other areas of The Bible.

Your Bible interpretations are supported by science.

I will stay with mine.

 

[Aussie Pete]

So rocket science has made The Bible, a book of creation misinformation.

That God really was not able to communicate to humanity, accurate creation information/descriptions, through the writers of The Tanakh and New Testament.

So that now because of science we now know what God created, because God was not able to communicate this through The Tanakh and New Testament writings.

I wonder then, is the information God gives us on how to receive His free gift of Eternal Life is accurate. or really any other area of The Bible.

The problem is neither God nor science in this instance. It is your interpretation that is at fault. God has communicated all that we need to know in order to know Him and His great salvation. Science is fallible, God is not. The vast majority of people, Christian and non Christian alike, know that the earth is a sphere. The reason? Because it is a sphere. If you read something else into God's word, then your understanding is flawed.

 

[d taylor]

The problem is neither God nor science in this instance. It is your interpretation that is at fault. God has communicated all that we need to know in order to know Him and His great salvation. Science is fallible, God is not. The vast majority of people, Christian and non Christian alike, know that the earth is a sphere. The reason? Because it is a sphere. If you read something else into God's word, then your understanding is flawed.

Prove it show me one place in The Bible where my interpretation is not supported by other areas of The Bible.

I will give you an easy one, try this verse
Genesis1:16 states the moon is a created light.

Show me in the Bible where Genesis 1:16 is not supported by other area/verses in The Bible.

 

[ewq1938]

Genesis1:16 states the moon is a created light.

Well, it is called a lesser light. Light does emanate from it but by reflection not because the moon generates it's own light. It doesn't. To think it does is to misunderstand that verse.

When the moon moves perfectly in front of the sun, it goes dark in that area of the world. That's because the moon cannot reflect the sun's light in that instance. I've seen this event happen and can attest it went dark but we could see the moon. The moon was dark. If it was a light source, it would have remained light.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Prove it show me one place in The Bible where my interpretation is not supported by other areas of The Bible.

I will give you an easy one, try this verse
Genesis1:16 states the moon is a created light.

So me in the Bible where Genesis 1:16 is not supported by other area/verses in The Bible.

I don't know the answer. We do know that things changed dramatically after the fall. I personally believe that the moon was always in a position to reflect the sun's light up until Noah's flood. There is a great deal that God has not revealed to us. The Bible is big enough as it is. If the earth was flat, why did God bother to have night and day? The sun could just as easily be at a fixed point above the earth and shone over the whole surface.