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Abortion: The Real Reason Why States are Passing Laws Against It

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by zephcom, May 23, 2019.

  1. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    I find this hard to credit when there are proven methods of reducing abortion that are passed over. I also find it hard to credit when pro-life people keep bringing up women's sexual behavior and how they hope limiting abortion will cause it to change.

    But that is kind of the issue. It is not always up to women and their partners. As you say even in cases where increased protection is used there is a possibility of procreation. Christians might not of caused that but some are certainly fighting to ensure there are limited options in dealing with it.



    Let me ask you a question. If you could reduce abortions now through enacting measures that will help women in need and there is no political resistance why would that not be your first step? Why would you focus on the piece that is very difficult and contentious?

    Yes, a handful. But their voices are drowned out by those who wish to restrict abortion without being willing to address the underlying causes of their choice.
     
  2. tall73

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    I posted it because almost one hundred percent is not one hundred percent. Even the most effective on the list would indicate one pregnancy out of 1,000 women over a years time.

    Is it better than no contraception for preventing pregnancy? Of course. But it still results in unplanned pregnancies.


    How am I ignoring it? In multiple threads we have had the discussion that accurate information, etc. regarding abstinence, birth control, etc. are important.

    Half of abortions is still way too many abortions because it is NOT about control for me, it is actually about the notion that it is a child.

    That is why I personally waited to have sex until I was ready for the possibility of having a child. Because if you are fertile then to have sex is to open up that possibility.
     
  3. JackRT

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    Here in Canada, the total cost to us for pre natal care, delivery and post natal care for our two daughters was $0.00 Abortions are also $0.00.The abortion rate in the USA is about 50% above that of Canada.
     
  4. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

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    I have not argued for passing over them.
     
  5. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

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    Thank you, that illustrates the problem well.
     
  6. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    Understood and I respect your position. However the vast majority of pro-life folks have passed them over. They would rather do the hard lift then the easy lift.
     
  7. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

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    Women, men, etc. I hope behavior changes that caused children in the womb to die.
     
  8. ChicanaRose

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    Ok no prob. : )
     
  9. tall73

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    We cannot control the possibility of pregnancy, but we can control our behavior (willingly, not due to law would be my preference).

    But even after the pregnancy that does not demand aborting. My wife and I used contraception for a time. In fact, we even used timing methods for a time, knowing it was less effective (with the help of a device that measures temps etc.) We would prefer not to have a child in our first couple years of marriage, but if we did there was no question we would raise the child. So we accepted the reality of the possibility of pregnancy and acted responsibly within that.

    I think it should be the first step! All the data says poverty and fatherlessness, etc. indicate the highest likelihood. I don't have a magic wand to make it happen, however. And our two party system limits any voice but the establishment. And the establishment doesn't want a party that is against war, for addressing needs, and pro-life.



    But that doesn't change the morality of ending a pregnancy. Other people's thoughts don't determine my view of right and wrong. They may make it tougher to take action to help. But as several posters have indicated I don't think the main reason people change is the law. I think most people change because of changed thinking, so I spend most of my time worrying about that, because most of the things I care about politically are a long-shot.
     
  10. Jermayn

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    There's a reason God speaks against sex before marriage and adultery. I'm not going to tell you it's ok to murder your kids to make you feel better because you didn't listen.
     
  11. ChicanaRose

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    Child of Mercy - Chastity
     
  12. ChicanaRose

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    Yeah, me three. Even though I am still prolife, I am not at all fond of the approach. The end doesn't justify the means because without love, the movement amounts to nothing (1 Cor. 13:1-3).
     
  13. Sparagmos

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    Which would be great, because that would be an enormous reduction in unplanned pregnancies.
     
  14. Aldebaran

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    Oh sure! As if I can't live in peace unless I can control every woman's sexuality. :rolleyes:
    The very idea doesn't even make sense. It's more of a stall tactic just to put pro-lifers on the defensive.
     
  15. Aldebaran

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    One reason is because places like Planned "Parenthood" are good at portraying a woman's unborn baby as less than human--as just some sort of unwanted growth that needs to be removed to improve the woman's life. Makes the whole abortion process seem so simple, so harmless, and without consequence.
     
  16. ChicanaRose

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    Exactly. And somehow, the murder in our hearts (Matt. 5:22, 1 John 3:15) against pregnant women is excusable.

    "Unplanned pregnancy, oftentimes, is categorized by the church as a more significant sin that perhaps lying, cheating, stealing, or any of the other sins that God detests"

    Why Single Moms Don't Go To Church - The Life of a Single Mom
     
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  17. Aldebaran

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    Pregnancy is murder?
     
  18. ChicanaRose

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    Hatred is murder. (Please refer to the verses I included). Perhaps I could have phrased it better: murder in our hearts "committed" against pregnant women.
     
  19. USincognito

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    "Murder your kids"? LOL

    Welcome to CF.
     
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  20. Carl Emerson

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    of course...
     
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