Abortion

[U R my Sonshine]

Do you think they would survive without human intervention?

This is the most assinine logic. My 10 month old wouldn't surivive if there wasn't "intervention". What is she going to do...go make herself lunch???

This once again proves that some of these adamant pro-choicers would just as soon "off" thier toddlers when they became "inconvenient" If it were *legal*. A bunch of Susan Smiths that happen to obey the law because they don't want to be in jail. If it were legal you can bet they'd do it.

Why…because your religions says so? Do you believe that your beliefs should rule all?

Obviously you believe yours should...so yeah...we'll air on the side of giving the kid a chance...yeah.

 

[peepnklown]

This is the most assinine logic. My 10 month old wouldn't surivive if there wasn't "intervention". What is she going to do...go make herself lunch??? [/size][/font]

This once again proves that some of these adamant pro-choicers would just as soon "off" thier toddlers when they became "inconvenient" If it were *legal*. A bunch of Susan Smiths that happen to obey the law because they don't want to be in jail. If it were legal you can bet they'd do it.




Obviously you believe yours should...so yeah...we'll air on the side of giving the kid a chance...yeah.

I really think you should look up the word “question” in the dictionary.

I wasn’t giving an opinion or making a statement.

I was asking a question.

A simple question proves nothing about the opinions of a group.

I would also look up “hasty generalization” also.

Your statement is nothing more than an assault by assumption.



I obviously?

You should really stop assuming everything.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

I really think you should look up the word “question” in the dictionary.

I wasn’t giving an opinion or making a statement.

I was asking a question.

A simple question proves nothing about the opinions of a group.

I would also look up “hasty generalization” also.

Your statement is nothing more than an assault by assumption.



I obviously?

You should really stop assuming everything.

Hit a nerve??

 

[peepnklown]

Hit a nerve??

If the structure of debate had a nerve then you probably hit it.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

 

[Electric Sceptic]

some of these adamant pro-choicers would just as soon "off" thier toddlers when they became "inconvenient" If it were *legal*. A bunch of Susan Smiths that happen to obey the law because they don't want to be in jail. If it were legal you can bet they'd do it.

I have no patience at all for this sort of tactic - the old "if you hold X opinion, then you must also hold Y opinion" (where Y is something that virtually everyone finds abhorrent). It's dishonest, insulting, and harmful to real debate.

Perhaps I should have a try...If you're Christian, you obviously support the Crusades and the Inquisition and would like every non-Christian on the planet put to death.

Hmm...nope, it sounds just as stupid when I do it.

 

[peepnklown]

Electric Sceptic

Exactly…

 

[U R my Sonshine]

I have no patience at all for this sort of tactic - the old "if you hold X opinion, then you must also hold Y opinion" (where Y is something that virtually everyone finds abhorrent). It's dishonest, insulting, and harmful to real debate.

Perhaps I should have a try...If you're Christian, you obviously support the Crusades and the Inquisition and would like every non-Christian on the planet put to death.

Hmm...nope, it sounds just as stupid when I do it.

See, I don't think so. I think many pro choicers would in fact see no issue with the above senario if it were legal. I think it is a disrespect for anything that is "unwanted" and it is by no means sweepiing. There are women who have had abortions and been very emotionally damaged by them and love the children they later come to bear. However, these yahoos that stand picketing for "pro-choice" have a disprespect for life. They know, and I know it and if it were "politically correct" and legal I truly think they'd support those who chose to commit infanticide. But no...those ladies who put their babies in trash cans go to jail...and are shunned. It is no different, but I wouldn't expect anyone who doesn't have some regard for life to grasp this concept.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

See, I don't think so. I think many pro choicers would in fact see no issue with the above senario if it were legal. I think it is a disrespect for anything that is "unwanted" and it is by no means sweepiing. There are women who have had abortions and been very emotionally damaged by them and love the children they later come to bear. However, these yahoos that stand picketing for "pro-choice" have a disprespect for life. They know, and I know it and if it were "politically correct" and legal I truly think they'd support those who chose to commit infanticide. But no...those ladies who put their babies in trash cans go to jail...and are shunned. It is no different, but I wouldn't expect anyone who doesn't have some regard for life to grasp this concept.

