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Several groups of experts have looked at the available studies on the possible link between abortion and breast cancer.


In 2003, the US National Cancer Institute (NCI) held a workshop of more than 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. The experts reviewed human and animal studies that looked at the link between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. Some of their findings were:


  • Breast cancer risk is increased for a short time after a full-term pregnancy (that is, a pregnancy that results in the birth of a living child).
  • Induced abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
  • Spontaneous abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
The level of scientific evidence for these findings was considered to be “well established” (the highest level).
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/moreinformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer
 
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Several groups of experts have looked at the available studies on the possible link between abortion and breast cancer.


In 2003, the US National Cancer Institute (NCI) held a workshop of more than 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. The experts reviewed human and animal studies that looked at the link between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. Some of their findings were:


  • Breast cancer risk is increased for a short time after a full-term pregnancy (that is, a pregnancy that results in the birth of a living child).
  • Induced abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
  • Spontaneous abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
The level of scientific evidence for these findings was considered to be “well established” (the highest level).
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/moreinformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer

I've seen it. There's also a cervical cancer risk. And suicide risk. And depression. And lots of other risks they never tell you about.
 
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There's also a cervical cancer risk.
Nope, not even spontaneous abortions are mentioned, but this does, among other things......

Women who have had 3 or more full-term pregnancies have an increased risk of developing cervical cancer. No one really knows why this is true. One theory is that these women had to have had unprotected intercourse to get pregnant, so they may have had more exposure to HPV. Also, studies have pointed to hormonal changes during pregnancy as possibly making women more susceptible to HPV infection or cancer growth. Another thought is that pregnant women might have weaker immune systems, allowing for HPV infection and cancer growth.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cervicalcancer/detailedguide/cervical-cancer-risk-factors

imo, it is better not to make claims that cannot be based in facts from an unbiased, reliable source. When it comes to cancer research the American Cancer Society is one, if not the best, reliable source.
 
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There's also a cervical cancer risk. And suicide risk. And depression. And lots of other risks they never tell you about.
Three of the reasons why I won't be having kids the natural way. There are so many risks in pregnancy and childbirth that you still don't hear much about because they're taboo.
 
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The 16-year-old who gets an abortion is 200 times more likely to die from breast cancer, as a result of that abortion, than if she had carried the child to term.
-- Dr. Joel Brind, PhD, professor of biology & endocrinology at Baruch College

Abortion Increases Cancer Risk


http://www.dianedew.com/aborcanc.htm
 
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And the pro-choice side gives pregbant women the right to choose to carry the fetus to term. Your side would force them to do so against their will.

They like to give you that idea but it is not the truth. I have seen over the years surveys done asking women who had an abortion whether it was their choice. In each survey the answer was NO in varying degrees. Either the parents, the father or the abortionist forced them into an abortion.

Just one example was a student at a school I taught in whose boyfriend got her pregnant. He said if you don't get an abortion I am going to leave you so she didn't want to lose him so she got an abortion. A few weeks later he dumped her.
 
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Here's another source they can call liars

http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/index/
Did you see this, on this site? I did.
"Thirty-one percent of all conceptions will end in a spontaneous abortion."

So I'm reading the paper posted on this site,
"Normal breast physiology: The reasons hormonal contraceptives and induced abortion increase breast cancer risk."
By Angela Lanfranchi, MD, Clinical Associate Professor of Surgery, Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
A mother’s breasts enlarge very soon after conception, making sore and tender breasts one of the first signs of pregnancy. Even before the embryo (or blastocyst) implants in its mother’s womb, a chemical signal, hCG, produced by the embryo causes its mother’s ovaries to increase production of estrogen and progesterone in order to sustain the pregnancy.
After about eleven weeks, it is the fetus and placenta and not the mother which produced most of the needed estrogen and progesterone to sustain the pregnancy. Fetal developmental abnormalities that prevent adequate production of those hormones cause miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) in the first trimester. The inadequate levels of the pregnancy hormones (estrogen, progesterone, and hCG) during an abnormal pregnancy that result in a first trimester spontaneous abortion do not suffice for stimulating breast development and leave the mother’s breasts unchanged. Therefore, following a first-trimester spontaneous abortion, the mother typically has no change
in breast-cancer risk as her breasts were never stimulated to grow. [emphasis mine]

So according to this article from your site, a woman who has an abortion before the 11th week of pregnancy has "no change in breast-cancer risk" anymore than the woman who spontaneously aborts does.
 
