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it needs to be amended, we didn't used to "legally" consider many minority populations to be full "persons" either. I say its time we finish fixing thatOK, now you're talking legally. Those are crimes against persons. Legally, the unborn are not persons. The Constitution can be amended if you don't agree. And good luck with that.
it needs to be amended, we didn't used to "legally" consider many minority populations to be full "persons" either. I say its time we finish fixing that
Well I can certainly see why. Not suggesting you would but some air-headed girl might think "I never want children" and want to be sterilized then 10 years down the line wish they could have children but if they've been sterilized there's no going back. Not to mention every procedure carries risks with it. There is good sense in avoiding invasive medical treatment that isn't medically required.If you advocate for this, can you also please advocate for better access to sterilization, especially for women?
I've been trying to get permanently sterilized for quite some time now, and am told I need to have at least one child first*. This is a problem because I don't want any children, that's kind of why I want to be sterilized
*This isn't even a legal requirement, all doctors I've visited are just uncomfortable sterilizing women who haven't had children.
It could trigger bad emotions and memories.
If you advocate for this, can you also please advocate for better access to sterilization, especially for women?
Well I can certainly see why. Not suggesting you would but some air-headed girl might think "I never want children" and want to be sterilized then 10 years down the line wish they could have children but if they've been sterilized there's no going back. Not to mention every procedure carries risks with it. There is good sense in avoiding invasive medical treatment that isn't medically required.
I think the birth-control implants that last 5 years or so unless you remove them are a better option. At least that decision is reversible. Still, assuming you aren't making a rash decision then the doctor should listen to you.
Well I can certainly see why. Not suggesting you would but some air-headed girl might think "I never want children" and want to be sterilized then 10 years down the line wish they could have children but if they've been sterilized there's no going back. Not to mention every procedure carries risks with it. There is good sense in avoiding invasive medical treatment that isn't medically required.
I think the birth-control implants that last 5 years or so unless you remove them are a better option. At least that decision is reversible. Still, assuming you aren't making a rash decision then the doctor should listen to you.
There is, for doctors, the risk of lawyers and future lawsuits to consider (even when proper waivers have been signed). I suspect this may be behind their reluctance as well.
Yes very true. Suits are still filed despite waivers.There is, for doctors, the risk of lawyers and future lawsuits to consider (even when proper waivers have been signed). I suspect this may be behind their reluctance as well.
it needs to be amended, we didn't used to "legally" consider many minority populations to be full "persons" either. I say its time we finish fixing that
Pro-Choice
1. Abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term and abortion does not fit the definition.
2. Agreed.
3. Yes, criminalizing abortion would not stop abortion. We would see a return to unsafe back alley abortions.
4. In general yes, although I understand that there are certain medical conditions such as anencephaly that would usually prevent a baby from surviving more than a few hours or days after its birth. In those cases I see nothing wrong with allowing the pregnant woman to have an abortion. In any event I believe that the choice should remain with the pregnant woman.
Then I trust that you are aware that third term abortions are illegal except to save the life or health of the pregnant woman.Lets get the facts right Archivist, #1 Abortion is Murder, are you that blind that you cannot see that a unborn child in the 3 trimester is a living and breathing Human being? the only diffirence from a child that has been delivered is that it is still atached to it's umbilical cord..they only reason why they are being murdered by so-called doctors is because of RoevWade and the law allows abortion...excuse my lack of medical terms, that is my only ignorance..thank you.
Prove that what is killed in an abortion is a "person" and we'll all agree it's murder. Until that time, however, your premise is flawed.Please, please, please stay on topic here guys... I think this is an important discussion for the Body of Christ as a whole along with society at large to have but the last thread addressing it got overrun with an off topic argument and closed... Please stay on topic...
Here are my basic beliefs on the subject of abortion:
Pro-Life
1. Abortion is murder. It is an affront not just to Christian teaching but to the very foundations of modern society. It takes the rule of law and due process and throws both out the window to allow adults, women like myself in particular, to kill their own offspring for even the most arbitrary of reasons. In most cases it's an evil and barbaric practice that in an ideal world should be criminalized outside of extreme circumstances. To clarify what I mean by "Extreme Circumstances" if there's a higher than 55% chance that the mother will die if she gives birth or carries to term, or if there is less than a 10% chance that the child will be born alive. Even at that point abortion is a necessary evil. It is never right, but there are situations in which it is still better than the alternative and any legal sanctions against it MUST provide exceptions to take those situations into account.
2. We do not live in that ideal world. Therefore whether we believe abortion to be right or wrong our time is better spent creating a world in which abortion is as unneeded and uncommon as possible. What will help that happen? Increased access to preventative birth-control, better and more widespread sex education, more resources for pregnant women regardless or age or background, and much needed reforms to the current adoption and foster-care systems.
3. Until the points outlined above in #2 are accomplished criminalizing abortion would solve very little and create more problems than it gets rid of.
4. I do not fly with the "quality of life" "sick kids shouldn't even be born" argument...
*Schadenfreude snark*Lets get the facts right Archivist, #1 Abortion is Murder, are you that blind that you cannot see that a unborn child in the 3 trimester is a living and breathing Human being? the only diffirence from a child that has been delivered is that it is still atached to it's umbilical cord..they only reason why they are being murdered by so-called doctors is because of RoevWade and the law allows abortion...excuse my lack of medical terms, that is my only ignorance..thank you.
If you wish the discussion to stay on track, as you said in your OP, I suggest avoiding such blatant strawmen.Nor is "the unborn are nothing but parasitic tumors" which is a lie the pro-choice crowd loves
You've said nothing here
Do you not understand the difference between legal and religious?
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