Abiogenesis

[Larniavc]

Why would they do that? Most (100%) of stuff doesn't replicate.

I don’t know the mechanical processes but they do do that.

In the same way I don’t no how my phone works: but it does.

Saying 100% of things don’t replicate is trivially incorrect.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There you go!

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No. No.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don’t know the mechanical processes but they do do that.

In the same way I don’t no how my phone works: but it does.

Saying 100% of things don’t replicate is trivially incorrect.

I agree. There is a margin of error in any statistic. 100% is close enough considering the size of Cosmos......at the time I wrote this.

 

[Larniavc]

Again, can you quantify the probability with numbers; or are you just working on a hunch?

What are you talking about? It’s not a hunch. It’s not like I came up with the RNA hypotheses myself, is it?

But as I know what that is, when asked how abiogenesis happened that would be my answer. It could be wrong but it’s the best answer in have for you.

I don’t understand what part of that is difficult for you.

 

[HARK!]

Reality defines reality.

That's circular reasoning.

Whats real? Was alchemy real? Is perception real; or is it a perception of reality. How would you know whether you were perceiving reality; or if you were deceived by your perception of it? If you could be deceived by your perception of reality; how do you know that reality exists? Is reality a theoretical ideal?

You seem to make a lot of assumptions.

 

[SkyWriting]

No. No.

I'm not forcing you to consider things you've not experienced.
If you are closed to other options, that's just how you are.
People don't have the ability to learn.

 

[klutedavid]

Did you vote?

No.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That's circular reasoning.

Whats real? Was alchemy real? Is perception real; or is it a perception of reality. How would you know whether you were perceiving reality; or if you were deceived by your perception of it? If you could be deceived by your perception of reality; how do you know that reality exists? Is reality a theoretical ideal?

You seem to make a lot of assumptions.

The Bible is true because the Bible says its because the Bible is true because the Bible says its true.

So it's all right for your lot to say that and to use circular reasoning, but it's not all right for anyone else to do it?

But what does it matter anyway. It's just, like, your opinion.

 

[VirOptimus]

What is the probability? Do you have any hard numbers?

The probability of abiogenesis on earth is 1:1.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's circular reasoning.

Whats real? Was alchemy real? Is perception real; or is it a perception of reality. How would you know whether you were perceiving reality; or if you were deceived by your perception of it? If you could be deceived by your perception of reality; how do you know that reality exists? Is reality a theoretical ideal?

You seem to make a lot of assumptions.

People don't have the ability or interest to learn.
That's just how it is.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm not forcing you to consider things you've not experienced.
If you are closed to other options, that's just how you are.
People don't have the ability to learn.

Except that your premise is flawed and also requires the removal of free-will and forcing to rely heavily on fatalism and pre-determinism.

 

[Larniavc]

So you went from definitely, to probably, to probably; but I can't express the probability?

Is this science?

Please read carefully what I wrote. I said it definitely happened.

The ‘probably’ referred to the ‘how’. I’ve explained this twice, now. I’m not going to explain it a third time.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

People don't have the ability or interest to learn.
That's just how it is.

The irony of you saying that on a sub-forum where the people who rally and rage against science and evolution absolutely and categorically refuse to learn about it.
Stunning.

 

[HARK!]

What are you talking about? It’s not a hunch. It’s not like I came up with the RNA hypotheses myself, is it?

But as I know what that is, when asked how abiogenesis happened that would be my answer. It could be wrong but it’s the best answer in have for you.

I don’t understand what part of that is difficult for you.

What's difficult is that I'm asked to accept that an event took place, without any solid proof that it took place; and in the absence of even any quantifiable probability that it happened.

 

[SkyWriting]

The probability of abiogenesis on earth is 1:1.

You can't argue with success.

 

[SkyWriting]

The irony of you saying that on a sub-forum where the people who rally and rage against science and evolution absolutely and categorically refuse to learn about it.
Stunning.

It seems to me you are in the same place. Odd that.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What's difficult is that I'm asked to accept that an event took place, without any solid proof that it took place; and in the absence of even any quantifiable probability that it happened.

And now you know how some of us feel when people like you go on and on about accepting certain Biblical events that have left zero evidence as truth.

 

[muichimotsu]

I shared discussions with a microbiologist and a genetics engineer over the course of about 10 years.

She didn't believe it. She told me all kinds of problems with the notion; but I'm still open to new information.

The fact that there are problems does not give credence to a supernatural explanation that's unfalsifiable by nature. That's literally appeal to ignorance: not being able to prove a claim to your satisfaction doesn't mean it isn't able to be supported by evidence

 

[Larniavc]

I agree. There is a margin of error in any statistic. 100% is close enough considering the size of Cosmos......at the time I wrote this.

But crystals replicate, rna replicate, prions replicate. So no, 100% is incorrect.

100% is not close enough.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And you are not then? Hmmm Where are you?
Some other planet?

I am willing to learn about concepts that I actually feel are worth learning about. If you present hokum to me and expect me to want to learn it, then you're squat out of luck.

And I'm on Planet Earth.