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Do you always answer questions with questions?
I think we can agree that anything that causes an unborn pain should not be done.
BUT for me if the mother's life is in danger something must be done. Hopefully both lives can be saved but that is not always possible.

imo. The rape victim should have access to Plan B. If used within 12-24 hrs. the chances of an egg being fertilized is 5%.
Within a couple of weeks an accurate pregnancy test can be done. If she is pregnant she should have the option of abortion but it should be done as soon as she knows.

This hasn't been mentioned but married woman have been raped by strangers. Some husbands don't do well with it and refuse to raise another man's child, especially this child. They don't do well seeing the wife pregnant by another man. There have been divorces and families destroyed. Sometimes there is more than one life at stake. Because pregnancy from rape is rare doesn't mean we should ignore it when we make laws.

Personally I don't feel that any abortion should be done past 12 wks. except in the case of the mother's physical life in danger.


Then she is a victim of her own decision, not the doctor.

Worldwide studies have proven that abortions are not connected to breast cancer.

Sad to say not all agree that anything that causes the baby pain should not be done. In my State, the politicians passed a bill that said a baby can be aborted right up to a day before birth, which is guaranteed to cause pain.

A general discussion of abortion should not and cannot include a situation where the mother's life is in danger because 99% of abortions that are done, the mother's life is not in danger. They are done for the convenience of the mother.

Again, rape is not a basis for discussing abortion as they are less than 1% of abortions. What we should be focussing on is the 99% of abortions for convenience sake. The question is "How do we stop that genocide of unborn babies?" Last year 55 million worldwide.

Again, married women being raped and made pregnant. It is infinitesimal in comparison to the majority of abortions.

These three things are thrown up by pro-aborts to justify their demands for abortion for any reason and they detract from the 99% of abortions that do not occur for any of these three reasons.

You don't believe an abortion should be done past 12 weeks? Why? What is so special about 12 weeks? If after 12 weeks is unacceptable, abortion at any time should be unacceptable because we get into the slippery slope of he said she said and you will note that those who are so aggressively for abortion are so not for any valid medical reasons. it is all esoteric right of the mother or some such nonsense.

And worldwide studies have shown a link between abortion and breast cancer. See my thread "The Truth and Myths of Abortion."

One American expert, Dr Joel Brind, an Endocrinology Professor, has said that “the single most avoidable risk factor for breast cancer is induced abortion.”

As he states elsewhere: “By way of background, abortion raises a woman’s risk for breast cancer in two ways; the debate is over the second, not the first. Scientists have long understood that the risk of breast cancer is reduced when a woman completes a full-term pregnancy. This ‘protective effect of childbearing’ is lost with an abortion. The second way abortion increases the likelihood of breast cancer is that an abortion leaves a woman with more cancer-vulnerable breast tissue than she had before she became pregnant.”

A new study coming from researchers in Sri Lanka finds women who had abortions more than triple their breast cancer risk compared with women who carry their pregnancy to term. The study was published in the journal Cancer Epidemiology and found a 3.42 odds ratio against women having abortions compared with those who kept their baby.

The Sri Lankan study is the fourth epidemiological study in fourteen months to report an abortion-breast cancer link, including studies from the U.S., China and Turkey. Other studies have shown the protective effect a full-term pregnancy has for women.

A study published in the Indian Journal of Community Medicine (May, 2013) found a 6.38-fold greater risk of breast cancer among women with histories of induced abortion. The study, led by Ramachandra Kamath, MD (Department of Public Health, Manipal University), found induced abortion was the most important risk factor….

