Abiogenesis

[HitchSlap]

I have a basic understanding chemistry. I actually make some of my own chemicals at home.

I'm sorry. I should have stated the question more clearly.

Exactly what are the mechanics of the process for creating life?

Graham Cairns-Smith - Wikipedia

 

[renniks]

Seriously? You do not know of the Miller-Urey experiment or that amino acids have been found in meteorites?

Your claim is simply incorrect.

Miller was wrong about a lot of things...

 

[renniks]

Well, something happened, because there is life on the planet now, and it hasn't always been here.

Design happened, by the Designer of life.

 

[HARK!]

Graham Cairns-Smith - Wikipedia

Another hypothesis...

"The clay hypothesis suggests how biologically inert matter helped the evolution of early life forms"


If you start out with a life form; how is this a process for creating a life form?

I can do a better job breeding fruit flies.

 

[renniks]

Well if scientists don't know precisely how life first started (and they don't), they can't exactly reproduce it except by trying a bunch of different things and hoping one of them works. But they admit that's an extreme long shot.

So, we can't do it on purpose, with all our intelligence, in controlled conditions, but we are supposed to believe it happened by accident?

 

[renniks]

Not so. Take a look at the following to see how peptides and amino acids can self assemble

Self-Assembling Peptides and Their Application in the Treatment of Diseases

Amino Acid Based Self-assembled Nanostructures: Complex Structures from Remarkably Simple Building Blocks

Relatively straight forwards.

If it's relatively straightforward, they should be able to replicate it, no problem. But DNA is anything but simple.

 

[Strathos]

So, we can't do it on purpose, with all our intelligence, in controlled conditions, but we are supposed to believe it happened by accident?

I'm just relating what I've heard.

 

[durangodawood]

I want to vote for science AND conjecture.... because I think thats where we're at.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Miller was wrong about a lot of things...

Yes, and his idea was retested and it still worked. And that is only one source. Like it or not the Miller-Urey experiment was a success because it demonstrated how to test one way that amino acids can form.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another hypothesis...

"The clay hypothesis suggests how biologically inert matter helped the evolution of early life forms"


If you start out with a life form; how is this a process for creating a life form?

I can do a better job breeding fruit flies.

It does not start out with a life form.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If it's relatively straightforward, they should be able to replicate it, no problem. But DNA is anything but simple.

Modern DNA is anything but simple. Don't assume that the first life was complex. Second it probably did not have DNA.

 

[HitchSlap]

So, we can't do it on purpose, with all our intelligence, in controlled conditions, but we are supposed to believe it happened by accident?

Yep. Unless you still think Thor causes lightning, then the only sane option is natural.

 

[durangodawood]

Pretty much everything we observe seems the result of some natural process.

Seems odd that we'd find an exception.

So given the lack of actual evidence either way, I'm provisionally sticking with a category of explanation that we know works.

 

[Speedwell]

Design happened, by the Designer of life.

Sure. But how, exactly, did it go down? That's what we hope science will eventually tell us.

 

[renniks]

Yes, and his idea was retested and it still worked. And that is only one source. Like it or not the Miller-Urey experiment was a success because it demonstrated how to test one way that amino acids can form.

Im a little rusty on all this, but didn't he eliminate oxegon to get the results he wanted?

 

[renniks]

Yep. Unless you still think Thor causes lightning, then the only sane option is natural.

An intelligent designer seems like the most sane explanation there is. Besides, even if life could form spontaneously, that doesn't explain how everything comes from nothing.

 

[Speedwell]

An intelligent designer seems like the most sane explanation there is. Besides, even if life could form spontaneously, that doesn't explain how everything comes from nothing.

Is it supposed to? In any case, we don't even know that "everything came from nothing."

 

[renniks]

Sure. But how, exactly, did it go down? That's what we hope science will eventually tell us.

Science will eventually catch up to theology, maybe, but why is the supernatural so hard to imagine? We humans seem to be fascinated by the supernatural, it reigns on the movie screen and most everyone believes in God or a god. How does that idea even percolate in our imaginations if there isn't some basis in truth?

 

[renniks]

Is it supposed to? In any case, we don't even know that "everything came from nothing."

Yes,,there's a whole lot we don't know.
That's pretty much what the big bang is, everything from nothing...or more specifically from an infinite speck of energy that nobody seems to know the source of.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Im a little rusty on all this, but didn't he eliminate oxegon to get the results he wanted?

Of course. There was no molecular oxygen in the early atmosphere.