Might be the worst post I've seen on these forums. Making ridiculous and insulting charges against a group of people who hold different beliefs to you, claiming those who are pro-choice have a 'disrespect for life'. That's simply a lie, and it's a lie for which you cannot offer the slightest support. And you finish it off with "and if you don't agree with me, you don't have any regard for life either". Absolutely deplorable.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Might be the worst post I've seen on these forums. Making ridiculous and insulting charges against a group of people who hold different beliefs to you, claiming those who are pro-choice have a 'disrespect for life'. That's simply a lie, and it's a lie for which you cannot offer the slightest support. And you finish it off with "and if you don't agree with me, you don't have any regard for life either". Absolutely deplorable.

Well, I am not the one supporting abortion. Why don't they say pro-abortion? Why do they call it pro-choice? Becasue it sounds as awful as it is. And you can support that they do respect life? Naw....didn't think so.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Well, I am not the one supporting abortion. Why don't they say pro-abortion? Why do they call it pro-choice? Becasue it sounds as awful as it is. And you can support that they do respect life? Naw....didn't think so.

They don't say pro-abortion because they're not pro-abortion. They're pro-choice. Get it? They are in favour of the woman having a choice. Not in favour of her having an abortion; in favour of her having the choice to have an abortion if SHE chooses it. I can easily support that they respect life. They respect it so much they want a woman to have a choice whether or not she bears a child. Your ridiculous allegations help neither side in the debate.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

They don't say pro-abortion because they're not pro-abortion. They're pro-choice. Get it? They are in favour of the woman having a choice. Not in favour of her having an abortion; in favour of her having the choice to have an abortion if SHE chooses it. I can easily support that they respect life. They respect it so much they want a woman to have a choice whether or not she bears a child. Your ridiculous allegations help neither side in the debate.

And as long as there are two "sides" neither side will be helped. Especially not the babies. In your narrow minded take on this the woman is the ony one who counts. Not the other two parties. The child and the father. Whos protects them? ....oh that is right...no one because it is a "womans choice". Which is easier? Choosing to use birth control or choosing to have an abortion? Hmmmm? It is called planning ahead and being a responsible adult. Don't let it happen if you don't want a child. If it does happen deal with the pregnancy and subsequent child. Choice made. Such a no-brainer.

 

[Cheli]

In your narrow minded take on this the woman is the ony one who counts. Not the other two parties. The child and the father. Whos protects them? ....oh that is right...no one because it is a "womans choice".

The woman is the one who has to go through nine months of life-threatening pregnancy, which is at the very least uncomfortable. The woman is the one who has to endure hours of life-threatening labour and/or life-threatening sugery. The woman is the one who hs to endure the physical brunt after the birth. So excuse the hell out of us if we think she should be the one who gets to make the ultimate choice.

Choosing to use birth control or choosing to have an abortion? Hmmmm? It is called planning ahead and being a responsible adult. Don't let it happen if you don't want a child. If it does happen deal with the pregnancy and subsequent child. Choice made. Such a no-brainer.

It's more complex than that. This isn't a black and white argument. What about rape? The woman didnt have the chance to be responsible and use birth control in that situation, did she? So maybe the responsilbe choice for her would be to have an abortion. Responsibility does not equate solely to having the child. Responsibility is taking ontrol of your life, weighing up the options and making an informed decision. If that decision does not match YOUR idea of responsibilty so what? YOU ar not the authority on responsibility and no-one has to answer to YOUR beliefs.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

No, not 'just like' that.

And in what way? All three are the killing of an unwanted living human, it's that simple

Of course I'm speaking for you. You carried the child to term because you WANTed to not have an abortion.

No, how could you know? I didn't want the baby in me....at all, I knew abortion was an option, and to tell you the truth it was a tempting one, but I did what I DIDN'T want to do, and I left the baby in me, because abortion is murder. I can't think of one thing in life that I want more than to leave for Canada, and not come back, but I do, what I don't want, in staying here, because it would be a legal bind to do it. I do things I don't want to do, and I don't do things I want to do, and thank God for it, a lot of the things I, and many poeple want would hurt other poeple. Like abortion.

 

[Seeking...]

Your right no one should have to force her, she should have the decency to accept the consequences her choices have led her to, a life is in the balance. The woman had control over her body right up to the point where she decided to share it.

