About Sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

No, it is quite clearly spelled out as six working days, then the weekly Sabbath. It is one of the appointed times.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.

No, your leaving out the contexts again which is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days which included God' 4th commandment as many Feast days went longer than 7 days. What your not considering is that God's 4th commandment is also outside of the annual Feast days and not linked to them but simply continue every seventh day of the week *Exodus 20:8-11.

Contexts and similar scripture references provided here...

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Similar references here...

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

wait for it back to the NEW...

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hope this is helpful

 

[tall73]

We therefore that believe enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath rest).

Heb 4:2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.
Heb 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Those in the wilderness did not enter that rest. But those who believe do. Those in the wilderness DID rest on the Sabbath day. It is not the Sabbath day that is in view. It is the "today" rest spoken of in Psalm 95.

And as for vs 9

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God
Heb 4:9 ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ.

It does not say "keep the Sabbath". It is anarthrous, not definite. It is "a sabbath rest".

And the context makes clear it is the rest of faith that the people in the wilderness--who were keeping the weekly--did not enter.

 

[tall73]

No, your leaving out the contexts again which is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days which included God' 4th commandment as many Feast days went longer than 7 days. What your not considering is that God's 4th commandment is also outside of the annual Feast days and not linked to them but simply continue every seventh day of the week *Exodus 20:8-11.

Contexts and similar scripture references provided here...

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Similar references here...

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

wait for it back to the NEW...

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hope this is helpful

I am not leaving out context at all. If you can't see it talking about six days of work it is because you don't want to. It references the weekly.

And the weekly WAS ceremonial, because it is an appointed time with sacrifices. So of course it lists them. So if you say "it can't be the Sabbath because it is talking about ceremonial"--yes, that is the point, It was an appointed time with sacrifices, a sign with Israel.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Heb 4:2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.
Heb 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Those in the wilderness did not enter that rest. But those who believe do. Those in the wilderness DID rest on the Sabbath day. It is not the Sabbath day that is in view. It is the "today" rest spoken of in Psalm 95.

No those in the wilderness kept the Sabbath but did not enter into God's rest that those who believe and follow God's Word enter into through faith.

WHAT IS GOD’S REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 4:1-5
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES OF HEBREWS 4:1-5 (exegesis)

NOTE: Context in Hebrews 4:1-5 is God's Rest from the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world (v4-5) and those who enter Gods rest by and believing and following Gods Word [the gospel] who enter into God's Sabbath rest as God did on the seventh day of the week. The context here defining God’s rest/My rest/His rest is to God’s seventh day Sabbath rest created at the foundation of the world that those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do or do not enter into.

The new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5.

There are two rests here. One is to the rest we enter into by believing and following Gods Word which is our rest and the rest we enter into by believing and following God’s Word to God’s rest which is the seventh day Sabbath. The other is God's rest in Hebrews 4:3-5 which defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day"). God's rest is the seventh day Sabbath according to the scriptures here.

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God
Heb 4:9 ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ. It does not say "keep the Sabbath". It is anarthrous, not definite. It is "a sabbath rest". And the context makes clear it is the rest of faith that the people in the wilderness--who were keeping the weekly--did not enter.

No, the literal Greek meaning of σαββατισμός means a Sabbath keeping through resting. Which is how the Sabbath is kept Holy *Genesis 2:1-4; Exodus 20:8-11. Your only providing half the Greek meaning. The full Greek definition of σαββατισμός has already been provided in post # 279 linked along with multiple Lexicons, Interlinear and Greek dictionary supporting references supplied. Your post here is repetition.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.” or in other translations "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God". In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Context of course is to the two rests of Hebrews 4:1-5

1, Our rest through believing and following God's Word (Hebrews 4:1-3)
2, God's rest (MY REST/HIS REST) finished from the foundation of the World the seventh day Sabbath (Hebrews 4:3-5).

We therefore that believe enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath rest).

 

[tall73]

No those in the wilderness kept the Sabbath but did not enter into God's rest that those who believe and follow God's Word enter into through faith.

Which is exactly what he is talking about, not the weekly Sabbath.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

I see you still didn't address the anarthrous use. There is no article.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I am not leaving out context at all. If you can't see it talking about six days of work it is because you don't want to. It references the weekly.

And the weekly WAS ceremonial, because it is an appointed time with sacrifices. So of course it lists them. So if you say "it can't be the Sabbath because it is talking about ceremonial"--yes, that is the point, It was an appointed time with sacrifices, a sign with Israel.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.

