Abortion

[Electric Sceptic]

Would You Recommend Abortion?

Author Unknown

1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending abortion?


2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The 1st is blind, the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?


3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married Her fiancée is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations: In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.


In the second case, you have just killed Beethoven.


In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great Black gospel singer.


If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared The murder of Jesus.


Submitted by Richard

Yeah, we've all seen that silly thing before. In all cases, I would recommend that the mother have the choice of whether to abort or not. Her body - her choice.

 

[Monica02]

Of course abortion should be illegal - it is the direct and intentional killing of an unborn child.

 

[jsw_24]

Her body - her choice.

Baby's body - baby's choice?

This topic will never have an answer to satisfy both parties. Never-ever-ever.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Obviously, it's not that simple, or there wouldn't be a debate, would there? It's not the killing of a living human - it's the killing of a potential human.

O.K. So then what is a human fetus? I chicken........I doubt it, it's human, and it's living, prove me wrong.

No, you did what you WANTed to do, and left the baby in you. Obviously, because if you WANTed to abort more than you WANTed not to, you would have done so.

That is false, I don't expect you to agree though so I won't waste time repeating myself.

I can easily think of one thing you wanted more - you wanted to not have an abortion. Obviously, or you would have done so.

That's not true.

No, like everybody, you only do things you want to do given your situation. I've no doubt you wanted not to be pregnant; but given that you were, you wanted to NOT have an abortion more than you wanted to have an abortion. Obviously.

And repeating yourself doesn't make it anyless false.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Baby's body - baby's choice?

This topic will never have an answer to satisfy both parties. Never-ever-ever.

Yes, and life should be considered over convienance, or depression.

 

[jsw_24]

Yes, and life should be considered over convienance, or depression.

Agreed.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Yeah, we've all seen that silly thing before. In all cases, I would recommend that the mother have the choice of whether to abort or not. Her body - her choice.

How did she aquire the body she lives in? By being born to her mother, and how did her mother aqiure the body......well, it all goes back to God, he gave life, it's not her body, and she profanes it.

 

[Seeking...]

How did she aquire the body she lives in? By being born to her mother, and how did her mother aqiure the body......well, it all goes back to God, he gave life, it's not her body, and she profanes it.

God gives us our bodies to do with what we will - what we choose. A woman's body belongs to her and to her alone, unless she agrees to share it within a committed relationship with another. Even then, it is a choice - no one can lay claim to her body over her objections. I see no profanity in it and if the Judeo/Christian God truly had a problem with it, I imagine that he would have stated so in the Bible since people have been performing abortions with herbal medicines and the like since the beginning of time...

 

[WhatIsTruth]

I love my gender and my ability to bear children. I have also been responsible enough to pick a decent man (read HUSBAND) who wouldn't run out. Many women pick losers to make babies with and should have known better. But many pick decent fathers that would like to have theri children born.

She had no problem getting something to squeeze in...why stress about it squeezing out?...

I thnk I knew from age 9 where babies come from.

I am actually a very jovial person thanks for the concern, though.

Oh good for you. The little Christian lady has a husband. You got a decent guy. Big frickin deal. People make mistakes...people don't always judge character correctly.

As for your little quip about things squeezing in and out, well I would have thought a good christian "lady" like yourself would "know better" than to make rude and rather crude comments like that. That was a poor attempt at sarcasm if anything. But I guess we can't all have tact can we?

Who cares at what age you knew where babies came from? Is this some sort of quiz of who knew sooner?

I really don't have concern for you or your so called "jovialness" ( I didn't realize that making comments like the one in this post was apart of being jovial but..) The only thing I'm concerned with is what exactly is your attitude/anger problem and why you feel the need to project your anger on everyone else on the board.

Try to have a nice day.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

God gives us our bodies to do with what we will - what we choose. A woman's body belongs to her and to her alone, unless she agrees to share it within a committed relationship with another. Even then, it is a choice - no one can lay claim to her body over her objections. I see no profanity in it and if the Judeo/Christian God truly had a problem with it, I imagine that he would have stated so in the Bible since people have been performing abortions with herbal medicines and the like since the beginning of time...

That's right He does, but the law is there to stop poeple from making harmful choices, abortion should carry the penalties as murder.

 

[WhatIsTruth]

Yes, and life should be considered over convienance, or depression.

I guess women who are predisposed to have severe Post-Partum Depression are just up a certain creek without a paddle.

What about those women? Should those women just keep having kid after kid untill she breaks, like that Yates woman?

Do you people EVER think of the woman's health or mental well-being? NO! And she's the one who has to CARRY the child in HER BODY!

All you think about is your damned political campaign. You make me sick.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

I guess women who are predisposed to have severe Post-Partum Depression are just up a certain creek without a paddle.

What about those women? Should those women just keep having kid after kid untill she breaks, like that Yates woman?

Do you people EVER think of the woman's health or mental well-being? NO! And she's the one who has to CARRY the child in HER BODY!

How do you know that I'm not one of those women? God pull's those who trust Him through hard times.