She still has control over her body when and after she chooses to share it. She is accepting the consequences. Every action creates a situation which will create a choice and another action. Pregnancy is a situation which can be resolved in multiple ways and abortion is one of them. The apparent difference between you and I is that you seem to consider human life to be of some great value in and of itself. I do not. I don't believe the fetus is being denied anything it has a right to.

There decision making ability is suspect, since it has brought them to the predicament in question.

True - but we don't take away people's rights for being unwise on occasion - otherwise, none of us would have any rights at all.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

The woman is the one who has to go through nine months of life-threatening pregnancy, which is at the very least uncomfortable. The woman is the one who has to endure hours of life-threatening labour and/or life-threatening sugery. The woman is the one who hs to endure the physical brunt after the birth. So excuse the hell out of us if we think she should be the one who gets to make the ultimate choice.

It's more complex than that. This isn't a black and white argument. What about rape? The woman didnt have the chance to be responsible and use birth control in that situation, did she? So maybe the responsilbe choice for her would be to have an abortion. Responsibility does not equate solely to having the child. Responsibility is taking ontrol of your life, weighing up the options and making an informed decision. If that decision does not match YOUR idea of responsibilty so what? YOU ar not the authority on responsibility and no-one has to answer to YOUR beliefs.

Oh yeah...like that tired old argument is going to change my mind or even make it okay to have an abortion. Wrong is wrong no matter what arguement the selfish party decides to use

 

[jsw_24]

Let's just have the kids. Let them grow up. Educate them. Then ask them if they want to die now. Problem solved.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

And as long as there are two "sides" neither side will be helped.

There will always be two sides. That's what happens when people diametrically disagree.

Especially not the babies.

There are no babies. There are fetuses. Potential babies.

In your narrow minded take on this the woman is the ony one who counts. Not the other two parties. The child and the father. Whos protects them? ....oh that is right...no one because it is a "womans choice".

Yes, in my view (calling it 'narrow-minded' helps nothing - I could as easily call yours narrow-minded - what's the point? How about we discuss it without loaded terms?) the woman is the only one who counts. It's her body. She gets to choose whether it is used for nine months. There is no child. There is a fetus.

Which is easier? Choosing to use birth control or choosing to have an abortion? Hmmmm?

Choosing to use birth control. Unfortunately, birth control sometimes fails, and sometimes (largely due to the religious right) contraception isn't available.

It is called planning ahead and being a responsible adult. Don't let it happen if you don't want a child. If it does happen deal with the pregnancy and subsequent child. Choice made. Such a no-brainer.

If it does happen, they DO deal with the pregnancy. They terminate it. Choice made. Such a no-brainer.

Oh yeah...like that tired old argument is going to change my mind or even make it okay to have an abortion. Wrong is wrong no matter what arguement the selfish party decides to use

And it's YOUR OPINION that it is wrong. That is an opinion that everybody does not share.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

And in what way? All three are the killing of an unwanted living human, it's that simple

Obviously, it's not that simple, or there wouldn't be a debate, would there? It's not the killing of a living human - it's the killing of a potential human.

No, how could you know? I didn't want the baby in me....at all, I knew abortion was an option, and to tell you the truth it was a tempting one, but I did what I DIDN'T want to do, and I left the baby in me, because abortion is murder.

No, you did what you WANTed to do, and left the baby in you. Obviously, because if you WANTed to abort more than you WANTed not to, you would have done so.

I can't think of one thing in life that I want more than to leave for Canada, and not come back, but I do, what I don't want, in staying here, because it would be a legal bind to do it.

I can easily think of one thing you wanted more - you wanted to not have an abortion. Obviously, or you would have done so.

I do things I don't want to do, and I don't do things I want to do, and thank God for it, a lot of the things I, and many poeple want would hurt other poeple. Like abortion.

No, like everybody, you only do things you want to do given your situation. I've no doubt you wanted not to be pregnant; but given that you were, you wanted to NOT have an abortion more than you wanted to have an abortion. Obviously.

 

[The Story Teller]

Would You Recommend Abortion?

Author Unknown



1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending abortion?



2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The 1st is blind, the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?



3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?



4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married Her fiancée is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?



_______________ANSWERS__________________



If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations: In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.



In the second case, you have just killed Beethoven.



In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great Black gospel singer.



If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared The murder of Jesus.



Submitted by Richard