Context was supplied earlier in the post you were quoting from...

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

The context you left out shows that the topic of discussion in Ezekiel is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days which included God' 4th commandment as many Feast days went longer than 7 days. What your not considering is that God's 4th commandment is also outside of the annual Feast days and not linked to them but simply continue every seventh day of the week *Exodus 20:8-11.

This was already shown however in the post you were quoting from. I do not know how you missed it.

 

[tall73]

Context was supplied earlier in the post you were quoting from...

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

The context you left out shows that the topic of discussion in Ezekiel is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days which included God' 4th commandment as many Feast days went longer than 7 days. What your not considering is that God's 4th commandment is also outside of the annual Feast days and not linked to them but simply continue every seventh day of the week *Exodus 20:8-11.

This was already shown however in the post you were quoting from. I do not know how you missed it.

That was the text I posted to begin with. And the text after that spells out each of those and what they mean. And the weekly is included, which we know from "six days of work".

 

[BobRyan]

prodromos said: ↑
He is not arguing any such thing. All the above is covered by the commands to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself.

Adventists largely agree with that but say the Sabbath is "moral" because it is in the ten

As do Bible scholars in almost all major Christian denominations - as pointed out on page 1..

So in that case we have both sides of the Sabbath discussion agreeing on a basic Bible detail.

But by every measure it is ceremonial .

Not say you have to agree of course -- simply because Bible scholarship on both sides admit this Bible detail.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Which is exactly what he is talking about, not the weekly Sabbath.
I see you still didn't address the anarthrous use. There is no article.

Sorry both contexts, in Hebrews 4:1-5 disagree with you. This is repetition already addressed in post # 279 linked. Are you trying to say all those Greek references I provided got it wrong?

 

[tall73]

Sorry both contexts, in Hebrews 4:1-5 disagree with you. This is repetition already addressed in post # 279 linked. Are you trying to say all those Greek references I provided got it wrong?

I am trying to say you have not addressed the lack of the article. Are you going to?

 

[tall73]

As do Bible scholars in almost all major Christian denominations - as pointed out on page 1..

So in that case we have both sides of the Sabbath discussion agreeing on a basic Bible detail.



Not say you have to agree of course -- simply because Bible scholarship on both sides admit this Bible detail.

Argument by Moody, and Spurgeon?

If I were going to go by authority then the apostolic churches already corner that argument, and go with Sunday. So authority appeals are a non-starter for you.

 

[BobRyan]

He is not arguing any such thing. All the above is covered by the commands to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself.

1. Even The Orthodox church appears to endorse all ten - of the TEN commandments -
2. In Matt 22 Christ points to those two commands in the Law of Moses as being bedrock foundation for "all the Law and the Prophets"

Deut 6:5 - Love God with all your heart
Lev 19:18 - Love your neighbor as yourself.

Orthodox church

From The Longer Catechism of The Orthodox, Catholic, Eastern Church • Pravoslavieto.com

65. Where may we find the elements of the doctrine of charity?

In the Ten Commandments of the Law of God.

490. You said that these Commandments were given to the people of Israel: must we, then, also walk by them?

We must: for they are in substance the same law which, in the words of St. Paul, has been written in the hearts of all men, that all should walk by it.

491. Did Jesus Christ teach men to walk by the Ten Commandments?

He bade men, if they would attain to everlasting life, to keep the Commandments and taught us to understand and fulfill them more perfectly than had been done before he came. Matt xix. 17, and v.

On the Division of the Commandments into Two Tables.

492. What means the division of the Ten Commandments into two tables?

This: that they contain two kinds of love--love to God, and love to our neighbor; and prescribe two corresponding kinds of duties.

Notice that even the Orthodox church confesses "the TEN" -- not merely "NINE" and affirms that they are not "just for Jews" in it's explicit statement above.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That was the text I posted to begin with. And the text after that spells out each of those and what they mean. And the weekly is included, which we know from "six days of work".

It is context to what you were trying to argue that God's 4th commandment is to be abolished. Yet it shows it is talking about the ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" in the Feast days that is the context to the discussion and also subject matter that is being discussed.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

The context you left out shows that the topic of discussion in Ezekiel is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days. They are not references to God's 4th commandment being abolished.

As posted earlier the annual Feasts went longer than 7 days. What your not considering is that God's 4th commandment is also outside of the annual Feast days and not linked to them but simply continue every seventh day of the week *Exodus 20:8-11.

