Abortion Discussion

[PapaZoom]

Still waiting for anyone to answer my question. For those who believe that a rape victim should be forced to carry the fetus to term against her will, do you favor involuntary servitude in all cases or just in cases involving rape victims?

poisoning the well fallacy - which is why your question is avoided

It's not a rational question. It's a deliberate and disingenuous setup.

 

[Cearbhall]

Please, show me where does the U.S. Constitution say that you can engage in the genocide of the unborn with impunity!

What does that have to do with my question?

 

[civilwarbuff]

And as I said it has already been discussed in the thread so what I said has already been supported. I don't have to keep repeating things over and over.

If you keep repeating the statement over and over again, yes you do.....

 

[Archivist]

poisoning the well fallacy - which is why your question is avoided

It's not a rational question. It's a deliberate and disingenuous setup.

Perfectly rational question. Your side just can't come up with a good answer.

 

[Archivist]

If you keep repeating the statement over and over again, yes you do.....

Wrong.

 

[PapaZoom]

Perfectly rational question. Your side just can't come up with a good answer.

You would say that. Your question comes with assumptions you've not even bothered to prove. It's a loaded question and it deliberately contains controversial and unjustified assumptions. You won't get an answer until you fix that, which you can't. We see through you.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Wrong.

Well, that word will win every time...I guess I am defeated.....

 

[Archivist]

You would say that. Your question comes with assumptions you've not even bothered to prove. It's a loaded question and it deliberately contains controversial and unjustified assumptions. You won't get an answer until you fix that, which you can't. We see through you.

Actually I provided citations to law review articles that sipported my position so don't say I haven't bothered to prove my point. Just answer the question.

 

[Archivist]

Well, that word will win every time...I guess I am defeated.....

You are defeated. I'm not asking you to do my research. I did my research and it can be found in the thread.

 

[PapaZoom]

Actually I provided citations to law review articles that sipported my position so don't say I haven't bothered to prove my point. Just answer the question.

I didn't see those so I'll have to look through to posts to find them before I can comment on them.

 

[Archivist]

I didn't see those so I'll have to look through to posts to find them before I can comment on them.

At 66 pages it is easy to not find things!

 

[PapaZoom]

At 66 pages it is easy to not find things!

I'm pretty sure I can find them I just need to take the time to look. But right now I am at Easter practice at church so I'll look later on this evening.

 

[redleghunter]

It is in the Talmud. It has been referenced elsewhere in this thread.

What does the Talmud say about Jesus?

 

[PapaZoom]

At 66 pages it is easy to not find things!

I told you I could find it. http://www.christianforums.com/threads/abortion-discussion.7936037/page-4#post-69358560

But the links require a login. I will look into that.

 

[PapaZoom]

I told you I could find it. http://www.christianforums.com/threads/abortion-discussion.7936037/page-4#post-69358560

But the links require a login. I will look into that.

Apparently it's 24$$ for a 24 hour pass. I'll try google.

 

[civilwarbuff]

LOL....Maybe he has a financial interest in it.....

 

[redleghunter]

But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself.

And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even His life to love us. So, the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love, that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts.

By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems.

And, by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion.

Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion.

Mother Teresa in a 1994 National Prayer Breakfast speech

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/03/16/...llary-clinton-in-stunned-silence-on-abortion/

 

[redleghunter]

 

[Root of Jesse]

The quote with the option that people who enjoy pleasure need to suffer consequences for it. I know what that means in these discussions.

No such luck, buddy boy. Have you EVER been to a Catholic parish's St. Patrick's day festival or Octoberfest? Lots of pleasure going on there, and I can vouch for enjoying sex IMMENSELY, still going strong with one woman, 28 years, no Viagra, at 70 years old. Pleasure is not the problem, buddy boy. Rich juicy meats and choice wine. Monks made beer and wine, remember?
That don't fly.
IT's pleasure in ways we weren't meant to have it that matters in these discussions. Sex outside of marriage, for one. Drinking way too much or gluttony.

 

[Root of Jesse]

If the statistics lie, why are you trying to explain the reasons why they accurately represent the reality of the situation? I'd pick one rationalization or the other rather than contradictory ones in consecutive posts.

"My client didn't steal that car. Besides, he returned it unharmed that very night so you should take it easy on him".

Your statistics don't say what you say they say. That's how statistics lie.