Abortion

[]RiSeN[]

And one of the ramifications is possible pregnancy. So what?

So... one needs to accept this possibility and be accountable if it happens. Not take the cowards way out with worthless excuses. If you werent willing to be responsible for all possibilies you shouldnt be playing with the fire ...in your crotch.

 

[]RiSeN[]

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

[Electric Sceptic]

All anyone trying to justify abortions has given on this thread are excuses, excuses backed by a selfish concern for ones precious self-centered comfort. Stop resisting and denying accountability for your actions people. Its called being an adult.

I've seen nobody deny accountability for their actions.

So... one needs to accept this possibility and be accountable if it happens. Not take the cowards way out with worthless excuses. If you werent willing to be responsible for all possibilies you shouldnt be playing with the fire in your crotch.

Of course one needs to accept this possibility and be accountable if it happens. One needs to do that with ALL their actions. The problem is that you don't recognise abortion as a viable way of dealing with unwanted pregnancy.

Actions have consequences. Sometimes those consequences are not desired - so we take steps to minimise the chances of those consequences happening. And if they happen despite our precautions, we deal with them. And one way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower

The problem is that you want everybody to place YOUR principles above everything else.

 

[Seeking...]

All anyone trying to justify abortions has given on this thread are excuses, excuses backed by a selfish concern for ones precious self-centered comfort. Stop resisting and denying accountability for your actions people. Its called being an adult.

Actually, many of us have given reason, philosophy, logic and our own belief systems to explain the reality of abortion to you. You, however, aren't interested - even when we run in circles with you and your arguements.

Yes - abortion is selfish, self-preservation is selfish and neccesary. I don't deny responsibility or accountability. I simply don't believe that anyone should ever have control over what a woman chooses to do with her body (the only allowance I would make would be for a fetus conceived in a relationship) - and as long as a fetus is not viable - it is a part of her body. I know it is a baby, I know it is human, and I know it is alive. But the reality is - it can't survive without the mother hosting it - and she should not be forced to.

I don't think anyone here has suggested that abortion is a wonderful thing. It is painful, ugly, selfish/self serving and occaisionally neccesary.

Why do you see having the child as always being the "adult" choice. I simply don't walk around with any illusions about this world. There are people with limited options who are merely making the best decisions they can.

 

[]RiSeN[]

I've seen nobody deny accountability for their actions.


Of course one needs to accept this possibility and be accountable if it happens. One needs to do that with ALL their actions. The problem is that you don't recognise abortion as a viable way of dealing with unwanted pregnancy.

(barring rape) Because it isnt a viable way of dealing with pregnancy. Just because the pregnancy is unwanted doesnt change the fact that it was brought upon by the individual in questions actions. Since it is 'unwanted' the choice to abort is based on a 'want', meaning personal preference. It does not encompass the true reality and all concerns of the situation as it is simply a choice dictated by ego.

 

[]RiSeN[]

The problem is that you want everybody to place YOUR principles above everything else.

Im suggesting to accomodate choices useing principles. You justify your arguments based soley on privilege.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

(barring rape) Because it isnt a viable way of dealing with pregnancy. Just because the pregnancy is unwanted doesnt change the fact that it was brought upon by the individual in questions actions. Since it is 'unwanted' the choice to abort is based on a 'want', meaning personal preference. It does not encompass the true reality and all concerns of the situation as it is simply a choice dictated by ego.

Of course it's a viable way of dealing with pregnancy. Look around you. It's being used as a viable way of dealing with pregnancy.

Of course the choice to abort is based on a 'want'. So is every other action in our lives.

Im suggesting to accomodate choices useing principles. You justify your arguments based soley on privilege.

No, you are advocating YOUR principles over anyone else's. You won't even admit that their principles count as such. But - in case you don't realise - the idea that a woman has a right to abort is a PRINCIPLE.

 

[]RiSeN[]

Actually, many of us have given reason, philosophy, logic and our own belief systems to explain the reality of abortion to you. You, however, aren't interested - even when we run in circles with you and your arguements.

Yes - abortion is selfish, self-preservation is selfish and neccesary. I don't deny responsibility or accountability. I simply don't believe that anyone should ever have control over what a woman chooses to do with her body (the only allowance I would make would be for a fetus conceived in a relationship) - and as long as a fetus is not viable - it is a part of her body. I know it is a baby, I know it is human, and I know it is alive. But the reality is - it can't survive without the mother hosting it - and she should not be forced to.