 

[BobRyan]

Argument by Moody, and Spurgeon?

If I were going to go by authority then the apostolic churches already corner that argument, and go with Sunday. So authority appeals are a non-starter for you.

Again - you missed the point.

When a bible detail is so glaringly obvious that Bible scholarship on BOTH sides of the debate admit to it in almost all Christian denominations - then you have the case where "it just does not get any easier than that".

It is not about "authority" it is about the measure of just how easy and obvious this Bible detail is for Bible scholarship on BOTH sides to see and admit to.

An objective measure that the anti-Sabbath posts have yet to approach.

 

[tall73]

It is context to what you were trying to argue that God's 4th commandment is to be abolished. Yet it shows it is talking about the ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" in the Feast days that is the context to the discussion and also subject matter that is being discussed.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

The context you left out shows that the topic of discussion in Ezekiel is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days. They are not references to God's 4th commandment being abolished.

As posted earlier the annual Feasts went longer than 7 days. What your not considering is that God's 4th commandment is also outside of the annual Feast days and not linked to them but simply continue every seventh day of the week *Exodus 20:8-11.

The bold text shows you it includes the weekly.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.

 

[tall73]

Again - you missed the point.

When a bible detail is so glaringly obvious that Bible scholarship on BOTH sides of the debate admit to it in almost all Christian denominations - then you have the case where "it just does not get any easier than that"

Then immediately recant your positions on hell, death, the sanctuary, etc. You know this is a silly argument for an Adventist to make.

 

[pasifika]

No it doesn't

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Is the literal meaning of Sabbatismos detailed response showing why in post # 267 linked already.

Hello LGW, if go to verse 5 (Hebrews 4:5)... says “ They shall never enter my Rest” this is reference to the 7th day in verse 4...So you cannot enter into Gods rest on a weekly basis..

so 7th day is not the day of rest for the people of God..

therefore, God set a certain day calling “Today” (Hebrews 4:7)..

Now you should understand why was a another day was given by God to enter into His Rest instead of sticking on the 7th day...

 

[BobRyan]

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

No doubts services were held on Sabbath in the OT just as "every Sabbath" both gentiles and Jews were hearing Gospel preaching in the Synagogue in Acts 18:4.

But the Sabbath was "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 according to Christ ... not "just the Jews".
The New Covenant is for all Heb 8:6-12 ... not "just the Jews".
Adam and Eve keep Sabbath on the 7th day in Gen 2:1-3 as that "mankind that was made" keeping the Sabbath that was made - Ex 20:11 as Bible scholarship on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic easily admit to.

 

[BobRyan]

Argument by Moody, and Spurgeon?

If I were going to go by authority then the apostolic churches already corner that argument, and go with Sunday. So authority appeals are a non-starter for you.

Again - you missed the point.

When a bible detail is so glaringly obvious that Bible scholarship on BOTH sides of the debate admit to it in almost all Christian denominations - then you have the case where "it just does not get any easier than that".

It is not about "authority" it is about the measure of just how easy and obvious this Bible detail is for Bible scholarship on BOTH sides to see and admit to.

An objective measure that the anti-Sabbath posts have yet to approach.

Then immediately recant your positions on hell, death, the sanctuary, etc.

why ? because "Bible scholarship on BOTH sides of each of those topics are in full agreement"???
(obviously not).

clearly You are still not following the point. How does that even happen! ??

You "appear" to be trying to spin the table around to present the same argument back - but in doing so you only show that you did not get the point to start with in order to turn it back around.

If you are saying what you appear be saying then ... "I find a certain paucity of logic in your statement"

And to keep doing that (failing to get the point of the argument) "is a silly argument for anyone to make".[/QUOTE]

 

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No doubts services were held on Sabbath in the OT just as "every Sabbath" both gentiles and Jews were hearing Gospel preaching in the Synagogue in Acts 18:4.

That was a listing of the appointed times, with the weekly Sabbath, and parallel to Colossians 2.

But the Sabbath was "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 according to Christ ... not "just the Jews".
The New Covenant is for all Heb 8:6-12 ... not "just the Jews".
Adam and Eve keep Sabbath on the 7th day in Gen 2:1-3 as that "mankind that was made" keeping the Sabbath that was made - Ex 20:11 as Bible scholarship on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic easily admit to.

The Sabbath was a sign with Israel, and no human is shown keeping it until Exodus 16.