The authors found a non-statistically significant 1.76-fold risk increase among women with first births after age 30. “Medical texts acknowledge delayed first full term pregnancy is a risk factor for breast cancer. It’s indisputable that abortion contributes to delayed first full term pregnancies; and in some cases, women remain childless forever, which is also an accepted risk factor.” Kamath’s group observed that India has the “largest estimated number of breast cancer deaths worldwide,” and breast cancer rates are on the rise there.

A new systematic review and meta-analysis of abortion and breast cancer (ABC link) in China was just published four days ago in the prestigious, peer-reviewed international cancer journal, Cancer Causes and Control. In this meta-analysis (a study of studies, in which results from many studies are pooled), Dr. Yubei Huang et al. reported that, combining all 36 studies on the ABC link in China that have been published through 2012, the overall risk of developing breast cancer among women who had at least one induced abortion was significantly increased by 44%.

These results, said the authors, “were consistent with a previously published systematic review”. That review was the one I published in the British Medical Association’s epidemiology journal with colleagues from Penn State Medical Center in 1996, which study reported an overall significant 30% increased risk of breast cancer in worldwide studies.

I have plenty more facts if you need them.
 
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Did you see this, on this site? I did.
"Thirty-one percent of all conceptions will end in a spontaneous abortion."

So I'm reading the paper posted on this site,
"Normal breast physiology: The reasons hormonal contraceptives and induced abortion increase breast cancer risk."
By Angela Lanfranchi, MD, Clinical Associate Professor of Surgery, Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
A mother’s breasts enlarge very soon after conception, making sore and tender breasts one of the first signs of pregnancy. Even before the embryo (or blastocyst) implants in its mother’s womb, a chemical signal, hCG, produced by the embryo causes its mother’s ovaries to increase production of estrogen and progesterone in order to sustain the pregnancy.
After about eleven weeks, it is the fetus and placenta and not the mother which produced most of the needed estrogen and progesterone to sustain the pregnancy. Fetal developmental abnormalities that prevent adequate production
of those hormones cause miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) in the first trimester. The inadequate levels of the pregnancy hormones (estrogen, progesterone, and hCG) during an abnormal pregnancy that result in a first
trimester spontaneous abortion do not suffice for stimulating breast development and leave the mother’s breasts unchanged. Therefore, following a first-trimester spontaneous abortion, the mother typically has no change

in breast-cancer risk as her breasts were never stimulated to grow. [emphasis mine]

So according to this article from your site, a woman who has an abortion before the 11th week of pregnancy has "no change in breast-cancer risk" anymore than the woman who spontaneously aborts does.

a spontaneous abortion is natural and done by nature. One done by a doctor, aka an
Induced Abortion is not natural and interferes with the natural physical order of things. It forces the body into an unnatural situation. An
"Induced Abortion Increases Breast-Cancer Risk" that is a quote from the article

From the article:

A woman gains protection from breast cancer by completing a full-term pregnancy.

If the pregnancy ends through an induced abortion or a premature birth before thirty-two weeks, the mother’s breasts will have only partially matured, retaining even more cancer-susceptible breast tissue than when the pregnancy began. This increased amount of immature breast tissue will leave the mother with more sites for cancer initiation, thereby increasing her risk of breast cancer. Hormonal contraceptives increase breast-cancer risk by their proliferative effect on breast tissue and their direct carcinogenic effects on DNA.

This article provides the detailed physiology and data that elucidate the mechanisms through which induced abortion and hormonal contraceptives increase breast-cancer risk.

Since 1957, a large number of epidemiological studies have suggested a link between induced abortion and breast cancer,1

This author and others have reviewed this literature at length and shown that proper analysis of valid studies indicates an increased risk of breast cancer following induced abortion.3 It is noteworthy that there is a universally accepted protective effect of fullterm pregnancy in decreasing breast-cancer risk,4 and this protective effect is abrogated by induced abortion.


I'm barely past the first page and there are over 170 more references to go.

So you're completely wrong on this point.
 
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Did you see this, on this site? I did.
"Thirty-one percent of all conceptions will end in a spontaneous abortion."

