Abiogenesis

[Speedwell]

Atheist and agnostics saying that before the bang, there was only a speck of infinite energy.

I never heard anyone say that. Georges LeMaitre, the originator of Big Bang theory, didn't say that.

 

[HitchSlap]

Atheist and agnostics saying that before the bang, there was only a speck of infinite energy.

I have no idea what was before the BB.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Evidence for design is everywhere. Anyone that can look at the universe and the human body and not see the design is simply being dishonest. When you start to understand how complex one single strand of DNA is, to say it developed without a creator is about a billion times more absurd than saying the computer you are typing on made itself from nothing.

No, I am sorry, but "look at the trees" is not evidence. You are making a logical fallacy known as an Argument From Ignorance.

To have evidence in the sciences one must have a testable hypothesis first. What reasonable test, one that relies on the merits of your concept only, could possibly refute it? If you do not have a testable hypothesis for intelligent design you do not have evidence for intelligent design.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have no idea what was before the BB.

The Big Patio Party. It got a little out of hand.

 

[renniks]

Really? Quote and link a scientist that says that.

I'm talking about what Atheists and agnostics have told me. Or do a two-second search on your computer and you will find plenty of articles with claims like:
"The Big Bang is a theory describing the expansion of our Universe from a point of origin roughly 13.8 billion years ago.

This hypothetical starting point of everything was an infinite concentration of energy referred to as a singularity. If you find this hard to picture, don't worry. You're not alone. Physical laws don't deal well with infinite numbers, meaning concepts such as space, time, and a bunch of different forces don't mean a great deal in this tiny 'egg' from which the Universe hatched.

 

[Speedwell]

No one has yet explained how it's a strawman.

Because no reputable cosmologist, including Georges Lemaitre, the originator of Big Bang theory, says the universe came from nothing.

 

[HitchSlap]

Thor is just a mythical god, little g. Don't think anyone ever proposed that he was the creator of all.

Right, that would be Odin.

 

[renniks]

No, I am sorry, but "look at the trees" is not evidence. You are making a logical fallacy known as an Argument From Ignorance.

To have evidence in the sciences one must have a testable hypothesis first. What reasonable test, one that relies on the merits of your concept only, could possibly refute it? If you do not have a testable hypothesis for intelligent design you do not have evidence for intelligent design.

I'm glad you brought up a testable hyposthesis since all their tests at creating life have failed, therefore what we have about origins is pure speculation and not science at all.

 

[renniks]

Right, that would be Odin.

Myths tend to have some basis in fact. All the false gods are just pale shadows of the real One.

 

[HitchSlap]

The Big Patio Party. It got a little out of hand.

Darn, I miss all the good parties.

 

[renniks]

Because no reputable cosmologist, including Georges Lemaitre, the originator of Big Bang theory, says the universe came from nothing.

So, what came first, the energy or the bang? And how do you get energy with no energy source? All you can do is run in circles unless you have a first cause explanation.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm talking about what Atheists and agnostics have told me. Or do a two-second search on your computer and you will find plenty of articles with claims like:
"The Big Bang is a theory describing the expansion of our Universe from a point of origin roughly 13.8 billion years ago.

This hypothetical starting point of everything was an infinite concentration of energy referred to as a singularity. If you find this hard to picture, don't worry. You're not alone. Physical laws don't deal well with infinite numbers, meaning concepts such as space, time, and a bunch of different forces don't mean a great deal in this tiny 'egg' from which the Universe hatched.

Some guy on the internet writing a non-scientific explanation of big bang theory for laymen.

BTW, the originator of the Big Bang theory was not an atheist. I don't know if you would consider him a "real" Christian or not because he was a devout Roman Catholic, but you would be hard-pressed to prove he was an atheist.

 

[renniks]

Some guy on the internet writing a non-scientific explanation of big bang theory for laymen.

BTW, the originator of the Big Bang theory was not an atheist. I don't know if you would consider him a "real" Christian or not because he was a devout Roman Catholic, but you would be hard-pressed to prove he was an atheist.

Never said he was and it's irrelevant to the discussion. Perhaps we could just admit that scientists actually don't have a clue as to what started it all.

 

[HitchSlap]

Myths tend to have some basis in fact. All the false gods are just pale shadows of the real One.

Odin bless you.

 

[HitchSlap]

Never said he was and it's irrelevant to the discussion. Perhaps we could just admit that scientists actually don't have a clue as to what started it all.

Pssst... it's scientists that clued us into the fact there was a start.

 

[Speedwell]

So, what came first, the energy or the bang? And how do you get energy with no energy source? All you can do is run in circles unless you have a first cause explanation.

There was no "bang," it was an expansion. "Big bang" was a derisive nickname coined by a disgruntled steady-statist which caught on in the popular press. No one knows where the energy came from.

 

[renniks]

Odin bless you.

Odin was a bit too manipulative for my taste, but then I've only seen the movies...it's interesting how the myths come so close in some respects. I mean, who can't see Lucifer in Loki?

 

[renniks]

There was no "bang," it was an expansion. "Big bang" was a derisive nickname coined by a disgruntled steady-statist which caught on in the popular press. No one knows where the energy came from.

Yeah, I know there supposedly was not an actual bang.

 

[renniks]

Pssst... it's scientists that clued us into the fact there was a start.

Which moves them closer to the Biblical text than when they believed the universe had no beginning.

 

[HitchSlap]

Which moves them closer to the Biblical text than when they believed the universe had no beginning.

So you're a flat earther, at well?