Your right no one should have to force her, she should have the decency to accept the consequences her choices have led her to, a life is in the balance. The woman had control over her body right up to the point where she decided to share it.

I don't think anyone here has suggested that abortion is a wonderful thing. It is painful, ugly, selfish/self serving and occaisionally neccesary.

Why do you see having the child as always being the "adult" choice. I simply don't walk around with any illusions about this world. There are people with limited options who are merely making the best decisions they can.

There decision making ability is suspect, since it has brought them to the predicament in question.

 

[]RiSeN[]

Of course the choice to abort is based on a 'want'. So is every other action in our lives.

Enter morality.

No, you are advocating YOUR principles over anyone else's. You won't even admit that their principles count as such. But - in case you don't realise - the idea that a woman has a right to abort is a PRINCIPLE.

If its her RIGHT, then its a choice she is privileged to.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Enter morality.


If its her RIGHT, then its a choice she is privileged to.

Yes, of course. So what?

 

[]RiSeN[]

Yes, of course. So what?

Your trying to mask privilege as principle.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Your trying to mask privilege as principle.

No, I'm not. They are clearly different. The PRINCIPLE is that a woman has a right to an abortion. The PRIVILEGE is that she is physically able to obtain one.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Of course it's a viable way of dealing with pregnancy. Look around you. It's being used as a viable way of dealing with pregnancy.

Yeah, just like genocide, and murder is a viable way to deal with unwanted poeple.

Of course the choice to abort is based on a 'want'. So is every other action in our lives.

I hope your not speaking for me. I didn't want to be pregnant with my second daughter, in fact the situation with my ex would probably classify as unconsentual, something I would rather not exentuate. Even though I didn't want to have the baby inside of me, I did anyways, because abortion is murdering your own child, and thats out of the question. I will never regret it.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Yeah, just like genocide, and murder is a viable way to deal with unwanted poeple.

No, not 'just like' that.

I hope your not speaking for me. I didn't want to be pregnant with my second daughter, in fact the situation with my ex would probably classify as unconsentual, something I would rather not exentuate. Even though I didn't want to have the baby inside of me, I did anyways, because abortion is murdering your own child, and thats out of the question. I will never regret it.

Of course I'm speaking for you. You carried the child to term because you WANTed to not have an abortion.

 

[]RiSeN[]

No, I'm not. They are clearly different. The PRINCIPLE is that a woman has a right to an abortion. The PRIVILEGE is that she is physically able to obtain one.

This is not the application warranted, neither by me nor Mr. Eisenhower.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

This is not the application warranted, neither by me nor Mr. Eisenhower.

Sorry, that's what the words mean. Take it up with Webster's.

And how do you know what Mr Eisenhower meant?

 

[U R my Sonshine]

All anyone trying to justify abortions has given on this thread are excuses, excuses backed by a selfish concern for ones precious self-centered comfort. Stop resisting and denying accountability for your actions people. Its called being an adult.

Absolutely. Everything has consequences. Abortion is avoiding consequences and is at best a lazy cop out. At worst murder. I second that...GROW UP PEOPLE.

I hesitate to sound too judgemental because I have met and read about some ladies who would take it back if they could. They were truly remorseful and went so far as to celebrating thier childs "would have been birthday". These women need no more judgement passed on them. But the other women who have abortions and have no conscience....they need a hefty dose of reality. Keep your legs closed or use BC. If you fail to do that and fall pregnant...step up to the plate and take responsibility for your actions. We teach our children as much. You'd think the adults could follow the same logic.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Absolutely. Everything has consequences. Abortion is avoiding consequences and is at best a lazy cop out. At worst murder. I second that...GROW UP PEOPLE.

No, abortion is dealing with a consequence. Nor is it murder.

Should I say something about people who don't think a consequence is dealt with unless you deal with it THEIR way? And then should I add GROW UP PEOPLE?

But the other women who have abortions and have no conscience....they need a hefty dose of reality.

You mean the women whose consciences guide them differently to YOU.

Keep your legs closed or use BC. If you fail to do that and fall pregnant...step up to the plate and take responsibility for your actions. We teach our children as much. You'd think the adults could follow the same logic.

They do. They take responsibility for their actions by ending their pregnancy.

 

[peepnklown]

Analogies are usually on different subjects.

Right, but when debating flawed analogies need not apply.

Premy babies can survive given proper medical attention.

Do you think they would survive without human intervention?

Abortion should be illegal.

Why…because your religions says so? Do you believe that your beliefs should rule all?