All you think about is your damned political campaign. You make me sick.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry it's not my intention to cause nasea to others......hahahahahahahaha.

 

[Seeking...]

That's right He does, but the law is there to stop poeple from making harmful choices, abortion should carry the penalties as murder.

But the God you believe in created no such law. The penalty for another causing a miscarriage is not the same as murder in the Bible. There isn't even a discussion of a woman ending her pregnancy herself - though the abortive properties of certain plants and whatnot have been known for many centuries. As a society, we don't recognize a non-viable baby as being a separate entity from the mother and she has the right to do with her body what she will. It is unlikely that an abortion will ever be seen as murder by the majority in a democracy.

 

[WhatIsTruth]

Oh..I forgot...you have to trust "him" to get any help.....

Sorry don't buy it.

You still don't answer why do you so called "pro-life" people think nothing of the health and TOTAL well-being of the mother...

 

[jesusfreak3786]

But the God you believe in created no such law. The penalty for another causing a miscarriage is not the same as murder in the Bible.

Yeah the bible never made a law against robbing convienance stores either, but I can't imagine you would disagree with that law, or any of the road laws of which none were mentioned in the bible.

There isn't even a discussion of a woman ending her pregnancy herself - though the abortive properties of certain plants and whatnot have been known for many centuries. As a society, we don't recognize a non-viable baby as being a separate entity from the mother and she has the right to do with her body what she will. It is unlikely that an abortion will ever be seen as murder by the majority in a democracy.

I hope your prediction is untrue, as it is the view on abortion is shameful.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Oh..I forgot...you have to trust "him" to get any help.....

Sorry don't buy it.

You still don't answer why do you so called "pro-life" people think nothing of the health and TOTAL well-being of the mother...

A choice is genrally made after weighing the pro's and con's I have chosen withen myself that the heaviest concern is that of the babies life. I have been thru severe depression, and anger related to a pregnancy, and that only further makes me feel the babies life is more important. I have one of the most beautiful daughters on the face of the planet, only because I knew abortion is wrong.

I'm sorry you don't buy it, it's He's the only way to life, and peace.

 

[Seeking...]

Yeah the bible never made a law against robbing convienance stores either, but I can't imagine you would disagree with that law, or any of the road laws of which none were mentioned in the bible..

The Bible does have the ten commandments though - and that covers stealing. It also states that Christians should obey the laws of their land, which covers the traffic & safety laws. My point is - if your rejection of abortion is based on religious grounds - I don't see where it is biblically supported.

I hope your prediction is untrue, as it is the view on abortion is shameful.

The problem as I have stated before is the venom on both sides which prohibits decent discussion. I can see ways to drastically reduce the #s of abortions, but some pro life supporters want it made patently illegal. While many Americans are disgusted with the idea of abortion for "convenience" - most of them want it available for medical neccisity, severe abnormality, rape and incest. If your belief is that it is never acceptable - how do you expect that we will ever resolve this?

 

[Fledge]

But the God you believe in created no such law. The penalty for another causing a miscarriage is not the same as murder in the Bible. There isn't even a discussion of a woman ending her pregnancy herself - though the abortive properties of certain plants and whatnot have been known for many centuries.

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I think this passage from Exodus 21 would imply that a child in the womb is fully as valuable as someone outside the womb. Still, please let me know your take on this...

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

 

[HouseApe]

I think this passage from Exodus 21 would imply that a child in the womb is fully as valuable as someone outside the womb. Still, please let me know your take on this...

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

That is difficult. One could look at it the way you have implied Fledge. Another might be to look at is as the parents being hurt, and requiring justice for their loss, as opposed to the fetus being considered as valuable as someone who has been born.

The tip-off to me here is the a judge requiring the offender to pay the parents money, as opposed to the offender being put to death as one would expect the penalty to be for killing a human who has been born.

I'm not sure what the whole "mischief" issue is. Maybe that is where an offender continues to hurt the mother? In which case he must be hurt in the way he has hurt the mother?

 

[]RiSeN[]

She still has control over her body when and after she chooses to share it. She is accepting the consequences. Every action creates a situation which will create a choice and another action. Pregnancy is a situation which can be resolved in multiple ways and abortion is one of them. The apparent difference between you and I is that you seem to consider human life to be of some great value in and of itself. I do not. I don't believe the fetus is being denied anything it has a right to.



True - but we don't take away people's rights for being unwise on occasion - otherwise, none of us would have any rights at all.

There are two consequences from sex,1: pleasure, 2: life. Dont tell me she is accepting the consequences when she clearly is choosing only the first even at the cost of destruction by avoidance of the second. When you accept you are conceeding to external influences and/or action. It is not based on your own ego.

ac·cept
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1. To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
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1. To select from a number of possible alternatives; decide on and pick out.
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'Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Abortion'. Theres only one of 2 choices, 'Pro-choice' is an attempt to masquerade the gruesomeness of the act since technically Pro-choice would be the slogan to encompass the question itself, not the position taken.