Prophecy Countdown said:CLEARLY, then we can take it as an admission of ignorance.
Do preterists have any idea as to what they are talking about?
Or will the preterist try to wriggle their way out of it?
Maranatha
PC.
Wills said:You did not understand the statement.
They lived under Mosaic law, and did not accept Christ while under that law. You refer to a vision and I refer you back to their lives in the OT.
It is their OT lives , that they would lead as jews, similar to the Jewish
Rabbis of today.
The Rabbis today are not Christians and are under the Mosaic law.
Read the SCRIPTURES ..Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus etc. Moses and Elijah lived under temple sin offering times and their real Old testament lives as will be seen, cannot comprehend or place Christ over the Mosaic law.
Your point is erroneous, today's Jewish rabbis are not Christians, why do you expect Moses in a synagogue to automatically flip over?
The facts today are clear. Jew synagogues have no New testament worship. Are they (Moses, Elijah..) not Jews who have identical faith to the VERY JEWS who live the Mosaic Law today? That is mutually exclusive.
The evidence of Jew synagogue faith (Non Christ) today does not support
You may have misread my views. Kindly read again.
cbk said:I don't know where you all are going with this, but true, I understand that Moses and Elijah lived under the Old Law, however, is it not possible that both these are DISSIMILAR to the Rabbis of today (and 200 centuries ago), because these two were JUSTIFIED by FAITH and not by law in the eyes of God??? What if these two understood that faith through the Messiah brought justification without law, even though his death was yet to take place?? Could justification be given under these circumstances as it is given to we who are 2000 years removed??
We have a choice today to be justified by law (Mosiac) or by faith through the grace of God through the Messiah. Could Moses and Elijah not have jualified if they were imparted the same knowledge as we??
Prophecy Countdown said:I said that Jesus did not do away with sin AT HIS FIRST ADVENT but paid the price of sin as the second Adam.
Sin killed Christ but it was not Christ that sinned it was our sins that He took on and paid for it with His life, so we could live.
Jesus came to pay the price for our sin problem, so we could gain, by HIS gift the spiritual things, in faith.
Our mortal bodies will become immortal so that we can live forever at trumpet number seven at the FIRST resurrection the time of the end at the second coming.
1st Corinthians 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
We need to be changed to be free of sin at the last trump sounding first resurrection at HIS second advent. Please read the following verses.
1 Corinthians 15:50. Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH and blood CANNOT INHERIT the KINGDOM of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I SHEW YOU A MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL BE CHANGED, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, and the DEAD SHALL BE RAISED incorruptible, and we shall BE CHANGED.
Now Prophecy Countdown.
cbk said:I don't know where you all are going with this, but true, I understand that Moses and Elijah lived under the Old Law, however, is it not possible that both these are DISSIMILAR to the Rabbis of today (and 200 centuries ago), because these two were JUSTIFIED by FAITH and not by law in the eyes of God??? What if these two understood that faith through the Messiah brought justification without law, even though his death was yet to take place?? Could justification be given under these circumstances as it is given to we who are 2000 years removed??
We have a choice today to be justified by law (Mosiac) or by faith through the grace of God through the Messiah. Could Moses and Elijah not have jualified if they were imparted the same knowledge as we??
To those who live by faith, there is no law -- of which Moses and Elijah may have done,,, even more so than many Christians today (which could be the subject of another thread). And although you state that when Jesus was speaking to Moses and Elijah that it was a vision, I disagree. What scriptural evidence do you have that this was merely a vision and not reality??? And, if it were a vision, what was the purpose and scripture evidence to support this purpose????
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