So I'm reading the paper posted on this site,
"Normal breast physiology: The reasons hormonal contraceptives and induced abortion increase breast cancer risk."
By Angela Lanfranchi, MD, Clinical Associate Professor of Surgery, Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
A mother’s breasts enlarge very soon after conception, making sore and tender breasts one of the first signs of pregnancy. Even before the embryo (or blastocyst) implants in its mother’s womb, a chemical signal, hCG, produced by the embryo causes its mother’s ovaries to increase production of estrogen and progesterone in order to sustain the pregnancy.
After about eleven weeks, it is the fetus and placenta and not the mother which produced most of the needed estrogen and progesterone to sustain the pregnancy. Fetal developmental abnormalities that prevent adequate production
of those hormones cause miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) in the first trimester. The inadequate levels of the pregnancy hormones (estrogen, progesterone, and hCG) during an abnormal pregnancy that result in a first
trimester spontaneous abortion do not suffice for stimulating breast development and leave the mother’s breasts unchanged. Therefore, following a first-trimester spontaneous abortion, the mother typically has no change

in breast-cancer risk as her breasts were never stimulated to grow. [emphasis mine]

So according to this article from your site, a woman who has an abortion before the 11th week of pregnancy has "no change in breast-cancer risk" anymore than the woman who spontaneously aborts does.

Then this from the same article:

"
A mother’s breasts enlarge very soon after conception, making sore and tender breasts one of the first signs of pregnancy. Even before the embryo (or blastocyst) implants in its mother’s womb, a chemical signal, hCG,
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produced by the embryo causes its mother’s ovaries to increase production of estrogen and progesterone in order to sustain the pregnancy.8 After about eleven weeks, it is the fetus and placenta and not the mother which produced most of the needed estrogen and progesterone to sustain the pregnancy. Fetal developmental abnormalities that prevent adequate production of those hormones cause miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) in the first trimester.9 The inadequate levels of the pregnancy hormones (estrogen, progesterone, and hCG) during an abnormal pregnancy that result in a first trimester spontaneous abortion do not suffice for stimulating breast development and leave the mother’s breasts unchanged."

Therefore, following a first-trimester spontaneous abortion, the mother typically has no change in breast-cancer risk as her breasts were never stimulated to grow. Often a mother who spontaneously aborts (miscarries) in the first trimester will often remark that she never “felt” pregnant before she miscarried; she had no morning sickness nor sore and tender breasts that she may have experienced in prior pregnancies. Thirty-one percent of all conceptions will end in a spontaneous abortion.10
 
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You don't believe an abortion should be done past 12 weeks? Why? What is so special about 12 weeks?
I believe that was in response to the pain issue. At any rate I take that position because of the development of the fetus and the potential of causing pain. Do spontaneous abortions cause pain?
Many people when they have to have a pet put down they ask if it will cause the pet to experience pain. I wish more people do take this into consideration when thinking about abortion.
 
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So an abortion can be done prior to 12 weeks because they developing human being feels no pain.

Across the world about a few hundred people suffer from one of a variety of diseases that make them completely unable to feel pain from the time they're born.

Should it be allowed that we can kill these human beings too? After all, they feel no pain.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061213-pain.html
 
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Sorry I'm missing your point.

You said this: "So according to this article from your site, a woman who has an abortion before the 11th week of pregnancy has "no change in breast-cancer risk" anymore than the woman who spontaneously aborts does."

Your statement is false. First, those are your words completely as the article does not draw that conclusion. Second, you have your facts wrong and your conclusion is bogus.
 
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You said this: "So according to this article from your site, a woman who has an abortion before the 11th week of pregnancy has "no change in breast-cancer risk" anymore than the woman who spontaneously aborts does."

Your statement is false. First, those are your words completely as the article does not draw that conclusion. Second, you have your facts wrong and your conclusion is bogus.
So you do not agree with my statement. Well I believe my statement is correct per the information provided in the article.
But please, explain to me why you believe my statement is incorrect. What are the facts? Why is my conclusion incorrect?
 
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