Abortion

[Cheli]

Being shot can be applied to all. The intrecacies and details of each womans personal life can not be painted to anyone else. Each situation is different, therefor you cannot apply your analogy. Being shot is a certainty, the future and outcome of the mothers life is not.

The point wasn't about certainty. If you've never been shot in the foot you cannot be 100% sure that it will hurt you as you have had no previous experience. However, you avoid being shot in the foot because you are fairly certain that it will hurt. The same can be applied to women who abort on the grounds that childbirth and/or motherhood will harm them physically and/or mentally. I am just as sure that motherhood would cause me great mental harm as I am that being shot in the foot would hurt me.

 

[]RiSeN[]

The point wasn't about certainty. If you've never been shot in the foot you cannot be 100% sure that it will hurt you as you have had no previous experience. However, you avoid being shot in the foot because you are fairly certain that it will hurt. The same can be applied to women who abort on the grounds that childbirth and/or motherhood will harm them physically and/or mentally. I am just as sure that motherhood would cause me great mental harm as I am that being shot in the foot would hurt me.

The point is about certainty since you DO NOT know what having the child will REALLY entail because you have not done it. Having the child might turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to you, but the point is you dont know, so you cant say that you do.

 

[Cheli]

you DO NOT know what having the child will REALLY entail because you have not done it. Having the child might turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to you,

You're not getting it. I am just as sure that having a child would be the worst thing that could happen to me as I am that being shot in the foot would hurt

 

[.Mikha'el.]

No, wrong. Murder is one a human kills another person illegally.

No. Wrong. Murder is the taking of another person's life without his or her permission to do so.

 

[southernmissfan]

who thinks that abortion should be leagle cause i don't

You can be pro-life and pro-choice. I oppose abortion personally, but I realise that making it illegal is not going to solve the problem.

Through effective sex education, more readily and easily available birth control/contraceptives/etc., improved adoption system, and overall better social services, abortion could be greatly reduced. Banning abortion will not stop it, and will lead to even greater health risks.

It's also odd that the same people who oppose abortion also support "abstinence only" education and oppose birth control, contraceptives, etc. Do they not realise that this only causes more abortions, including the coat hanger, 'do it yourself' kind?

We should be doing what we can to prevent abortions, not sending them to the back alleys.

 

[Nymphalidae]

You can be pro-life and pro-choice. I oppose abortion personally, but I realise that making it illegal is not going to solve the problem.

Through effective sex education, more readily and easily available birth control/contraceptives/etc., improved adoption system, and overall better social services, abortion could be greatly reduced. Banning abortion will not stop it, and will lead to even greater health risks.

It's also odd that the same people who oppose abortion also support "abstinence only" education and oppose birth control, contraceptives, etc. Do they not realise that this only causes more abortions, including the coat hanger, 'do it yourself' kind?

We should be doing what we can to prevent abortions, not sending them to the back alleys.

That was well thought out and well-written. I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

No. Wrong. Murder is the taking of another person's life without his or her permission to do so.

Sorry, but wrong. There is no legislation which changes murder into something else if the victim consented.

 

[lawtonfogle]

true, even taking your own life (which definitly requires your permission) is illegal.

 

[In A Perfect World]

Sorry, but wrong. There is no legislation which changes murder into something else if the victim consented.

I doubt it could be murder. Any defense attorney could win an appeal. Murdr is defined by dictionaries as:

murder



• noun 1 the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another.

I think the general charge for those who asist in suicide are charged with "assisting in suicide" or "manslaughter"

 

[.Mikha'el.]

Sorry, but wrong. There is no legislation which changes murder into something else if the victim consented.

As noted in a subsequent post, it is unlikely that the term murder will be applied by the media and the public to situations such as assisted suicide in the debate about whether abortion constitutes murder.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

Sorry, but wrong. There is no legislation which changes murder into something else if the victim consented.

Here is another definition I found.

murder
v. tr.

2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Here is another definition I found.

murder
v. tr.

2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.

Yes, that's very nice...'murder' has a number of 'loose' definitions. One football team can 'murder' another, I can 'murder' a steak dinner...but we're not talking about those. We're talking about the legal definition of 'murder' (or at least I was), and that means for one person to unlawfully kill another.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

It's also odd that the same people who oppose abortion also support "abstinence only" education and oppose birth control, contraceptives, etc.

I am sure you are referring to Catholics. Basically, what you have done is mischaracterize the Catholic perspective as being the view of Christians as whole. Just as there are a wide varity of opinions on the subject of contraceptives in society as a whole, the same is true within the Christian community. Many Christians have absolutely no problems with the idea of using birth control.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

Yes, that's very nice...'murder' has a number of 'loose' definitions. One football team can 'murder' another, I can 'murder' a steak dinner...but we're not talking about those. We're talking about the legal definition of 'murder' (or at least I was), and that means for one person to unlawfully kill another.

Yes, but is your definition of murder the only legitmate one? I think not.

 

[Âme douce]

Somebody might shoot you in the foot. In all probability it will hurt, but because you have never been shot in the foot, you cannot be certain that it will hurt. However, you know your own body and can safely say that it will indeed hurt. In the same way, a woman knows if she is not capable of enduring the consequences of motherhood and/or chilbirth (which can be infinitely worse than being shot in the foot).

NOT really...there are epidurals...then adoption.

 

[Cheli]

NOT really...there are epidurals...then adoption.

You can't have an epidural before contractions start, so all childbirth requires the feeling of some pain. And don't you think the trauma of going through labour is bad enough anyway? Not to mention life-threatening even if there are no complications.

As for adoption......It was still be exceedingly detrimental to my mental health if I was forced to carry a pregnancy to term regardless of whether or not I was going to give it up.

 

[southernmissfan]

I am sure you are referring to Catholics. Basically, what you have done is mischaracterize the Catholic perspective as being the view of Christians as whole. Just as there are a wide varity of opinions on the subject of contraceptives in society as a whole, the same is true within the Christian community. Many Christians have absolutely no problems with the idea of using birth control.

Yes, you're right. I should have clarified that. What I meant was that the same people who oppose birth control, contraceptives, etc., also oppose abortion.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

Thanks for correcting yourself.